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339. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:21:55 PM
VA TECH like SKS, listing on 1550 and in 1 week it will touch 1800-1900. apply in a full force.
338. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:12:01 PM
DHO DHO KE PATKEGA. 1310 SE SEEDHE 310 PAYEGA.
337. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:08:44 PM
343 AK JAIN

so you believe in greater fool theory & are confident of finding a greater foll than your self.

BEST OF LUCK TO YOU BUT WHAT IF YOU ARE THE LAST FOOL

REMEMBER INDIABULLS POWER, DB REALTY
336. RUPAHWA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:01:12 PM
SINCE IWANT TO APPLY 3 FULL APPLICATION IWISH THAT I GET DETAILED ANALYSIS BY REVERED SJ.ANYONE PL POST THE SAME AT rkat theratepahwadotnet.THANKS
335. ak jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 2:52:33 PM
it is a good ipo for lisiting gain as well for bull market also listing will arround 1600 and easily go to the level of 1800 in 10days time as like sks book part profit on listing and part on 1800
dont worry about the expert expensive story in bull market expensive share is traded at more expensive rate market will go up from here to 6200 6300 level and trade in the range of 6200-6500 upto march
334. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 2:48:22 PM
@340---u r correct dear..........yahan to sabhi bhains ki size dekh ke use badhiya bata rahe hai..........
akal ka koi istemaal nahi hai........

bahut badhiya kavita hai
333. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 2:26:33 PM
SABKO KOOT DEGA. KOOT KOOT KE PATKEGA.
332. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 1:37:53 PM
Page 96 of the RHP, which states the basis for issue price, has compared the company with other listed players, including IVRCL Infra and Nagarjuna Constructions. This comparison is erroneous and mis-leading as it has a footnote that the figures are on consolidated basis, where infact, standalone numbers of peers have been stated. The company and merchant bankers cannot get away with such wrong deeds by quoting a private publication, atleast not in the offer document!

There needs to be an apple to apple comparison. IVRCL Infra’s consolidated revenue for FY10 Rs. 5,830 crores with PAT at Rs. 215 crores, on equity base of Rs.53.40 crores,translating into an EPS of Rs.8.05. This leads to a PE multiple of 21 times for IVRCL (in place of 63.2 stated in RHP) based on CMP of 167. On the other hand, Nagarjuna Constructions’ consol revenue, PAT and EPS are Rs. 5,897 crore, Rs.282 crores and Rs. 11 on equity base of Rs. 51 crores, respectively, leading to PE multiple of less than 15 times, as against the stated PE of 19.2 times.

Even on price to book basis, stock of this company looks more expensive when compared to the two larger peers, with revenues of both by about 5 times, of the company. Nagarjuna Construction having BV of Rs.90 is ruling at a PBV of 1.8 times, while IVRCL having book value of Rs.101 is ruling at a PBV of 1.6 times, after adjusting of its 80.5% stake held in IVRCL Assets.

Even at the lower end of the price band, the issue seems expensive. Considering the recent transfer of shares, mere exit route for PE investors, lack of significant business upside in near future, cash in hand of the company, as well as peer comparison, the issue is a clear avoid.
331. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 1:32:30 PM
to 332 anonymous this reply is fr u yaar.

evertything is said n done while giving facts bout compnay n the eps compare to other caompanis lakin tera yeh fanda witout brain ka hai tht Va tech wabang can go to 700 or 800 may b more bt electrosteel will go to 7 or 8 aare bhai mere va tech wabang main u will gt 5 to 10 shares if it goes to 700 to 800 toh 4 se 5,500 ka loss hota hai same thing in electrosteel main bhi hai na yaar..we r getting arrnd 1500 shares 3 to 4 rs down hua toh kitna huaa calculate kar yaar..proper reason hai avoid ka toh fin we can read n if its gud then we will Appreciate bt yeh funda witout head n leg waala maath laga if market is bad then all the ipo will tank if it is gud then all will earn arrnd 20% yaar..


SIMPLE HAI DIKAWO PER MAATH JAO AAPNI AKAL LADAO...
330. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 1:20:21 PM
jhak mar kar va tech me QIB NE SUB KIYA HAI KYA BHAI SAHAB
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329. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 1:09:52 PM
REMEMBER ANCHOR INVESTORS ARE PLAYING WITH OTHERS MONEY WHERE WE RETAIL INVESTORS HAVE OUR OWN HARE EARNED MONEY TO INVEST. GOOD PARTICIPATIONS FROM ANCHOR INVESTORS MEAN NOTHING. REMEMBER INDIABULLS POWER & DB REALTY HAD GOOD PARTICIPATION FROM ANCHOR INVESTORS & QIB BUT PRICE IS STILL DOWN 50 % FROM IPO PRICE.

