In todays market......no instrument is risk free. Novice investors should exercise special caution in buying specifically to tender those in buybacks. During end to end buyback duration, the stock will gyrate and it is upto the individual to decide their own entry point (if they decide to participate). No one can be sure that at what point in Buyback duration, the stock will be up and when it will be down. Comparing one stock to another for buyback and also comparing one buyback issue of the stock with the earlier issue of the same stock is no way fail proof. One should understand the potential risk and return from the issue and should take their own decision and avoid being guided by others. As no expert is really an expert.
Stock has fallen almost by 20% from the high of 310 on 16th Feb. Unless Buyback ER and subsequent AR is reasonably higher....most of the Buybackians will suffer losses... It may again prove.....No buyback offer is 100% failsafe..
Wish everyone good luck for healthy ER and AR. Happy investing.
HCL and TCS both had margin miss last quarter and HCL quarterly growth rate is higher than TCS, But still market punished HCL badly for margin miss (down 7% today) but TCS escaped unscathed. The reason is not difficult to comprehend .........Buyback which was strategically announced only few days before the result declaration.
One can expect significant price reduction post record date which should not be a problem for long term investors. I also believe that record date may be delayed deliberately by TCS management to support the stock with Buyback.
Entering into the stock just for buyback has its own issues and each one of us should take call based on their own risk profile rather than following the herd.
I believe that stock will oscillate within wider range of 3800 to 4200 before the record date.
Even without war, the TCS stock was destined to underperform its peers like Infosys & HCL Tech in the short to mid terms because of the relative business under-performance for last few quarters. News of buyback has been supporting the price so far and then the war started.
Blind buying for any corporate action doesn't work always and the new investors will do better if they are aware of the risks before following the herd and nurturing "un-realistic expectation of guaranteed gains without having any knowledge and skills." Now most of the folks will not have any options but hold and keep the money blocked for longer term or book loss & exit from the left over stocks after buyback tendering.
Buyback Mode: Tender Buy back price Rs.600 Current market price Rs.494.3 (NSE) Buy back size 14.16.667 shares (9.8% of paid-up equity share capital and free reserves) & o 2.8% of paid-up Equity Share capital Promoter's holding 71.82% Record date 21st February 2022
Buyback Mode: Tender Buy back price Rs.600 Current market price Rs.494.3 (NSE) Buy back size 14.16.667 shares (9.8% of paid-up equity share capital and free reserves) & o 2.8% of paid-up Equity Share capital Promoter's holding 71.82% Record date 21st February 2022
MOIL is a very good short term opportunity to earn minimum 5-10% in a weeks or10 days period. Remember, it is a very very high probability opportunity but not a guaranteed one.
Nucleus software did not have very good Sep'21 quarter result. Share price was supported by buyback announcement which was already announced before announcement of results.
There is the possibility of +10% share price fall just after the record date. Suggest everyone to consider this possibility and decide accordingly.
IPO Mitr, Yes, I agree with your views. Hopefully, the final AR is likely to be more in the non retail category (holding shares worth more than 2 lakhs on the Record Date). Your suggestion is also to be considered while a decision is taken in this regard. Thank you n all the best.
@Kamma sivarama krishna garu https://www.sebi.gov.in/legal/regulations/sep-2018/securities-and-exchange-board-of-india-buy-back-of-securities-regulations-2018_40327.html
As per SEBI guidelines, Small shareholders are eligible for 15% quota or as per their holding % which ever is higher.
so in this case , i think there is no difference between small( less than 2 Lakh) or bigger investors(who own more than 2 Lakh)
hope it clarifies
4.3. KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA|| Link|November 22, 2021 8:15:55 AM
Avinash garu, In case of Nucleus only, I still believe that the AR will be hopefully more in other than small shareholders category due to non participation/ negligible participation by the promoters in the buyback. Even if I am proved wrong, I wholeheartedly accept without any scope for second thought. Dhanyavaadamulu Uppalapati Vaariki.
@KSRK sir: you can try participating in nucleus buyback with two different accounts , one with retail amount and other with general category :) if you have funds for that. So it will give you chances on both sides, whichever side AR comes better.
@KSRK: so 240 shares means in retail and 355 will be probably in general category if price stays above 570 till friday, so already you will be having both. Thanks. we will have better understanding then later after buyback is done.
Speculative investment in Buybacks doesn't always work. Fundamentally, one should be very careful in investing in a company just for buyback when the recent performance of the company has not been satisfactory.
IPO Mitr ji, I wholeheartedly n completely agree with your observations. Though you have already cautioned me to be selective earlier, yet I have purchased shares of almost all the companies who declared the buyback. Though there may not be net loss, yet the already earned profit in this regard is likely to be set off against the possible loss in Star Cements, Goldiam International, Nucleus Software,……,……,……,…….,……etc., due to unexpected downfall both in the AR n CMP. Had I been attentive, the position might have been better. As long as the market conditions are good, we earned reasonably good profits. But now? It all depends upon recouping of the good market conditions where the prices of the shares bounce back. Let us wait and see with out becoming panic n loosing patience/ heart. Thank you.
