@DeepakYadav Though, it is not any buy or sell recommendation, if I was in your position, would have exited with whatever small gains available presently. CMP is above the holding price. Look for other better opportunities. I reiterate, kindly evaluate the entire scenario yourself as per risk/reward appetite before making any move. Best Wishes 👍
@Chalak Lomdi@Tejas Pandya@Seth.@KING VINOD@MuStrFc Can the FPO shares allotted for zerodha/upstox be sold in pre market? At 9:07AM? or we will be able to trade directly at 10:00 AM. I have mailed both the brokers but no response as of now..
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April 15, 2024 10:06:42 PM
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@Nasibvala Since shares are already listed, 9 to 9:15 am is pre-open time and after that normal trade begins. No need to wait till 10 am
@Nasibvala Pre open session will be between 9.00 to 9.07..you can sell between that that time if you want to sell in pre open..I am using zerodha and I am able to sell it ..
serch karlo ruchi soya FPO me upstock ne 2 din tak bechne ko nahi diya tha... usko ata hi nahi tha isko kese merge karte he !!! reason dete he technical issue... LOL even agnel one ne 10.45 AM tak nahi bechne diya tha , samco ne bhi 10 am ke bad bechne diya tha, local broker to halke he bol diya ukhd lo jo ukhadna he... to pahele apne broker se confirm kar lena...
aur jese kisi ipo me UC lage to naffa broker le jate he usi tarah LC lagne pe loss bhi broker ka hi hoga... bol dena broker ko bindass...
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April 16, 2024 10:22:30 AM
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@Chalak Lomdi Any such case with zerodha, thay you are aware of ?
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April 16, 2024 10:46:34 AM
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Very good question.
Grey guys will consider preopen price. And you will face loss.
Yes lower circuit pe lower circuit unlimited loss.
@Aman Soni Zerodha and Upstox allows at pre opening i.e. from 9.00 am to 9.07 (regular mkt) am.. and from 9 to 9.45 am for IPO listings But Groww doesnt allow at pre opening... I sent email to Groww support for the same query they replied we will forward your feedback to our concerned team..
For 2 times Groww (dont know How !!) allow me to sell at pre opening in main board ipo.. sometimes only @ 10 am.. but for daily mkt orders Groww Dont allow pre open order.. Thats why I opened my family members ac in Upstox yesterday only for VI fpo..
Correct me if i m wrong for Groww 🙏👍🙌
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April 16, 2024 11:36:44 AM
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As far as i know, groww takes order after pre open settlement, i.e 9:08 to 9:14 am. And they settle trade exactly at 9:15 am in market session. Kind of gtt order i believe. Its better that you use other broker if applying in VI fpo
Zerodha users plz confirm if any one had sold during RUCHI SOYA or YESBANK FPOs at pre open since this is FPO..we have to put orders between 9 am to 9.07 am. 🙏 As @Chalak Lomdi said upstox had some problem..this time also if they don't allow to sell b4 9.15 or 10.. users may incur heavy losses 😞
@🎁 Just For IPO 🔔 I do not use Zerodha, so, cannot say anything about it. पण जसं छोटे लाल भाऊ आणि smile भाऊ म्हणाले तसं काही प्रॉब्लेम येणार नाही..
शुभ रामनवमी..🙏🙏
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April 17, 2024 8:19:41 AM
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Some brokers haven't done home work for FPO listing and ultimately their users have to face issues. Major issues are related with ISIN code discrepancy. If in FPO also, they come up with different ISIN code for the fresh allottee, than some broker couldn't finalised the merging logic, which results in to confusion at their end and because of the same, deal couldn't finalised. For the same, if multiple users will raise the query with the broker than, it might happen that they will be forced to do their homework in well advanced because of which SH don't have to face issues on FPO listing.
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April 17, 2024 8:26:21 AM
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@Dhanvan manas In Bharti Hexacom, I was assuming that Groww wasn't allowing the user to place pre open order. But, after 9.45, it was allowed. However, those who deals in grey has to place order b4 9.43, and in this, Groww has worst facility. BSE SME IPO restrictions and Pre open restrictions are worst facility by grow and surprisingly they are not changing anything even after multiple complaint. Customer care Wale dhadam se sorry bol de te he... Abhi nahi develop Kiya... !!
In case of ruchi soya FPO ( FPO preopen time 9.00 am to 9.07 am ) 1. Angel allowed 10.45 am ( technical error lol ) 2. Upstox 2 din baad 🫵😁 3. Hdfc securities perfect time 4. Zerodha perfect time 5. Local broker marvadi around 9.20 am around 6.local broker zaveri may be on time or 10 15 min late . . . 7. Samco allowed after 10.00 am Fir esa naa ho ke aap log broker ko 14 rs. Pe settle karo hisab aur jab bechne jao tab 13 rs . Ho .. samje !! To apne brokaro ko puchho, aur jyada tar ho to unko hi maal becho.