The company likes to call itself a technology company, owning 157 process and product patents. However, its EBITDA and PAT margins are below average at 9.9% and 4% respectively, which does not reflect the ‘technology edge’ the company claims to enjoy. The PAT margin would have been lower, had the company been debt-laden, like most of the companies in the sector. Its debt-free status has somewhat helped keep the PAT margins to the present levels.
328. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 1:04:33 PM
For FY10, on revenues of Rs. 1,224 crore, the company has outstanding debtors of Rs. 635 crore, as on 31st March 2010, representing a collection period of 190 days. Even if we buy the argument that about 40% of revenues are generated in the fourth quarter, still a debtors balance representing over 6 months sales is very high, compared to the industry standards. Going forward, the company is estimating debtor days of 215 days, which itself is on the higher side.

Even on the business front, the company does not provide much comfort. Order book, as on 30th June 2010, was Rs. 2,778 crore, comprising 88% of municipal clients and balance industrial clients. Also, it has large dependence on few clients as 66% of revenues in FY10 came from top 5 clients, while 82% of order book as on 31st March 2010, are from top 5 clients.
327. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 12:58:33 PM
BROTHERS 1300 RS SHARE IN BEAR MARKET CAN COME DOWN EASILY TO 1100-900-700 BUT RS 10 SHARE LIKE ELECTROSTEEL CN GO TO 7-8 RS ONLY . HENCE VATECH IS AN EXTREMELY RISKY SHARE FOR RISKY INVESTORS ONLY

VA Tech? No way! PREMIUM INVESTMENT SAYS

VA Tech Wabag has entered the primary market on 22nd September 2010, with a fresh issue of Rs. 125 crore and offer for sale of 26.53 lakh equity shares of Rs. 5 each, both, in the price band of Rs. 1,230 to 1,310 per share. The company will make a fresh issue of 9.5 to 10.2 lakh equity shares, while the offer for sale will range between Rs. 326 to 348 crore, depending on the price discovered. The issue closes on 24th September for QIB bidders and on 27th September for HNI and retail category.

A water solution provider with presence in emerging markets of India, Middle East, North Africa, Central and East Europe, China, South East Asia, VA Tech Wabag has executed 113 projects and is currently executing 81 projects, as of 31st July 2010. Overseas operations accounted for 55% of FY10 revenues.

The company was acquired from Siemens through a management buy-out (MBO) in September 2005 by its 4 existing promoters, along with the support of PE investor ICICI Ventures. Present promoters’ shareholding is very low at 34.34%, which will get reduced to 31.77% (assuming book to get discovered at upper end of price band) post-issue.

In the IPO, 35% of the fully diluted post-issue capital of the company is being offered to the public (at upper price band). About 73.6% of this comprises of offer for sale, by 5 funds (3 PE investors). It seems that the IPO is more an exit route for PE investors, wherein 2 funds (invested since 2007-08) are making a complete exit, while ICICI Ventures is making a part-exit from the company.

The fresh fund infusion will not augment the company’s financials significantly. Only Rs. 125 crore will flow into the company’s books, which are to be used to fund working capital of Rs. 65 crore, to implement IT systems at a cost of Rs. 11 crore and to build a corporate office at Chennai worth Rs. 35 crore. It is silly that the company has to tap the investors for building a fancy head-office, when it already has cash and bank balance of Rs. 219 crore, as on 31st March 2010. The company’s claim of using the present cash surplus for strategic needs appears a mere eye-wash.

The promoters claim that they are not selling a single share in the IPO. However, page 85-86 of the RHP states that between 20th to 24th August 2010, the 4 promoters, employees and existing PE investors have, in aggregate, already sold 10.2% stake in the company to a couple of funds and to their merchant bankers Enam and IDFC, at Rs. 1,231.55 per share (close to lower end of price band) for cash. This transaction, just a month before IPO opening, shows the confidence (or lack of it) and the vested interest of all the parties involved - the 4 individual promoters (having average cost price ranging between Rs. 3.14 to Rs. 11.72 per share), company’s employees (whose effective cost of shares is about Rs. 82.4 under ESOPs), existing PE investors as well as the merchant bankers.

The company likes to call itself a technology company, owning 157 process and product patents. However, its EBITDA and PAT margins are below average at 9.9% and 4% respectively, which does not reflect the ‘technology edge’ the company claims to enjoy. The PAT margin would have been lower, had the company been debt-laden, like most of the companies in the sector. Its debt-free status has somewhat helped keep the PAT margins to the present levels.

For FY10, on revenues of Rs. 1,224 crore, the company has outstanding debtors of Rs. 635 crore, as on 31st March 2010, representing a collection period of 190 days. Even if we buy the argument that about 40% of revenues are generated in the fourth quarter, still a debtors balance representing over 6 months sales is very high, compared to the industry standards. Going forward, the company is estimating debtor days of 215 days, which itself is on the higher side.

Even on the business front, the company does not provide much comfort. Order book, as on 30th June 2010, was Rs. 2,778 crore, comprising 88% of municipal clients and balance industrial clients. Also, it has large dependence on few clients as 66% of revenues in FY10 came from top 5 clients, while 82% of order book as on 31st March 2010, are from top 5 clients.

