VMS Industries Ltd IPO Message Board (Page 4)

poor ipo

donot apply in this VMS ipo,becouse BRLM is ASHIKA .AND OPERATORS CAN BE SAME IN VASVANI.MEET WITH VASVANI APPLICANT (RETAIL INVESTORS).THEY HAVE BURN THERE HANDS,BROTHERS KINDLY KEEP DISTANCE

Dear Rajiv Rastogi sir,
I am sorry to disturb you again,
You have mentioned that not applied for RPOWER since we know offer was around Rs 450/-.(you might have know that Mr.Ambani has invested Rs 11.40 per share and offering the same to public at 45x)but it has been subscribed by 60 times in QIB .That is called madness power just opposite with approximate same book value offered around Rs 40/-.
but trend changed. How many of us understand about trend.
1 ).In 1992 before harshad scam market rallied --- stocks and corrected. but after restoration of market same stocks not made-up.
2).In 2000 with tech bubble market reached highest point and collapsed, next recover the market but left out 99.99% tech stocks.
3) In 2008 with market made again bubble with real estate and collapsed (unitech Rs 600/--Rs 22/-)and market recovered with new bulls brought from Auto sector and banking sector.
4).In 2016 market will collapse with ----- type of stocks in retail investor will left out in ---- stocks.

5).How the poor retail investor knows the tactics of the QIBs for next Bull Run instead of remain on the dead bulls.

6).How many of made concluded that every 8 years making cyclical bull run for last four cycles before Tsunami hitting (I don’t want to tell small up and down like petrol, inflation, RBI, results, political, etc).


Conclusion: Nobody, nobody is suggesting to invest in the great, greater and greatest and one and only Mr. nifty bees. Which is making higher top and higher bottom from since its inception in year 2000with little effort and very small homework and always having 90% of investment value due to averaging method.
We can see this is having low volumes and not recognized by any body and not suggested by any broker or analysts or anybody in the interest of retail investor for their greediness..

Seenuipo,

I appreciate the reply u had given to rajivrastogi with a small correction.In ur example which are in discount of 20 to 30% u had included Muthoot Finance and it never went discount upto 20%.

Dear seenuipo,

I or any honest advisor speaks about infosys and how it made 2000 1 crore is because infosys or sbi or reliance have set benchmark of investment and patience.

You are right there exists mushrooms of compnies once business model works but you have to figure out the real diamond from glasses. I'll give my example. I started trading as full time and inevesting as part time in 2008, Feb. It was time when everyone was going ga-ga on reliance power ipo. My father was a branch manager in Union bank, mother works in Bank of Baroda but I oped to buy Andhra bank! I researched and knew about it's wonderful result and 20% dividend coming up. Even thugh I didn't knew in those days dividend is paid on face value, I brushed aside sbi, bob or union bank or those days darling icici just because in 2008 andhra bank posted best results. My purchase price was 80. After that market crashed thanks to Junior Ambani's rpower and world economy disturbance and for next 15 months my price of 80 never came. I holded and holded that share. In between I got 2+2+5+5 didivend. In just 15 months company gave me 1/5 of my capital so no regrets. Than big upswing came in market and Andhra bank went upti 160s. I didn't sell that time too. And in between I got another dividends of 15 rs. Now it's trading at 140s, I will get another 7 rs in June as dividend. Whatever price it goes, I'll keep this forever.

Reason for above long story, do your research and don't jump into conclusion just because others are doing so. I did not invest in MOIL or PSB knowing that MOIL's 7 out of 12 mines are operative and can be closed anytime as there is no guarantee how much maganese ore will earth produce in future. Another reason is environment cases pending against MOIL. As for PSB, it has many miles to walk before making it's name. Having said this, if MOIL gets closed govt will surely keep interest of investors on priority. But if VMS gets closed who will you catch? Bottomline is, people are pouring in money for making fortunes overnight just because some xyz company gave 70% returns on listing.

Those who made money yesterdat in Aanjaneya, 90% of such people don't even know what company do. There are people who were advising to buy TECPRO but they all spelled it TECHPRO. There are people who don't even know where Career Point is situated and bidded like there is no tomorrow. People spell Punjab and Sindh bank instead of Punjab and Sind. Just because Jhunjhunwala had stake in A2Z, many jumped with money to subscribe A2Z. This is todays story, just a 4 months old shares taken for example. Same case happend during IT dream run. Who is to blamed?