159.1. Seth.| Link| Bookmark|
April 15, 2024 4:55:02 PM
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Nope but it will be easiest allotment in Retail quota don't worry you will get your desired quantity. Even SHNI could be 1x maximum or less in bad sentiments.
@Seth. Thanks for the response, I am planning to Apply with retail quota of 15K lot. Could you help me out with some suggestion to apply the ipo or not? Note: I am looking for listing Gains. Not for long term.
@Sandeep Konchada While probability of allotment appears high in this FPO, no one can tell how profitable it will turn out to be. Please assess risks and rewards scenarios yourself before investing.
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April 15, 2024 9:25:28 PM
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@Sandeep Konchada I'm going to hedge 50% in gray if rates stay same and 50% open as listing gain is unpredictable but in 1-2 yeas it could give good returns if condition improves of Vodafone.
@GJ Eighteen And all other who have connection with grey broker.. What's reason behind 2 subject to ?? And what was the terms and conditions before closing in subject 2?
I think, SUB 1 is rate of Application While SUB2 is rate of Subject To. First time I see rate of Subject To, till now I get application rate only.
This is my assumption because till date I got message as follow. Vodafone 10 L +\- 25500 Vodafone 2 L +\- 9500 Vodafone MINI 1500
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April 15, 2024 6:30:56 PM
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The punters are expecting that SHNI portion will be subscribed fully and RII portion will be quite empty. Because of the same, they might have to apply for some lesser lot in Retail category in which it will be sure shot allotment (13 lot). So, here, SHNI and BHNI Sub2 rates are different, considering that probability.
In retail what is the process of allotment ?? If any one applied will get fix 14 lot or he can get 7 or 9 lot also based on proportion???
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April 15, 2024 7:18:09 PM
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@Tejas Pandya Grey deals completed on Preopen Price (i.e) 9.07 Price but shares available to trade at 10 only. If the Lower circuit continues for a couple of days retail is unable to sell the shares like SME companies. I remember Yes Bank FPO many people used SLB route to short-sell the shares and cover shares later. Yes Bank don't have many shares available at time of FPO (Locked 1/3 rd shares and less free float ) only FPO shares were available in the Market but Vodafone already huge float of shares there what will happen on listing day? Any suggestions?
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April 15, 2024 9:23:11 PM
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@CSK If any existing investor is thinking that listing will be at Rs. 10 then he would clean out one day before listing and rebuy same 2ndly many people have loss aversion. If they have not sold at Rs. 12 then they are unlikely to sell at Rs. 10
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April 15, 2024 9:24:26 PM
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@CSK LC is unlikely in this script even at 10% range
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April 16, 2024 1:41:17 PM
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@Tejas Pandya Sub 1 is fix rate as far as I know . Is it matalia?
Subscription is going higher then expected because so many people already selling application in grey market I mean it's huge. GMP is 1.70 before listing I think price crossed 14 rs intersting to see tomorrow action because it's out of Fno ban. I am applying with full force with my 25 accounts
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April 15, 2024 9:06:48 PM
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Applying open or hedging by selling in the gray market or FNO?
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April 15, 2024 8:25:11 PM
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As ISIN for this allotment will be similar to existing stock the preopen period may be 8 30 to 9 AM or 9 15 AM. At 9 15 AM you can deliver old or newly allotted stock Frankly any one holding old stock can also participate in pre open
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April 15, 2024 8:50:50 PM
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9:00 to 9:07 am order collection: Don't wait till 9.08 as order collection window can close at any time between 9:07 AM and 9:08 AM.
9:08 to 9:12 am: Order Matching Session From 9:15 am: Normal trading
This will be the most exciting issue of 2024. With big size, the allotment quantity will be huge (for most of bHNI applicants). Get ready for a roller coaster ride !!!
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April 15, 2024 7:05:27 PM
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Cmp shows optimism from market participants and managing the price is not possible due to high liquidity. while members here are hedging since it will be 100% sure shot allotment and nobody wants to be on a wrong foot Lets review on last day.
@montu parashar I agree with what our friend @Silent lion mentioned that in current scenario, it is rather difficult to estimate. However, going by Yes Bank FPO experience where QIB portion subscribed 1.9 times, one may guess that it will be about 2 times or so here too. Let's wait and watch.
