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519. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:48:04 PM
CB HAVE SEBI CHAIRMAN UNCOMFORTABLW WITH CURRENT IPOS EXPENSIVE VALUATION N REQUESTS INVESTMENT BANKERS TO BE LESS GREEDY N LEAVE SOMETHING ON TABLE FOR INVESTORS.

ATTENTION EVERBODY REPUTED RESEARCH HOUSE EQUITYMASTER IS SAYING TO AVOID VATECH ipo.

MARKETS ARE EXPECTED TO CRASH IN NEXT FIORTNIGHT SO AVOID THESE HIGH PRICED IPO FEQUITYMASTER SAYS AVOID THE VA TECH WABAG IPO

Issue structure ________________________________________

Qualified Institutional Bidders (QIBs) Non-institutional Investors Retail Investors
Percentage of issue size 50% 15% 35%
Minimum Bid/Application size Such number of equity shares so that the bid amount exceeds Rs 100,000 Such number of equity shares so that the bid amount exceeds Rs 100,000 5 Equity Shares
Minimum Bid/Application size Not exceeding issue size Not exceeding issue size Such Number of equity shares so that the bid amount does not exceed Rs 100,000

Objects of the issue ________________________________________
The company mainly proposes to use the issue's net proceeds to fund its working capital requirements. Based on its consolidated order book of Rs 27.7 bn as on end June 2010, it plans to utilise more than half of its issue's net proceeds to part fund the working capital requirement for this orders, while balance portion of the orders is expected by way of short term bank loans.
It also plans to use the fund for construction of its corporate office at Chennai and towards implementation of its global IT system.
The following table illustrates detail break-up towards the utilisation of issue's net proceeds.
Particulars Amt (Rs m)
Funding working capital requirement 645
Construction of corporate off. at Chennai 347
Implementation of global IT systems 111
General corporate purposes 147*
Total fresh issue 1,250
* based on higher end of price band
Company background ________________________________________

• Business
VA Tech Wabag (VA Tech) is a multinational player in the water treatment industry. The company has a presence in most emerging markets that include India, Austria, UAE, Libya, Czech Republic, the Middle East, North Africa, Central and Eastern Europe, China and South East Asia. It offers complete life cycle solution from conceptualization, design, engineering, procurement, supply, installation, construction to operation and maintenance (O&M) services. Further, it has a presence in entire value chain of the water treatment ranging from sewage, drinking water, effluents, desalination and reuse. And caters to institutional clients like municipal corporations and corporate from industries like power, steel and oil & gas. It is headquartered in Chennai that manages its global operations along with its subsidiaries.
The company has strategic and technical expertise, while it subcontracts its general civil works. It has technology focused R&D centres in India, Austria and Switzerland. It also owns 157 patents that include both product and process patents. Moreover, it has already applied for 51 patents through its subsidiary that are pending for approval.
In 2007, the company management acquired its parent Wabag Austria and hence took over the entire Wabag group. The Wabag group was founded in 1924. And has a project reference list of more than 2,250 projects over the last three decades.
• Key management personnel
Rajiv Mittal, 50, is the Managing Director of the company and is in the position since September 2000. He is a graduate in chemical engineering from the University of Bombay. Before 2000, he worked with Wabag Water Engineering Limited, UK as a deputy director (international sales). He has 27 years of experience in the water industry.
Shiv Narayan Saraf, 58, is the head of operations. He holds a bachelor's degree in engineering from Karnataka Regional Engineering College. He has been associated with the company's since August 2000. Before that, he was employed with Ion Exchange India Limited and has over 38 years of work experience.
Amit Sengupta, 54, is the head of corporate strategy. He holds a bachelor's degree in chemical engineering from IIT, Kharagpur and has been working with the company since June 2001. Before joining the company, he was employed with Kirloskar AAF Limited and has over 32 years of work experience. He is responsible for strategy for growth, technology acquisitions and synergising strengths within the Wabag group to improve efficiency, apart from heading the corporate marketing and communications.
S. Varadarajan, 44, is the chief financial officer and the head of the OBG SBU of the Company. He is an associate member of the Institute of Company Secretaries of India and the Institute of Cost and Works Accountants of India. He has been working with the company since January 1997. Before that, he was employed with PL Agro Technologies Limited as finance manager and company secretary and has 24 years of work experience. He is in charge for finance, commercial, legal, secretarial, information technology, income tax and general administration functions of the company.
• Sector
The demand for water - the life-sustaining natural resource that has no substitute, continues to escalate at an unsustainable rate, fueled by population growth and industrial expansion. Water use has been growing at more than twice the rate of population increase in the last century, and, although there is no global water scarcity as such, an increasing number of regions are chronically short of water. Most countries in the Near East and North Africa suffer from acute water scarcity, as do countries such as Mexico, Pakistan, South Africa, and large parts of China and India.
The world's fresh water supply is shrinking due to pollution, draining of underground aquifers, and climate change. This situation is reflected in the fact that in a world three-quarters covered by water, approximately 18% of the population does not have access to fresh drinking water and almost 40% of the population lacks improved sanitation facilities. As a result, supply of clean, potable water and sanitation are among the key challenges of the 21st century.
The global supply of freshwater is relatively fixed, and unevenly distributed. Total global water reserves are estimated to be 1.4 billion cubic kilometers, of which nearly 97.5% is salt water in oceans, and the balance 2.5% forms the available fresh water reserves. Groundwater and surface water, which together constitute approximately 0.76% of the total water on the planet are the most easily accessible and used sources of water. Rest of the fresh water is either locked up in the form of glaciers and permanent snow cover, or is inaccessible to humans.
Reasons to apply ________________________________________
• Growing industry: We being about 70% covered by water, are yet left with minuscule amount of fresh accessible water. In fact, as per World Water Development report, of the total water only 2.5% is fresh, while rest is salted water. And of that 2.5%, only 0.4% is surface and atmosphere water that is accessible to us, while the rest 99.6% is in form of glaciers and ground water. This points out to huge opportunities for companies catering to this space. And VA Tech is no exception.