I see people losing money and prescious things and blame servents, relative and even friends. but when they "by mistake" lose wallet or gold ring, they blame luck. Have you ever seen anyone blaming himself? Answer is no. And for this reason that it's about my money, honey, I spend some extra hours in research and don't just go by QIB or brokers reports.

I'm invested in Innoventive knowing that it's share is down 20%. I bought further shares at 87 just because I have faith in my research and company I have choosen. My portfolio has peculier compnies which most of you have not even heard of, they are not DLFs or JayPees or Ambanis or what that wind energy company is called, forgetting it's name... I have Bosch, Honeywell, Wyeth, Motherson, Agro tech, Sadhbhav, Andhra Bank, Satluj Jal, Phoenix, NMDC, PFC, HCL tech and a few more. These are just protfolio shares and I never see price of these shares come what may. I have faith in these companies and from 2008 till now my investments have grown 6-7 times. I will be looking to add oriental bank when it's price comes at buying levels. I should further warn readers that these stocks in my portfolio are not for buying advise as all these have grown multifold in past 2-3 years and may go down anytime as there is no surity on future so don't take it as advise of buying.

As for IB power, you stated, I was never in favour of power stock or any stock that govt controls like metals, mining, oil and power. And if you closely see all these sectors have not moved and rather are at lows even when sensex went to 21000 from 7000 in last 3 years. Power stocks, like IB or GVK or Reliance power needs time and patiences. Right time to buy these stock has not come and by the time it'll arrive, there will be stiff compition. You may ask why Satluj Jal in portfolio? I should 1st warn everyone that Satluj Jal has a fixed life and is in contract with Punjab and Himachal and recently with Bhutan. 5 years down the line there is no order for Satluj as of now and it'll die after 5 years. But in these 5 years every new project functioning will boost share price.

So to sum up, you have to do homework before putting money at stake. If you can't do that, you as in general IPO janta, stay away from market and let it be playground for those who loves to risk money. When you buy a LCD or Home or Car, you research as if you are spending your whole wealth in these items but when you subscribe in an IPO, you see QIBs, past record of IPO market ot just subscribtion numbers and don't even know what the company do!!

My dear Rastogi sir,
I respect your seniority
I observed this example of infosys or reliance or SBI from most of the senior investors. This is just like one side of the coin. but along with Infosys thousands of companies have came for public issue and got listed at high PE multiple and now they might have trading between 5 paisa to 10 paisa. like silver line traded for about Rs 1500 and low upto Rs 15/- What about those purchased at every low level.
2). If somebody say in Sikkim lottery ticket No. 25478982136 got prize money of Rs 1 crore and blaming themselves for not buying the same for just Rs10/- will be same as the example of Infosys.

3).We know very well that IB power subscribed by about 40 times in QIB portion and after 15 days when got listed went to 40% discount. Hence where are those QIB (with shoe, tie and cap)could have jump to purchase the same at40% discount.

4).Let us take new example everyone of us applied PUNJ&SIND bank 50 times and MOIL for 80 times and Muthoot for 40 times all are available at 20 t0 30 % discount why those QIB not pouring money into the stocks .

I don’t want to discourage your sincere advice sir, I be thankful for your valuable suggestions.

Warning-

After fire listing of Aanjenaya and flop of PFC, investors will be greedy to apply in VMS and Timbor.

Operators have prepared themselves to do the reverse. On the listing day for first 30 minutes, it will fall by 30-40% and all investors will sell and cry and then rally to start and max at issue price.

Be Cautious

seenuipo

Problem is these days GREED has overtaken IPO market instead of brains. Everyone apply in IPO greeding some quick returns. They forget easy money is not for always forever. Investors are shying away from IPO market and that is pretty bad for primary market.

In 1993, INFOSYS came with 95 rs ipo. It remained unsubscribed for a month. Morgan Stanley came up from USA and took 13% remaining chunk of IPO. Issue finally went through and Got listed in March 1993 at 145. Those who took risk and applied 2000 now have 1 crore still and counting as returns.

Can you guarantee such crores in acropetal or sudar or bedmutha or bs reanscom or aanjaneya or ravi kumar or sanghvi or finotex or prestige or praksah or nitesh or man infra?

If one applies in say Muthoot or PFC ot PTC or punjab sind or NHPC or PFC or NMDC or SJVN or innonventive or future ventures, there capital is safe upto extent it won't become another bedmutha/bs transcom or ravi kumar the same fate current favorites aajnyna, serva or paramount are having. You might not be knowing bedmutha had no buyers at 102 issue price and suddenly on listing people were willing to pay 180, 3 days people were throwning 250 and than lower circuit began for more than a month and it slid bedmutha to 66 from 250.