@Tejas Pandya भाई आप गुजराती लोग तो ढूँढ ही लोगे.. कोई न कोई.. लेकिन हम दिल्ली वाले क्या करें.. कहीं नजर ही नहीं आता ग्रे का बाजार !!
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April 15, 2024 6:54:21 PM
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@Tejas Pandya haha! Sir, bharti me nahi dhoondhe the.. total open rakhi thi sab applications. Yeh Vodafone itna bharose laayak lag nahi raha.. Aur kal FNO ban se bahar aa jaata hai to nahi sell karenge grey me.. 😉
FPO of VODAFONE IDEA is on cards. In my opinion it is better to see the facts and figures of such a FPO of Yes Bank in July 20. The post is likely to be longer, I may please be excused. Yes Bank came with FPO in July 2020 for 15k crs. in size. FV was 2/- and price band was 12-13. The condition of the Bank was very well known to the investors. But the Bank was in loss for fy20. In earlier two years it was not in loss. Looking into that time conditions the FPO could not get response from Retailers and NII. Bothe the portion was under subscribed. Retail 0.47x , NII 0.63x and die to the grace of QIB1.90x and total 0.93x, the FPO was sail through. In such conditions the shares were issued at 12/- a piece, the lower price of the price bsnd. Now listing is concerned listed, high, low all at 12.30 on BSE.
When we see the figures of VI, the issue size 16k crs. a bit bigger than Yes Bank. Financial front, very very bad in comparison. FV is 10/- and price band is 10-11. All the past three years big losses. Price just like at par or bit higher.
The market conditions at present looking bad. A fall of about 800 pts. followed by 850 pts. on BSE. A dip of about 475 on Dow Jones a bigger loss on Friday than India. Mid and Small cap shares were not affected badly on Friday. This was a fall of all time high on Tuesday. Factors in short behind this fall were: 1. Pressure from FPIs. 2. US Inflation. 3. US Bond yield. 4. Valuation stress in India. 5. Profit booking. 6. Rising commodity prices.
It is observed in fall, there may be following points in Short : 1. Iran-Israel war. 2. Weal Global market. 3. Rise in US Dollar rates. 4. Soaring crude oil prices. 5. FII selling.
All the above factors are as per available news.
In these circumstances coming days will be very important for taking decision whether to apply or not, specially for retail investors. For big HNI members they know what to do. Whether to apply for listing gains or medium/long term investment, the decision should only be personal. Never come under the influence of any one. Your own decision only and only, in my views.
Conclusive sentence :
**LOVE THE SHARE MARKET, BUT NEVER FALL IN LOVE**
Thanks and all the best to all. Please ignore my mistake if any.
Please read two lines as under : This was a fall after all time high on Tuesday. *(In Yes Bank) In VI it is *offer price just at par or bit higher*. Thanks.
@PKRAJ Thanks for sharing your views. Just a small typo correction - Size of VI FPO is 18K Cr and not 16K Cr. Markets are bit jittery for various factors as you pointed out. Going forward, let us see what response this FPO gets in coming days.
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April 15, 2024 3:55:02 PM
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Experts, Can you guide on the expected subscription times in BHNI and SHNI?
Of the total FPO proceeds, the telco proposes to use Rs 12,750 crore to purchase equipment for expanding its network infrastructure by setting up new 4G sites, expanding the capacity of existing 4G sites, and setting up new 5G sites, as per the RHP. The telco will spend Rs 5,720 crore of the Rs 12,750 crore earmarked for network expansion on setting up its 5G network. In FY25, it plans to set up 10,000 new 5G sites with a spend of Rs 2,600 crore, and in FY26, it will set up 12,000 5G sites with a spend of Rs 3,120 crore. Source : money control
GMP new high 1.65🔥
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April 15, 2024 3:50:34 PM
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Of the total FPO proceeds, the telco proposes to use Rs 12,750 crore to purchase equipment for expanding its network infrastructure by setting up new 4G sites, expanding the capacity of existing 4G sites, and setting up new 5G sites, as per the RHP. The telco will spend Rs 5,720 crore of the Rs 12,750 crore earmarked for network expansion on setting up its 5G network. In FY25, it plans to set up 10,000 new 5G sites with a spend of Rs 2,600 crore, and in FY26, it will set up 12,000 5G sites with a spend of Rs 3,120 crore. Source : money control
If everything goes according to the plan of management then it can reclaim it's postion in future , let's see how much anchor shows the confidence in Vodafone.
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April 17, 2024 11:46:10 PM
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Good read on future strategy of management :
Vodafone Idea will engage with lenders more seriously once FPO funding is in, says CEO
@newgen consultancy and other senior member Plz clarify if retail do not subscribe fully then we will get FPO at lower price at Rs.10. Is it possible?