• Present in the entire value chain of the water treatment: Being in the water treatment industry, the company caters to the entire range of water treatment services. Its services range from sewage treatment, processing and drinking water treatment, effluents treatment, sludge treatment to desalination and reuse for its client. We believe this helps it to diversify its portfolio of offerings. It also benefits by way of bids for projects that involve complete water treating solution.

• Geographical advantage: VA Tech is entirely present in the emerging markets of Asia, African continent, Europe and the Middle east. In fact, these regions are highly populated in the world (that include India and China) and, thus, require high demand for water treatment. Going forward, with increasing population and lower accessible fresh water, more opportunity towards treating water will be generated.

• Huge technological advantage: The company mainly offers technical solution and sub contracts civil works. This helps it to keep its requirement of assets low and, in fact, entails far lower capital expenditure. For instance, the company has 157 patents under its portfolio, besides 51 which are already pending for approval.
Reasons not to apply ________________________________________
• Orders entirely skewed towards municipal clients: Around 88% of company’s latest order book comes from State and Central government controlled municipal corporations. And company’s revenues are highly dependent on them. Moreover, these institutions have bad history. Any delays, termination or cancellation of projects would affect its business operations.

• High client concentration ratio: During FY10, around 2/3rd of the company’s standalone revenues came from its top 5 clients. And 82% of the standalone order book during the period came from its top 5 clients. Further, its major subsidiary, Wabag Austria’s concentration remained at 36% and 53% of revenues and order book respectively during the same period. This leads to high business risk in the hands of few clients. So in future, if company loses any one of its top clients, its business operations will face huge risks. However, diversification benefits may accrue on account of more activity in the industry going forward.

