Dear @Chotiwala, What should we say about this IPO as the pricing has left us gasping for breath. Let's just say that we don't like to be termed foolish to knowingly fall into a trap. We see no value in this company or the brand and don't see it as a creator of wealth. The chances of the opposite happening are pretty high though. Hence, we would not be participating in this jamboree no matter how big, small, or tall the anchors or subscription numbers are.
Irrespective of high valuations deterring many Retail Investors, if subscription from QIBs and NIIs is strong on final day by 2 pm, then GMP may also jump to reasonable levels. Let us wait and see. Anchor Book receiving good support from MFs, SBI, Kotak, Axis, ICICI, Sundaram ...and some more is a little surprising.
104.1. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
February 6, 2022 8:42:57 PM
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Anchor book of Paytm, Star Health, CarTrade, AGS etc was impressive as well. No upside left on table for upcoming investors just downside.
Hmm they have started ads in radio about IPO reservation for policy holders. On one side, income from listing and on the other, income from extra policies.
Why so much hype of LIC ipo it is going to be flop as there is too much supply and very less demand and everyone knows how IPO market works
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February 5, 2022 8:44:03 PM
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Smart Investors are least interested in LIC IPO. If valuation will be reasonable and market sentiment positive then we can board for quick profit. Big size IPO never excited me.
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February 5, 2022 8:11:12 PM
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My take on the issue. Highly expensive issue for a FV 1 stock. But it may surprise us on the upside being a niche player and no listed peers. Risk takers can take chance. However, let us see the QIB figures.
Vedant Fashions on February 3 has mobilised Rs 944.75 crore from 75 anchor investors, ahead of its initial public offering launch
Marquee investors participated in the offer includes Government of Singapore, Monetary Authority of Singapore, Fidelity Securities, Nomura, Wellington Trust Company, Ashoka India Opportunities Fund, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, Amundi Funds, Carmignac Portfolio, Eastspring Investments, Pinebridge Global Funds, Volrado Venture, Elara India Opportunities Fund, Morgan Stanley, Societe Generale and BNP Paribas Arbitrage. SBI Mutual Fund, Axis Mutual Fund, Kotak Mutual Fund, ICICI Prudential, Aditya Birla Sun Life, ICICI Prudential Life Insurance, HDFC Life Insurance, DSP MF, UTI MF, Sundaram MF, IDFC MF, Motilal Oswal MF, ITPL Invesco, Canara Robeco MF, Edelweiss MF, Bajaj Allianz Life Insurance, Kotak Mahindra Life Insurance and Bharti Axa Life Insurance also invested in the company through anchor book.
It seems that companies coming up with issues have taken the investor for granted. Considering the frenzy in primary market and recent recent subscriptions they are coming with high valuations. Investors need to discard such issues to teach these IPOs a good lesson.
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February 5, 2022 12:01:37 PM
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Risk is of thousands and reward of hundreds. We have to decide accordingly.
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February 4, 2022 6:00:39 PM
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not applying in this highly overvalued(high P/E) Although i have to say brand is solid, almost everyone knows about it and even though expensive people( even middle class) do buy from them( wedding) as wedding is considered as a once in a lifetime event and people splurge at that time.
Maybe if it lists in a discount, I will think about buying this. certainly not at this valuation
P.S : listing gain may happen because of small size but i believe it's better safe than sorry, we shouldn't invest in an IPO just for the sake of investing
had applied in Fortune(4 lots), took a small risk as i found the valuation alright, let's see if it gives 25-30% profit or results in mild losses
I invested in CMS( same logic) and got 25% returns( Holding 1 lot and sold 2)
96.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
February 5, 2022 9:18:40 AM
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Ethnic wear business is in danger because of myntra. People buy ethnic wear from myntra to attend marriage function , party function and return back within stipulated time. In this manner they buy new clothes for free :) 😆🆓
Sir with all due respect I would like to say myntra also maximum sellers in this category is Manyavar and I recently visited stores of Zara, Manyavar when covid at peaks shocked to see the demand on ethnic wear I am not affecting just sharing my view it might be hidden gem.
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February 4, 2022 4:21:14 PM
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Barbique nation IPO i heard same stories. 1. Promotors allotted shares low price and IPO they asking higher price. 2nd Theory. Covid period and high valuvation. 3rd theory. Better opportunities in seconday market. I listen above comments i didn apply. But share listed good premium and doubled in no time. Now people saying it was a multibegger. Same stories apply to this IPO also. Please suggest what i do.
93.1. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
February 4, 2022 5:20:23 PM
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Barbeque nation IPO was not pure OFS. It was small size IPO of 452 crores out of which 180 crores was Fresh issue. Small size IPO usually perform better post listing. Whole QSR/Food theme perform better so it also joined the party. Manyavar is pure OFS of approx 3000 crore issue size which make remember of CarTrade 🥺
For me higher PE doesn't matter if it has proven moat. Barbeque nation is unique product I personally experienced. We can't be experts in every domain. Look for previous track record of company params like Cagr of sales profit and margins in last 3 to 5 years along with roe and rice.