We all will continue to learn from each other's experiences. I am sure we all will do well together in longer term. Our hard work will definitely prevail.
4.11. KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA2|| Link|November 30, 2021 6:49:03 AM
IPO Mitr ji, Desirable awareness of Retail Investors who are purchasing reasonably good quantity of shares for all the maximum possible accounts to tender for buyback may also be one of the reasons for the deterioration of the AR in the recent days. In addition, the pressure of selling the unaccepted shares in the market after the buyback is also very much increasing, the result of which is non sustainability of the share price. These are all may contribute significantly to the possible aversion to the Buybacks in the near future. Thank you.
Value your additional point of view.........There can be multiple line of thinking for change in stock price especially during buyback period. I really appreciate all views especially yours, considering your close and longer associations with buybacks.
Since there were discussions and recommendations for members to apply in non retail with more than 2 lacs shares in their demat accounts on record date which could be quite a substantial investment for lot of Retailers moving to Non-retail, I shared my views on risk associated with that approach and mentioned that this line of thinking can potentially backfire for a stock like Nucleus software.
I am sure each one of us will decide what is best for them based on their own situation.
KSRK ji, as per the draft letter of buyback of Nucleus software, it is clearly mentioned that the Promoter and Promoter Group have expressed their intention vide their letters dated Thursday, September 23, 2021 and Friday, September 24, 2021, to participate in the Buyback and may tender up to an aggregate maximum number of 1,08,710 Equity Shares or such lower number of shares in accordance with the provisions of the Buyback Regulations/terms of the Buyback. Hence chances of more AR in non retail quota is not feasible.
Jaiswal ji, I believe that the quantum of 1,08,710 shares is very much negligible when compared to around 18.5 lakhs available for buyback in non retail category. If i am wrong, please correct me. I don’t mind even if I am proved wrong. Thank you.
Admin: There is no point in putting separate placeholder for different Rights Issue at this juncture. No one will come here and waste their time and browse each and every Rights issue link for comments. At this moment 99% of rights issue placeholders are empty.
Suggest to keep single placeholder for all rights issue posts and if that becomes two large then every six months another placeholder may be created.
It will remain catch22 situation. If it takes too much of investors time to interact and find very few useful info, they will not come here and unless they come here there will not be much useful info. Anyways..,.chittorgarh admin will decide based on what they believe will work for their website. I rest my case.
These buyback placeholders have very few messages and navigationally it is very time consuming to go thru each and every placeholder to find useful info. Also it is very cumbersome for an admin to keep on creating separate placeholder for each and every buyback.
Suggest to create a time based ( Buyback closure date) placeholder with a start and end date and within that link first person posting can create a separate thread for each IPO. This way navigationally it will save a lot of time for the users. Later on when Buyback discussions become popular than we can revert back to the current system. Right now it is too much of work to navigate when there are very few messages/discussions in separate buyback folders.
I dont agree here, each new buyback page is good to have. Its not much work for admin and its good for site growth also to expand in multiple segments. And there are many times where ipo's wont be there (this bull year there are many) then these buyback pages will be good to have active discussions and will help in increased site visitors. And we cant wait for buyback discussions to become popular, they will never become popular if we keep doing on ipo pages, seperate pages for buyback only will make it more popular in future like investor zone now and will help chittogarh site also to increase visitors from buyback lovers too. In google search also for buyback, these chittogarh buyback pages links only coming, not some buyback discussion done on ipo pages.
lokes, probably you did not read my suggestion properly.
I am not saying doing away with separate Buyback placeholder completely. But doing away with separate placeholder for each company within Buyback.
If we want the buyback discussions to take place in buyback area of the website then we will need to reduce time for people and make navigation faster. I believe this is the reason why people still keep on commenting in IPO folder because they do not want to spend more time.
Just a thought which can lead to more discussions on buyback in buyback area of the website.............
lokes, probably you did not read my suggestion properly.
I am not saying doing away with separate Buyback placeholder completely. But doing away with separate placeholder for each company within Buyback.
If we want the buyback discussions to take place in buyback area of the website then we will need to reduce time for people and make navigation faster. I believe this is the reason why people still keep on commenting in IPO folder because they do not want to spend more time.
Just a thought which can lead to more discussions on buyback in buyback area of the website.............
@ipo mitr: i have read and already replied accordingly that having different buyback pages is good to have for each buyback. Each one is different so like ipo's it has to be different pages , and like in all other websites. People used to comment in ipo folder just because to get more attention from more people, nothing much and because previously these buyback pages were not at all active and now already some discussions started happening here. So now people need to come here and paste messages at respective place intead of again going back to old things and if many will participate here in discussions, then these will also be helpful to all users and even for chittorgarh site.