Based on last annual report as on 31.3.21the expected eligibility ratio for retail shareholders is 17.5% . If past is any indication the expected Acceptance raio will be about 45% or thereabout.
Could you please clarify on possibility of better acceptance in HNI or retail. Guess Aniket sir mentioned at some page that MOIL HNI may be more beneficial.
Sir, I think that the precious gem ANIKET JI has expressed his opinion regarding Nucleus software that better chances of acceptance will be there in HNI category. Please check up. Thank you.
@KSRK sir I have another query. Could you please share your views
Consider i buy shares of worth more than 2 lac before record date. For example shares worth 5 lacs, can i still apply in retail with lesser quantity of shares offering in buyback i.e. < 2 lac worth.
122.3. KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA1|| Link|November 21, 2021 9:06:26 AM
Can someone check my analysis and validate. It looks like a super arbitrage opportunity.
Total shares = 29040724 Promoters = 19627866 Non promoters = 9412683 Promoters willing to tender = 107926 Total possible Tender shares = 9520609 (Non promoters+promoters willing to tender)
Non Retail buyback shares (22,67,000-3,40,050)= 19,26,950 Total potential non retail shareholders willing to tender= 41,93,609 Acceptance Possibility = 46%
46% AR is if all the non-retail is participating. In reality it should be much much higher. Current arbitrage is 18% ( buyback price= 700 CMP= 590)
Sir, I am also of the opinion that non retail investors will be rewarded with very good AR when compared with retail investors. By the way I am not well versed with the statistics. Thank you.
121.2. Sunil Rathi|| Link|November 19, 2021 8:03:15 AM
@sunil: there is nothing like apply under retail or non retail, there is no such option, we simply need to tender shares using our broker platform when buyback will open. Retail or non-retail will be decided by company based on our shares value as per record date.
@vishal: first thing is that below number are shares not shareholders. "Total potential retail shareholders= 53,27,000 "
And from where you came to know that these many shares are holded by retailer? And one more thing is that from these shares, how do you know all having less than 2 lakh category ? Many Retailers can be holding more than 2 lakh too. Retail investors in shareholding pattern doesn't mean those holding less than 2 lakhs, that is for buyback calculation only.
Hi Lokes, Yes its shareholders. I checked their declaration here: https://www.bseindia.com/corporates/shpPublicShareholder.aspx?scripcd=531209&qtrid=111.00&QtrName=September%202021
@vishal: Shareholders means person holding shares. So can you just re-think on what you are writing:
you have mentioned this in your first para : Non promoters = 9412683 (means 94 lakh shares with non promoters)
And then you mentioned: Total potential retail shareholders= 53,27,000 means 53 lakh retail shareholders, even if one person holding 2 shares then it would become more than 1 crore shares with retailers and total shares available with non promoters are only 94 lakhs which are for everyone (FII/QIB/retailers etc) so you can just think again logically now. Also you mentioned:
And even in the link which you shared , cant you see clearly what is mentioned there: For Individual share capital upto Rs. 2 Lacs : No. of shareholder : 39698 No. of fully paid up equity shares held : 5327032
From bse site: market cap is 1289 Cr, Out of which non promoter (free float) is 412 Cr. 83 Cr . Issue size reserved for retail is 12 Cr, which is just 3 % of non promoter cap. If someone has data, please shade light on % of shareholders having < 2 lakh holding.
@common man: this data of shreholders having less than 2 lakh rs shares will never come in shareholding pattern so not easy to find out how many retail investors are having less than 2 lakh rs shares and how many are having more value shares.
today is the last date to buy this share with buyback eligibility but it has given good upmove already in last 2 days so not sure how much beneficial buyback will be because size of buyback is very small here and it depends on chemical sector performance also for share performance going forward..
From 12th it may go down after buyback record date, since people may not sell tomorrow whoever bought for buyback else they can loose buyback eligibility if selling tomorrow as sometimes brokers removes shares within 1 day then on 12th record date we wont be having shares.
And Recently chemical shares were in downtrend from around 1 month.
Since record date is 27th nov (saturday) for this nucleus software, so everyone who buys till 24th nov (wednesday) are eligible to participate in buyback
@KSRK: you got mail from postal ballot result mail ? i heard that promoters will be tendering only 1.07 lakh shares....can you please check mail and confirm this. Nucleus can have very good acceptance ratio in retail and general category both then since free float is very less and buyback size is good enough. Quarterly results for this were not encouraging but still for buyback purpose, it should be a good deal.