• Higher dependency on third party contractors: As per the company, its Indian business, that constitutes 60% of its total consolidated revenues, comprises of around 25% to 30% of civil works that are sub contracted to third party contractors. This is mainly towards development and construction of proposed projects and supply of certain key equipments. Though the company does not have direct control on them, any uncertainty with respect to timing and quality of work will impact its operations immensely.
Financials Analysis ________________________________________
Consolidated financials

Profit & Loss (Rs m) FY08 FY09 FY10

Operating revenue 6,109 11,333 12,237

Expenditure 5,933 10,718 11,125

EBITDA 176 614 1,113

EBITDA Margin 2.9% 5.4% 9.1%

Interest Expense 144 354 299

Depreciation 53 84 139

Other Income 123 217 100

Prior period & other adjustments (38) 69 22

Profit Before Tax 65 462 797

Tax 10 40 304

Net Profit/(Loss) 54 422 494

Net Margin 0.9% 3.7% 4.0%

Weighted Average no. of shares(m) 9.2 9.5 9.5

Diluted EPS (as reported by the company) (Rs) 5.9 44.4 51.9

Balance Sheet (Rs m)

Net Block 289 350 378

Net Worth 3,117 3,715 4,008

Debt 447 459 391

D/E 0.1 0.1 0.1

RoNW 1.7% 11.4% 12.3%

RoIC 11.4% 24.4% 26.0%

Concluding remarks ________________________________________
VA Tech Wabag Ltd. comparative analysis
Particulars (FY10) Unit VA Tech Wabag NALCO Holding
Revenue Rs m 12,237 170,479
No. of shares(m)* m 10.3 138.6
Current price* Rs 1,310 1,159
Market cap. Rs m 13,512 160,685
D/E# x 0.1 5.8
EPS Rs 47.9 20.01
RONW# % 9.4 12.9
P/BV# x 2.6 7.5
P/E x 27.4 23.9**
* Shares outstanding post issue, price Rs. 1310 higher price band ** on TTM earnings
# Networth calculated post issue on higher price band NAlCO's financial are as of CY09; 1 US$= Rs 45.5
We believe that water treatment is going to be a big industry going forward and the company does have competitive advantages to exploit the potential growth. Besides, its asset light model and a strong balance sheet also bode well for it. However, factors like limited financial history, inconsistent trend in margins and negative cash flow generation in the last couple of years do raise some amount of concerns.
Besides, the price band that the management has fixed for the IPO seems to leave very little on the table for IPO investors. The original investors who are exiting the company however, stand to gain from the hefty exit price that they are being offered. All in all, we would advise investors to give a pass to the IPO issue currently and have a re-look in the future when the valuations come down to more meaningful levels and the company starts having a decent financial history so as to make evaluation of its fundamentals a worthwhile exercise. In view of these factors, we recommend investors to "AVOID" this IPO.


518. Aunty |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:46:35 PM
DEAR FRIENDS..
URGENT HELP REQUIRED..
HDFC SITE IS USELESS..
WHEN I WANTED TO APPLY FOR EROS IT SLOWED DOWN..
NOW I HAD FILLED 70 SHARES THROUGH ASBA RETAIL ONLINE AY CUT OFF WHICH I WANT TO INCREASE TO 75...THEY SAY MY ORDER IS STILL UNDER PROCESS SO I CAN NOT MODIFY...IN OTHER WORDS FROM PAST 3 HOURS IT IS STILL SHOWING UNDER PROCESS...
517. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:45:11 PM
WAAH WAAH WABAG
516. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:43:03 PM
which site on bse are bid details r shown
515. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:40:58 PM
TILL 2.40 PM

QIB 36.13 TIMES
NON INST 5.38 TIMES
RETAIL 3.62 TIMES
514. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:36:35 PM
this website has become a spammers paradise
513. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:35:46 PM
AT 2:03 PM (as per nse and bse websites):

