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359. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 10:33:38 PM
Nimesh-I would recommend VA Tech and Ashoka Buildcon
358. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:55:24 PM
MORE FACTS:


round the world, the WABAG name stands for innovative and successful solutions in the water engineering sector. As an internationally respected expert group, we act as a systems specialist and full service provider with a focus on the planning, installation and operation of drinking and wastewater plants for local government and industry in the growth markets of Asia, North Africa, Middle East, the Central and Eastern Europe states.

With VA TECH WABAG India and VA TECH WABAG Austria, the WABAG Group represents a leading multinational player with companies and offices in 18 countries and disposes over unique technological know-how, based on innovative, patented technologies and long-term experience.

Since 1995, WABAG has completed over 900 water and wastewater plants worldwide. Through the conservation and ecological use of the world’s most valuable resource, WABAG has made a sustained contribution to an improvement in the quality of life of well over a hundred million people. WABAG is thus one of the world’s leading partners for investments in a future that is worth living.
357. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:55:09 PM
this is setu posting from mobile coz dont know how to type underscore and cant login

are gem bhai....

Yeh jooo to river project ka article chaap raha hai....

That was planned by Bjp and it is not feasible,........

Every 3 years rivers chnge there track and their tributaries change track......by cuting banks..........

How can you cinnect them sicne source will be himayas....where track changes every 3-5 years......

If you copy paste anything just ggole the cons off that to find thhe validity of it......

With due respect........

Yeh sirf zandukhanee ki scheme hai vote bank ke liye........

Jo bjp ke time se books mein hai aur abhi tak practicall nahi hai


regards

sj
356. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:52:01 PM
Anonymous group targetting this co. as bad co. , so that common ppl like us , don't apply in it & they get better subscription.....

beware.......
355. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:44:25 PM
MORE FACTS ABOUT THE CO


The government of India is currently implementing a $100 billion project to interlink all major river networks in India.


This initiative would connect water-deficient areas to water-abundant ones by interlinking 37 Indian rivers. One of the largest projects anywhere in the world, it would transfer water through 30 links across 9,600 kilometers. It would connect 32 dams and use 56 million tons of cement and 2 million tons of steel. It would bring with it a huge requirement for water management, transmission and distribution. India’s water transmission and distribution networks are outdated and poorly maintained. The government has recently viewed privatization of these networks as the only option. Water companies from all over the world have established a presence in India to pursue an estimated 70 projects worth several billion dollars in 20 Indian cities. Indian companies have limited capabilities and technology for the design of water treatment plants. There is a distinct opportunity for U.S. companies to offer technical consulting through contractual and/or joint venture arrangement
354. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:43:38 PM
some un popular facts about the co :-

ICICI Venture-backed water and waste water technologies company VA Tech Wabag has acquired its erstwhile Austrian parent for $100 million, reports Business Standard. The report adds that this is the first major overseas acquisition by a private equity owned company in India. VA Tech Wabag India, currently owned by ICICI Venture, has acquired VA Tech Wabag GmbH of Austria from Siemens for about $100 million.
In 2005, ICICI Venture had funded the management (led by Rajiv Mittal who is the CEO) of VA Tech to buy out the unit in India. While, Siemens had acquired the parent Austrian company.
Chennai-based VA Tech India is an engineering services company focused on water and waste water treatment. It has presence in drinking water, municipal wastewater, industrial water, industrial wastewater and desalination. The acquisition will give VA Tech Wabag presence in Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia, and will make it the third largest company in this space. The Austrian parent has a presence across the globe with a business volume of over 100 million euros (Rs 560 crore). The company has revenues of Rs 300-crore.

353. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:35:39 PM
CB BHAVE JI LOOT MACHI HAI....OLNE SE KAM NAHI CHALEGA,,,
352. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 9:17:10 PM
BEWARE........BEWARE........................PNOTES SCAM IS COMING..1ST OCT..FIIS WILL BE FORCE TO SELL ...AYODHYA...COMOON CURRUPTION GAMES....SCAM....RETAIL INVESTERS BEWARE.......NO BUYER FOR VATECH AT 280 RS
351. Srini |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 8:14:27 PM (400+ Posts)
I cant understand lot of people are posting SP Tulsian's message here saying avoid because of high price, if really price is high why QIB section has been subscribed 36 times, QIB's are far better in analysing the share valuation, so I request all of you to stop posting SPT message here, there are 3 reasons why we have to go for this IPO, first rating is 4(I have never seen shares are listed in discount which is having rating 4 recent times), secondly grey market is more than 300Rs, lastly QIB has subscribed 36 times, so why to go for negative about this issue, if anybody is interested let them go for the IPO, don't disappoint them by putting these kind of recommendations. Very sorry if my message hurt anybody but this is the fact.
350. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 7:53:54 PM
Tulsiyan pagla gaya hi shree ganesh, i.B power, nhpc ko apply karnay ko bolta hi, sks, jubliyant, caks and king ko mahga batata hi, isko gober gold dikta hi, and gold gober dikta hi, bada vichitra pradi hi.
349. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 7:28:08 PM
ah ok..so better to go for Techpro systems ...right?
348. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 7:25:38 PM
SP TULSIAN SAYS STRICTLY AVOID THIS ISSUE

VA Tech? No way!