@KSRK: ok you might have bought after 8th oct so you didnt got the mail for voting and results. @ducckyduck: the pdf/link you shared is having only results, don't have any record or detail about promoters participation in buyback. In document, it was mentioned that promoters are not participating in voting :) Whoever got mail (who were holding shares before also) , there it was mentioned- it seems as i have read comments others.
Sir, You might have read the comments in the I J Site regarding the participation of the promoter group as just now I have read the analysis of Sumit Jain ji there. I requested him to share the source. Thank you.
@KSRK: ya i read sumit comments but not on IZ , somewhere else. Anyways i have seen later his and your comments on IZ too and he seems mentioned wrongly about 15% share numbers/count of retail, that should be from total buyback size not as per total available shares etc. Anyways i will read more on this and try to understand and will inform in this forum
Kindly guide about record date for moil buyback, if i buy 100 shares today/ or tomorrow (17-11-2021 or 18-11-2021) will i be able to participate in buyback.
Also guide me what would be the buyback acceptance ratio for retail.
Though I am not a mentor, I humbly submit that you can purchase shares today or tomorrow also as the record date is yet to be announced. Acceptance ratio will be hopefully around 50% as I understand. Thank you.
The AR in non retail category is likely to be very much as I understand that only 3 promoters are participating in the buyback to the extent of tendering 108710 shares only. Hopefully a very good opportunity to grab. Thank you.
To be under retail category, one can have 1000 shares on the record date for tendering for the buyback. If you are not looking for the buyback, I humbly submit that I am not in a position to suggest/ advise regarding the target price. Thank you.
@Jigar: for retail category, as u know it has to be under 2 lakhs and that amount (no of shares eligible for retail) is calculated based on share price on record date so KSRK is just mentioning as per assumption of 200 rs price (200*1000 = 2 lakh). Buyback price is 205 rs so on record date suppose price is 201 rs then you will not come under retail category if you buy 1000 shares but if price is touching 201 on record date itself then we can sell in market also. So taking all these assumptions/thinking, KSRK suggested for 1000 shares to buy max to be under retail category.
If your financial position permits, you can buy 575 shares more to be under retail category. Acceptance rate will be more in retail category. Thank you.
Hi KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA, I am new to buybacks. till now i just particiapted in eClerx buyback only. Could you please provide some strategy on MOIL buyback? how many share do i need to buy minimum? and how many of them will be accepted? will it be profit for small retail share holders?
Sir, Moil shares can be purchased at the current market price of around Rs.176/-. Depending upon your financial position, you can purchase upto 1000 shares for each account. No conditions to purchase a particular minimum quantity. I am hopeful that not less than 50% of the shares are expected to be accepted for the buyback. Unless we believe that the deal will be a profitable one, we will not purchase n will not recommend to purchase. Please also go through all the comments of all the Buyback pages so that you can understand the topic. Thank you.
Can you please tell me when(date) will this entire buyback process will start for MOIL. Will the investors of MOIL will get notification from the company?
Sir, Once you purchase the shares, you are likely to be informed through mail regarding the record date, Entitlement Rate (ER), dates of buyback etc., However, it is advisable to go through the comments in the buyback pages to know the updates in this regard. Thank you.
It will remain catch22 situation. If it takes too much of investors time to interact and find very few useful info, they will not come here and unless they come here there will not be much useful info. Anyways..,.chittorgarh admin will decide based on what they believe will work for their website. I rest my case.
current market price - 173.75 , 4 % of your portfolio, 50% now and add till 156.00 , stop below 155.00 . hold for as per your comfort for good profit percentage.
@REK: i think he might have meant 176.5 buy price only at IZ , by mistake it might have posted as 156.5 since moil price was around/above 170 when buyback was announced so no possibility of buying at 156.5 price.
Lokesh ji, Thank you very much for your clarification. I have erroneously typed as Rs.156.50 instead of the actual amount of Rs.176.50 Inconvenience caused is very much regretted.
Nucleus Software Buyback
Based on last annual report as on 31.3.21the expected eligibility ratio for retail shareholders is 17.5% .If past is any indication the expected Acceptance raio will be about 45% or thereabout.