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February 16, 2022 8:49:08 AM
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As i belong in this field of ethnic wear I would say this please avoid this ipo since this market has not one sided business There are companies which are even bigger than Manyawar throughout India. And they dont need to launch their ipo.So not a bright future for this company. So I am out.
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February 2, 2022 9:14:49 AM
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In vedant fashion PE investor( Kedara Capital) invested in August 2017 at Rs 166 per share and now want to completely exit at 866 getting 5.22 times return in 4.5 years in which there was loss of business and revenue in 2 years due to Covid. Few positive things I can see are: 1. Very high margin business having EBITDA ratio of 40-45% and Net margin of 30%. 2. Well known brand name in niche segment i.e Ethnic wear and india is full of festival and marriages. 3. Debt free company. But company has factored in every positive in its price leaving nothing on table for investors in IPO.
The worst example of NMDC is as under: March'10 IPO @ Rs 285/ -. Buyback at lower price many times. Last Buyback Nov.20 @ Rs 105/-. FPO July 21 @Rs 165/-. Today's price Rs 152.70. Hope people in Share Market from last 15 years or so will remember this. Dividends, no doubt good. But investment? No bonus by NMDC any time. This is PSU you all are aware. What's about long-term investors.
One of the best PSU is Power Grid. Issue price, FPO price, dividend and bonus and Today's market price. Difficult to explain about all.
Happy investing.
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February 3, 2022 12:27:55 PM
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@PKRAJ In stock market you can not go to sleep. You need to be alert to environment. Obviously NMDC business model is more risky than Powergrid. NMDC highest price point was Rs 500 plus. Long term investor does not mean than you buy and forget about it. you may not watch every day but you must watch once a month or a quarter Who said investing is easy?
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February 3, 2022 3:28:21 PM
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@PKRAJ, arunARUN,
19-May-2009 Airtel Price is 351 19-May-2019 Airtel Prices is 328
No Meaning full dividend and nothing from Company. Compared to this still NMDC is gold to me.
@arunAruN I understand share market, may be not more than you. Cheating by Govt. Buyback at Rs 105 and FPO at Rs 165 after 6 months. I have Solar Industries IPO allotment of 2007 and Mindtree IPO OF 2008. . Can you tell me the month and year when NMDC was at Rs 500. after March 2010. People believing in NMDC is great.
@CSK, Price of Airtel is not about half but a difference of Rs 20 or Rs 30 after ten years. Not about halfway. As you believe in NMDC, I had also believed in the same. I know that Share Market is not a piece of cake. Even biggies are not correct for themselves at all time. When luck favors everything goes well. Market has gone where from where in last ten years.
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February 3, 2022 4:37:34 PM
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@PKRAJ- I Bought NMDC 2012 around 171. As per my excel dividend yield is 75 rupees till now. I burned my fingers in JP Associates, Great Offshore, ABAN Offshore, Amtek Auto, DHFL. Compare with the above stocks still I am okay with NDMC.
@CSK It's great that you entered in NMDC at very good price but will you please be kind enough to tell me whether NMDC has touched Rs 500. This is for my knowledge. This price has said by arunArun. Nobody is winner at all time. There are many scrips where I am a looser. Even in CPSEETF, I am a winner. Still holding. Great reading your views.
In stock market, you purchase 10 stocks, few turns our to be multi baggers and few wealth destroyers.. those who get good strike rate of multi baggers most of the time become super rich.. but % of those being successful is very very less...
@arunARUN, I never advise nor suggest any thing because not capable. I never sleep more than required. But always keeping myself busy in Share Market withother activities. It's not my business or earning for meals. Just to know about Industries, their products and our economy. I never use words like sleeping or other on public platforms. I don't know how old are you and not even interested in it. In my opinion one should use proper words in public platforms. I have read many posts of yours and happy to read, even useful. I don't need tobe Guru or advisor. But if you can reply my request about NMDC crosed Rs 500/-. Regarding NMDC I had shared my experience. Have a nice time.
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February 4, 2022 8:52:33 PM
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@pkraj Providing share price link for NMDC. Please click on maximum period to see when it crossed Rs 500 level in year 2010 https://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/miningminerals/nmdc/NMD02 https://www.google.com/search?q=nmdc+share+price&rlz=1C1GCEU_enIN908IN908&oq=nmdc&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i131i199i433i465i512j35i39j0i433i512j0i131i433i512j69i60l3.4033j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 2ndly i seems to have offended you without any intention. So I am sorry for hurting your feelings My comment was limited to strategy of buy and forget adopted by some investor calling it long term investment. Reason for forgetting may be many. Mostly it is unwillingness to book loss at right time
@arunARUN Thanks for your reply. It never crossed Rs 500 after IPO/FPO. I have already checked it. It was before the issue. Ok it's over. No further discussion on NMDC. Gone are the days. Good night.