VA Tech Wabag has entered the primary market on 22nd September 2010, with a fresh issue of Rs. 125 crore and offer for sale of 26.53 lakh equity shares of Rs. 5 each, both, in the price band of Rs. 1,230 to 1,310 per share. The company will make a fresh issue of 9.5 to 10.2 lakh equity shares, while the offer for sale will range between Rs. 326 to 348 crore, depending on the price discovered. The issue closes on 24th September for QIB bidders and on 27th September for HNI and retail category.

A water solution provider with presence in emerging markets of India, Middle East, North Africa, Central and East Europe, China, South East Asia, VA Tech Wabag has executed 113 projects and is currently executing 81 projects, as of 31st July 2010. Overseas operations accounted for 55% of FY10 revenues.

The company was acquired from Siemens through a management buy-out (MBO) in September 2005 by its 4 existing promoters, along with the support of PE investor ICICI Ventures. Present promoters’ shareholding is very low at 34.34%, which will get reduced to 31.77% (assuming book to get discovered at upper end of price band) post-issue.

In the IPO, 35% of the fully diluted post-issue capital of the company is being offered to the public (at upper price band). About 73.6% of this comprises of offer for sale, by 5 funds (3 PE investors). It seems that the IPO is more an exit route for PE investors, wherein 2 funds (invested since 2007-08) are making a complete exit, while ICICI Ventures is making a part-exit from the company.

The fresh fund infusion will not augment the company’s financials significantly. Only Rs. 125 crore will flow into the company’s books, which are to be used to fund working capital of Rs. 65 crore, to implement IT systems at a cost of Rs. 11 crore and to build a corporate office at Chennai worth Rs. 35 crore. It is silly that the company has to tap the investors for building a fancy head-office, when it already has cash and bank balance of Rs. 219 crore, as on 31st March 2010. The company’s claim of using the present cash surplus for strategic needs appears a mere eye-wash.

The promoters claim that they are not selling a single share in the IPO. However, page 85-86 of the RHP states that between 20th to 24th August 2010, the 4 promoters, employees and existing PE investors have, in aggregate, already sold 10.2% stake in the company to a couple of funds and to their merchant bankers Enam and IDFC, at Rs. 1,231.55 per share (close to lower end of price band) for cash. This transaction, just a month before IPO opening, shows the confidence (or lack of it) and the vested interest of all the parties involved - the 4 individual promoters (having average cost price ranging between Rs. 3.14 to Rs. 11.72 per share), company’s employees (whose effective cost of shares is about Rs. 82.4 under ESOPs), existing PE investors as well as the merchant bankers.

The company likes to call itself a technology company, owning 157 process and product patents. However, its EBITDA and PAT margins are below average at 9.9% and 4% respectively, which does not reflect the ‘technology edge’ the company claims to enjoy. The PAT margin would have been lower, had the company been debt-laden, like most of the companies in the sector. Its debt-free status has somewhat helped keep the PAT margins to the present levels.

For FY10, on revenues of Rs. 1,224 crore, the company has outstanding debtors of Rs. 635 crore, as on 31st March 2010, representing a collection period of 190 days. Even if we buy the argument that about 40% of revenues are generated in the fourth quarter, still a debtors balance representing over 6 months sales is very high, compared to the industry standards. Going forward, the company is estimating debtor days of 215 days, which itself is on the higher side.

Even on the business front, the company does not provide much comfort. Order book, as on 30th June 2010, was Rs. 2,778 crore, comprising 88% of municipal clients and balance industrial clients. Also, it has large dependence on few clients as 66% of revenues in FY10 came from top 5 clients, while 82% of order book as on 31st March 2010, are from top 5 clients.

At the upper and lower end of the price band and considering FY10 EPS of Rs. 52.34 per share, the company is issuing shares at PE multiples of 23.5 times and 25 times respectively. The PBV multiple is 2.9 and 3.1 respectively on pre-money basis, and 2.4 and 2.6 respectively on post-money basis.