Remember if making money was so easy, everyone would close thier work and stared investing in such 30 crores worth shares and become millionare. But a common greedy investor forgets thier BAAP operators know when to buy and when to trap. You won't even notice and share will fall to levels you can only hope one day it'll come to my price and gradually see it loosing all capital. Thats why 75% of recent IPO are trading way below price and those reccomended by say Sp Tulsian or brokers are still holding ground (ashoka, tecpro, va tech, pus shares, tata steel, gppl etc.. Though it's really don't make sense to read brokers recco as they have vested interest, they atleast save your money in long term.

If something goes wrong, shares become vaswani and you guys start blaming sebi, brlms, compnies and everyone associated to shares but not yourself who put money thinking of doubling in a day. Vaswani set example on how to blame others for your own mistake. But Indian mentality of not lerning by miskate will continue.. and for as long it continues, people will kepp investing in vms and timbors and xyz.

Time to wake up, it's already a sweet morning! :-)

Seenuipo,

What you are saying is true, but be careful, some time the reverse is also reversing like omkara chemicals.

Anyway your observation is good.

Chandravadan Jani

Dear friends,
Mr.Santhonu agrees that market behaves against basic human nature.(As told by Junjunwala).
Acropetal- Nobody favour-Very good losting gains.
Sudhar - Non of us commented-Still good gains.
FCL -- All avoid(FII 0 )bumper listing still 200% gains.
Muthoot --Bundels of recomendation --Utter flop show.
PFS-- All analysts recommended (Never touched issue price).
FVL- Isse sastha kaha (SP Tulsian) 20% discount in market.
Paramount --It is operator script (experts) --Hardly touched price.
Serva laxmi - Serve laxmi dont apply (SPT expert) --doubled upto afternoon.
Innoventive --very good automobile ---(20% discount in first minute).
Sanghvi ---Dont apply because highly priced (Almost double).
PFC ---Thousends of recommendation for apply (touched 52 week low)
AAnjaneya --Nobody dared to touch application (Superb listing).

So friends what we are discussing and what for and why to loose our hard earned money from most of us (one or two may be escaped)

Conclusion : Do opposite after your conclusion.

apply for listing gain both of issue,

friends just follow me. The IPO which i donont apply ,you pleae apply for handsome gain .I didnot apply for aanjaneya ,shanghvi forging,fineotex,sudar garments ,they make investor rich
i applied for muthoot,innovative,sivalaxmi,PTC all flo show

ONE MORE SUPERHIT IPO AGAIN AFTER BEDHMUTHA AND SUDAR ... LISTING GAIN SURE...SUBSCRIPTION LOW....ALLOTMENT MORE...I WILL APPLY IT FOR 1 LOT

The average cost of acquisition of Equity Shares after considering the sales, if any, by our Promoters is as
follows:
a. Mr. Ajit Kumar Jain is Rs. 0.16 per Equity Share;
b. Mr. Manoj Kumar Jain is Rs. 0.58 per Equity Share;
c. Mrs. Sangeeta Jain is Rs. 1.41 per Equity Share.

I am agree with you.

I will not apply in both this issue.

Lets join hand.

Other who dont apply make your comment and support.

DEAR JIGARSHAH (11),

YOU ARE RIGHT. AT LEAST THOSE PERSONS WHO BELONGS TO THIS PLATFORM SHOULD BE UNITED AND DECIDED THAT WE WOULD NOT INVEST IN THESE TWO IPOs. IN THIS WAY, WE WILL TEACH THEM A LESSON THAT OUR MONEY IS A HARD EARNED MONEY.

DO NOT LET THE VASWANI LIKE COMPANIES TO COME OUT WITH AN IPO.

AVOID COMPLETELY. BOTH THE IPO

ASHIKA CAPITAL IS LEAD MANAGER IN VMS IND. THE SAME IN VASWANI

dont ask for this issue ,and dont apply

I think we should avoid this kind of IPO even for listing gain. Because our greedyness is the only weakness which makes such companies bold to enter into capital market.

Avoid such issues and teach them a lesson as we have done in GALAXY.

Ashika Capital again ?

I think Vaswani Industries has changed its name to VMS and came again to picture :)

NII- > 15 times on the closing day, 0.5 times on the date of allotment

What do these VMS guys do incidentally? No synergy or strategy. Looks like they take anything that pays them some money: Maybe, IPO is another way to get some money. :-)