At the upper and lower end of the price band and considering FY10 EPS of Rs. 52.34 per share, the company is issuing shares at PE multiples of 23.5 times and 25 times respectively. The PBV multiple is 2.9 and 3.1 respectively on pre-money basis, and 2.4 and 2.6 respectively on post-money basis.

Page 96 of the RHP, which states the basis for issue price, has compared the company with other listed players, including IVRCL Infra and Nagarjuna Constructions. This comparison is erroneous and mis-leading as it has a footnote that the figures are on consolidated basis, where infact, standalone numbers of peers have been stated. The company and merchant bankers cannot get away with such wrong deeds by quoting a private publication, atleast not in the offer document!

There needs to be an apple to apple comparison. IVRCL Infra’s consolidated revenue for FY10 Rs. 5,830 crores with PAT at Rs. 215 crores, on equity base of Rs.53.40 crores,translating into an EPS of Rs.8.05. This leads to a PE multiple of 21 times for IVRCL (in place of 63.2 stated in RHP) based on CMP of 167. On the other hand, Nagarjuna Constructions’ consol revenue, PAT and EPS are Rs. 5,897 crore, Rs.282 crores and Rs. 11 on equity base of Rs. 51 crores, respectively, leading to PE multiple of less than 15 times, as against the stated PE of 19.2 times.

Even on price to book basis, stock of this company looks more expensive when compared to the two larger peers, with revenues of both by about 5 times, of the company. Nagarjuna Construction having BV of Rs.90 is ruling at a PBV of 1.8 times, while IVRCL having book value of Rs.101 is ruling at a PBV of 1.6 times, after adjusting of its 80.5% stake held in IVRCL Assets.

Even at the lower end of the price band, the issue seems expensive. Considering the recent transfer of shares, mere exit route for PE investors, lack of significant business upside in near future, cash in hand of the company, as well as peer comparison, the issue is a clear avoid.

326. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 12:06:01 PM
RS. 5 PAID UP AND A PRICE OF RS. 1310.

EVEN IF IT LISTS AT RS. 1500 THEN THE PROFIT WILL BE 190 PER SHARE. IF YOU GET 10 SHARES U EARN 1900. BUT IF AT ALL IT LIST AT RS. 1000 U WILL LOOSE 310 AND A LOSS OF 3100 PER APPLICATION.

CLEAR AVOID.

BETTRE GO FOR OTHERS WHERE LESS ALLOTMENT AND HIGH PREMIUM.
325. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 12:04:06 PM
DEAR TSGUJRATI

IF THIS SUBSCRIBES 10-13 TIMES YOU WILL GET ONLY 6 SHARES AND THAT WILL RESULT IN A PROFIT OF RS. 1800 PER APPLICATION.

ITS BETTER TO AVOID AND APPLY CANTABILE, ASHOKA OR SEATV WHERE U WILL GET MORE.

324. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 10:56:45 AM
On valuation basis, Ashoka is the best bet, amongst current flood of IPO's. Infrastructure is buzzing and will be like IT boom of 2000. Longer you hold, better valuations will get discovered. traders who will short Ashoka are likely to suffer huge losses. Do not be happy with just listing gains. Just remember ARSS & Prakash sttelage. Traders sufferred huge losses
323. TSGUJARATI |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 10:22:31 AM
For Va Tech it has International presence & mostly in developing markets. What i don't think is proper to say that pricing for a 5 Rs face value stock is at 1310. For information IVRCL group had done take over of Hindustan Dor Oliver cmp 135 after ex- bonus face value Rs 2 it is in same sector. Retail portion for 1 time susbcription will get 168 crore for times 1680 crores my take 10-13 times atleast. Overall good company to go with.
322. Bj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:58:05 AM
Gem,Sreedhar,Ravi,
What are the expected retail subscription (after HUGE response from QIB) ?
321. Arunachalanadar ganesan |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs)       1293684       46736450       36.13
1(a)       Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs)             23794985       
1(b)       Domestic Financial Institutions(Banks/ Financial Institutions(FIs)/ Insurance Companies)             16508790       
1(c)       Mutual Funds             6421770       
1(d)       Others             10905       
2       Non Institutional Investors       550447       461210       0.84
2(a)       Corporates             389225       
2(b)       Individuals (Other than RIIs)             71985       
2(c)       Others             0       
3       Retail Individual Investors (RIIs)       1284376       348625       0.27
3(a)       Cut Off             220700       
3(b)       Price Bids             127925       

Updated as on 24 September 2010 at 1700 hrs



QIB has shown munch interest, I expect NII will also show much interest.

I will wait and watch


      
320. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 1:19:35 AM
DEAR ALL
PLEASE PUT IN YOUR MONEY IN VATEC FOR LONG TER. BECAUSE SHORT TERMMAIN YEH AAPKI "VAT" LAGA DEGA.

KHAAT KHADI KAR DEGA.

DHO DHO KE PATKEGA.

1310 KA SEEDHE 310 LIST HOGA.

SJ AND HIS TEAM CAN KEEP IT FOR LONG TERM.

BUT WE SHOULD AVOID DEAR ALL.