Page 96 of the RHP, which states the basis for issue price, has compared the company with other listed players, including IVRCL Infra and Nagarjuna Constructions. This comparison is erroneous and mis-leading as it has a footnote that the figures are on consolidated basis, where infact, standalone numbers of peers have been stated. The company and merchant bankers cannot get away with such wrong deeds by quoting a private publication, atleast not in the offer document!

There needs to be an apple to apple comparison. IVRCL Infra’s consolidated revenue for FY10 Rs. 5,830 crores with PAT at Rs. 215 crores, on equity base of Rs.53.40 crores,translating into an EPS of Rs.8.05. This leads to a PE multiple of 21 times for IVRCL (in place of 63.2 stated in RHP) based on CMP of 167. On the other hand, Nagarjuna Constructions’ consol revenue, PAT and EPS are Rs. 5,897 crore, Rs.282 crores and Rs. 11 on equity base of Rs. 51 crores, respectively, leading to PE multiple of less than 15 times, as against the stated PE of 19.2 times.

Even on price to book basis, stock of this company looks more expensive when compared to the two larger peers, with revenues of both by about 5 times, of the company. Nagarjuna Construction having BV of Rs.90 is ruling at a PBV of 1.8 times, while IVRCL having book value of Rs.101 is ruling at a PBV of 1.6 times, after adjusting of its 80.5% stake held in IVRCL Assets.

Even at the lower end of the price band, the issue seems expensive. Considering the recent transfer of shares, mere exit route for PE investors, lack of significant business upside in near future, cash in hand of the company, as well as peer comparison, the issue is a clear avoid.



347. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 7:17:25 PM
i want a safe IPO investment ..which one shld i go

1) Tecpro systems or VA Tech Wabag
346. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 7:06:17 PM
Dear TCB,
For proper ipo guidance, refer capital market.com, ipo center.
Any rating above 45, you can go blindly on the ipo.
First choice ipo analysis by prasanna is also excellent.
I do my own analysis because of I am a big investor since 1980.
I do not write on this site, but I thought you shold not be guided by 3rd grade copy paste analysis.
A person who spends 6 hours writing on this site can hardly Analise on his own. you can go through previous 25 pages and you will find contenet of 15 pages are from 1 person.
All the best.
345. Sudesh Chopra |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 5:29:12 PM
Dear All:

SEBI Chairman, Mr. Bhave, is reported to have commented on astronominal pricing of IPOs. I am inclined to agree entirely with him, especially in case of this IPO, where it is being used primarily for venture capitalists to make an enormous profits on their investments without any tangible benefits for the company. I think the IPO funds should be utilized primarily for capex or other expansion plans of the company and not an exit route for the few people or companies who helped during the initial years of company's growth. Of course, they would be free to liquidate their investments once the shares are listed on the stock exchanges, but first let the IPO funds be used for the expansion of the companies. The same argument holds true for the PSU divestments, where the government garners funds to pay for the political gains through subsidies, freebies, and wasteful expenditure and then cover up such losses/lapses through IPOs/FPOs of PSUs.

Your comments please.

SKC
344. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 4:29:48 PM
Whtever Ravi is saying is already mention on this site yaar click here n read capital market review.
http://www.capitalmarket.com/cmedit/story28-106.asp?SNo=424728

Wht i m saying tht company is gud i donno it will list up r down bt 1 thing is sure if electrosteel,Eros,Career point.microsec etc etc inshort ki jo bhi IPO abhi open huye hai if they will gt gud returns then this script will giv gud returns too..

Kisi ke B**P ko nahi pata ki opening kya hogi all depends upon the market condition...yaaro if u think market is positive toh risk lo aur if u think market goona tank in 15 days then stay away..grey market premium is 300 to 350...simple hai market thik rahegi toh it will giv u +300 agar market kharab toh koi bhi IPO nahi chalega which we all knw...(sorry bout the above B**P word nt getting personal just an expression)

Appna demaag lagao sabke bolne per maath jao yaarooo....
343. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:48:22 PM (300+ Posts)
Only Rs 125 crores will be raised by the company while Rs 350 crores will be sold by existing investors. If some selling shareholders who don’t have lock-in period decide to sell post-listing, it could affect performance in immediate term.

Valuation is not comfortable for listing gain.

It has a class of its own and good to pick-up in secondary market.
342. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:36:53 PM
It will be list at 1800/- and within week touch 2000/-
341. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:36:44 PM
VA Tech Ipo is very costly share, should we apply in this or suggest us any other Ipo
340. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 25, 2010 3:26:04 PM
346. Anonymous sali teri pas pisa nahi hi to es mi tari galti hi tara ba.... ki galti to prakesh mi bhi yahi bola taha oha par tu khud dhul gaya aur yaha pi phar aagya hi dhulna