It's game of expectations...chemcon every one are expected listing 700-750-800 and finally operators sold all lots at higher price and retailers have settle with 500-600 rs only..in this IPO expectations are very low even people get price to price they become happy..after listing high probability that they snatch all floating stock and move higher...it's my theory..let's see on listing day.
Most of the applicants r more worried about listing gains .no body has got patience. When hdfc standard life Icici Lombard sbi life fine organic chemistry hit the market nobody applied.everybody got allotment. All these companies gave good returns who retained their allotment. Uti amc is not a small Co. Initially there may be a hiccup but it will recover in no time
this issue made investor fool...UTI will list positive and within week will jump a lot. looking to fundamental and compared to peers no reason to list in negative...keep holding tight and don't sell lower than +20% within week/month of listing.
Those who are focusing on Just ROE and PEG is somewhere not understanding the business model and business itself..
The entity existed for years.. Made profits reserves in an asset light business and became asset havey compared to peers at present..
Market Cap to AUM is the perfect ratio to understand this business as when ever AMCs are bought and sold the focus is % of total AUM..
Please understand 1) This is debt free business 2) Yes it's asset light gives advantage of operating leverage.. Same branch office-same distributor increased sales.. 3) Most importantly this is non fund based NBFC.. So when you are a shareholder of a bank , a bank will face erosion in capital due to leverage or NPAs..Banks will not pass gain or losses to clients but, AMCs do.. They make good money by charging fees 4) In the analyst meet they said their margin is 0.45 basis way higher than their peers.. 5) Just go and chek their funds. And specifically track record... 6) Just quote a business which is non fund based NBFC and quoting this low.. PB 2.55? 7) Last year they saw a loss due to their own participation in Debt AIF as a sponsor.. There's recovery of 90 cr which alone can prop up growth of 25% in any quarterly result.. Chek rating agency, life insurance, general insurance or other mutual funds..
One thing is for sure you will not get this valuations again for at least a decade...
396.6. Chem cho| Link| Bookmark|
September 30, 2020 9:09:18 AM
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The price is fixed as per the valuations , Even if we have negative market condition , Maximum it can go down to Rs 500 / but you will not be able to buy at lower levels MOST of the bank have AUM , But at present only three stocks preference wise HDFCAMC , NAM , UTI AMC As in other stock which go down 50% and then YOU repent Brokers advice some clients to buy diffrent MUTUAL FUNDS of same AUM instead of stocks I feel you buy THE HEAD OF ALL MUTUAL FUNDS (HDFCAMC, NAM ,UTI AMC ) AT present since we are talking only of UTI AMC , i fell to apply and hold for a stop loss of Rs 490 on closing basis
@Cautious IPO, Chem Cho Sir's advice was based on the GMP as on 30-09-2020. The NIIs had shifted their interest from UTI AMC to MAZAGON DOCK. Also, there will be a less fancy listing interest seen in the UTI AMC IPO.
Do not follow Mr. Chem cho...as you all knows now about his knowledge for UTI AMC....So Just Avoid Taking adivices from such members...good for all of us
396.11. Chem cho| Link| Bookmark|
October 6, 2020 6:55:49 PM
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refer my advice on 30 sept 2020 before the IPO closed Maximum to go down to Rs 500 stop loss Rs 490 This advice is not for weak hands
@ Masterofipos.......Dear Sir respect ... respected persons..... Do not blame anyone as no one has expected this type of subscription....No one is god ...Yea u can say kismat he kharab the...Chem cho is very senior and very respected member of this forum...
Do not try to pull anyones legs... Respect to all members ????...old and new... Listen to all including yourself also and then decide to apply or not... Once applied it's your own fate...no one going to share your profit or loss...
But it is ok for the IDs you always defend.......to barge into any conversation and directly and indirectly try to put blame on them.
396.15. Nicks Jain| Link| Bookmark|
October 7, 2020 11:24:34 AM
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Chem cho sir Agreed in past as well I do hope same, max it can go down 500, buying should come at this rate. One can definitely hold for medium term view
Listing in the range of 535-585. Those who have applied need not worry. UTI AMC is not Mutual Fund only, but it also handle substantial fund of NPS and EPFO. Good company.
Except mutual fund business other two, NPS and EPFO does not contribute much to the revenue and profit side.
And in mutual fund business also their way of working is like Sarkari....they are least bothered about... AUM size...funds performance.....and more importantly it has 5 promoter .....like in case of IL&FS....
Baki sab apna call lene ke liye iss Swatantra Bharat main Swatantra hai.....
Since I have not applied in the IPO, I would look to enter this stock at INR 101.
If I would have applied in this IPO then I would have been looking to exit the stock at 1001.
So my outlook depends on whether I have applied in the IPO or not.
Discl: The above is said in the context of making a point. Bhav ko samajhe ..Dont take it literally. It is not to communicate what I have done in the IPO.
"UTI MF surged by 16 percent to Rs 1,33,361 crore" compared to peers, it looks like this is highest increase
fingers crossed
391.1. Black Swan| Link| Bookmark|
October 6, 2020 10:45:04 PM
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16% is quite impressive for an AMC which has higher ratio of debt funds compared to its peers
390. PearlRohit| Link| Bookmark|
October 6, 2020 12:14:58 PM
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I Applied Angel Broking 3 Application but Allotment 0. I Purchase 50 Share Angel from Market Rs. 265.20. My Next Target of 50 Share Rs. 240=00 and Third Target Rs. 200=00 for Angel Broking.
It is so easy to keep posting GMP in IPO like Chemcon where it was no brainer that listing would be good.
In UTI AMC IPO, there are very few GMP posting from usual people who will have at least 40-50 posting of GMPs in each IPO. Another example is Mazagon where there are still good no of GMP posts.
Reason is not difficult to understand. It is just that forum members need to apply their mind as well.
We all do not need to follow any of them like MR.chem cho & many mores.... applying in IPOs is very simple procedure u can follow when it seems that GMP of any company falling down....u must not to apply...which I do since very long....& Honestly with this procedure I never regret my decision...Hope you all understand...Thank you
I don't know what will happen....But don't compare an Apple with a Guava
384.2. Sharvam| Link| Bookmark|
October 5, 2020 1:28:59 PM
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@Badaya, I think you should write, don't compare apples(UTI) with potato(Angel)....... on the lighter note.
384.3. Haar Jeet| Link| Bookmark|
October 5, 2020 1:44:20 PM
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@ intelectuals pls suggest
Fruits comparable with fruits or vegetables?
384.4. Sharvam| Link| Bookmark|
October 5, 2020 2:44:21 PM
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@Haar Jeet, Actually what I mean to say "Batata" (in Gujarati), and there is one saying in Gujarati "If you're in stockmarket then there are atleast one or two Batatas in your portfolio"