QIB                  
nse      1293684.00      34549015.00      26.71
bse      12,93,684      1,21,87,435      9.42
Total            34549015.00      36.13
NII                  
nse      550447.00      1600615.00      2.91
bse      5,50,447      13,59,965      2.47
Total            1600615.00      5.38
Retail Individual Investors (RIIs)                  
nse      1284376.00      2858815.00      2.23
bse      12,84,376      17,86,240      1.39
Total            2858815.00      3.62
512. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:32:06 PM
It's a decent buy @ Rs 1300...because if we compare it with Thermax or Hidustan Dorr, it has a P/E multiple of 16 times as compared to 32 times of both the mentioned companies...which means it is undervalued!!!
511. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:30:17 PM
BSE + NSE @ 2 PM
Total: 17.37
QIB: 36.1307
HNI: 5.3807
RII: 3.6207
510. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:30:15 PM
bidding is over and i think who all have applied in full capacity hope u get allotment, will make hansome money. be here on listing anything below 20% is buying apportunity here. so all who have missed can come aboard on listing day if its below 20% peremium.
509. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:28:33 PM (300+ Posts)
422. Chem cho

As per your advise applying for listing gain & avoiding Ashoka Buildcon.

In case Ashoka Buildcon gives good return, I will copy & paste Aster Silicates abuses - FIND Ravi, Bangalore & REPLACE Chem Cho.

In Aster Silicates, I made Rs.1,300 loss on first day, but on subsequent days, I made a profit of Rs.13,500 net brokerage.

Later, I will come back to you with further comments.
508. Rg |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:26:09 PM
Retail @ 2PM
3.62 (BSE+NSE)
507. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:25:10 PM
I am not sure why bse and nse websites are showing different figues
506. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:22:10 PM
Per BSE website :


(1) Details of Allocation to Investors other than Anchor Investors
VA Tech Wabag Limited      Last updated on 27/09/2010 02:03 PM
Sr.No.      Category      No.of shares offered/reserved      No. of shares bid for      No. of times of total meant for the category
1      Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs)      12,93,684      1,21,87,435      9.4207
1(a)      Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs)            59,41,650      
1(b)      Domestic Financial Institutions(Banks/ Financial Institutions(FIs)/ Insurance Companies)            49,93,875      
1(c)      Mutual Funds            12,41,005      
1(D)      Others            10,905      
2      Non Institutional Investors      5,50,447      13,59,965      2.4707
2(a)      Corporates            8,99,835      
2(b)      Individuals (Other than RIIs)            4,60,130      
2(c)      Others                  
3      Retail Individual Investors (RIIs)      12,84,376      17,86,240      1.3907
3(a)      Cut Off            17,43,175      
3(b)      Price Bids             43,065      
      Total Demand      31,28,507      1,53,33,640      4.9013
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505. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:13:40 PM
On the basis of price this is so much costly share, Mr.Tulsiyan not recommended this share they gave red signal so think and then apply.
504. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:12:47 PM
please give only correct subscription figures. Please do not give wrong figures. Thank You all people for posting here.
503. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:04:58 PM
till 2 pm retail is 3.2 times it will go around 8 to 10 times current gmp in delhi is 330- 340 i am applying in this full 6 applications guys good issue

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502. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 2:02:54 PM
2.45 times subcribe
1pm
RAJIV JAIN
501. Sj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 1:58:20 PM (400+ Posts)
silent one

at 503

kyun bee ? tu kya shankar sharma ki tarah bear hai kya

main chota mota broker bull market mein kama raha hai clients ka turnover ho raha hai

tu kya chata hai ke mera dhanda manda ho jaye kaaa..?


market kahan badha hai

2008 mein 21000 tha

ab 20000 nahi hoga 2 saal ke baad

kya corporate earning nahi badhi kya


GDP nahi grow kiya kaaa do saal mein

tum log mutual fund unit bech rahe hooo

foreign wala le raha hai

Phir jab market 25000-30000 ho jayega

tub tumlog loge aur FII bechega

correction will only come in march-june 2011

Tu hold karna bee

main bhi to ek saal se hold kiyan hun

aur 3 mahine se nahi badha tub hi hold kar raha hun

tereko main split ke bad bhi 50 rupees dikhaunga

dekh lena

LOLLLLLLLLLLL

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500. Ajayshare |   Link |  Bookmark | September 27, 2010 1:50:25 PM (200+ Posts)
latest total sub. 17 times.