What are the chances of allotment in sNII category, given it is 14.66 times oversubscription (Assuming everybody applied for 14 lots in this category) a) Is it ~1 lot confirmed? b) will it be lottery, then what is the probability of getting alloted?
@ ashish furia In shni you will get all14 lots if lucky...
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December 3, 2022 8:08:39 AM
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I have applied through Central Bank ASBA yesterday but no mail or message received from BSE or NSE regarding confirmation of application received. Only message received from Central Bank regarding blocking of amount. In past, mail was received same day from BSE for main board IPOs. Can someone explain exact reason or facing same problem. Thanks 🙏
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December 3, 2022 11:07:13 AM
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Applying on last day may not generate confirmation email or message due to heavy load at exchanges.Be relaxed you will be in lottery for sure :)
सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः, सर्वे सन्तु निरामयाः
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December 3, 2022 11:39:39 AM
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Whenever I applied through Central Bank ASBA in past, I used to get enail same night but not in case of Uniparts. I have also tried to get status of my application at BSE website but it is showing no record found when I enter pan no. This has happened with many Central Bank and even SBI applicants. No email and no message confirmation.
When you apply in demat account of your friend and family using your upi it calls third party upi. in layman's language if i apply in ipo with your demat but with my upi id it calls third party upi.
In simple words if anyone apply in IPO using their bank account but Demat ccount if of another person (family/friends/relative) using ASBA or UPI is called 3rd party application.
For example person A apply in Uniparts from his/her own bank account and Demat account is of his/her own then it's not called a third party application as the amount will be deducted in his her/own account and shares will be credited in his/her own account.
Now if person A apply in Uniparts from his/her own bank account but apply for person B Demat account in whatever way (ASBA/UPI) it's called Third party application.
As of no SEBI allows third party applications but sometimes it depends on registrars if they accept it or not.
I personally use Yes bank ASBA facility for applying in IPO (one of the best interface for IP application) and many times I applied for third party applications and none was rejected and sometimes I got allotment too in third party. Most recently in Archean Chemicals.
@jai pratap so applicants that you have added in your yes bank asba ,now can we add or the ones that registered before only that account can be applied?
387.6. Imhilli| Link| Bookmark|
December 2, 2022 11:28:56 AM
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All responses are correct. In brief, if PAN in DEMAT account and banking account through which money used is different, it will be called as 3rd party application.
387.7. Ankur Goel| Link| Bookmark|
December 2, 2022 11:42:12 AM
IPO Guru (1300+ Posts, 600+ Likes)
In simple words, I applied IPO using your UPI id and you would approve my mandate in UPI app. It is called thrid party UPI application.
@IPO MILNE WALA HAI, in Yes Bank you can add applicant and approve it and just after that you can apply IPO application on the newly add applicant. There is no wait time.
@IPO MILNE WALA HAI, I added a third party applicant today only for Unipart and applied in it. It worked flawlessly. All process took less than 3 minutes.
I always wonder how this is legal (this may sound ignorant), when bank account debited is of A, and shares get credited to B!? How about taxation liability?
@ValueSeeker, It's totally legal, If Person B got allotment then all taxation liability is of person B, the amount of IPO will be treated as loan to Person B from Person A.
How they share profit (or not share at all) is there internal matter. Generally 3rd party application are between family members (or close relatives only). So they have a mutual verbal agreement which both parties normally always comply.
@jai jai Pratap If person A transfer the share via CDSL to his own DMAT- Then taxation responsibility I think again falls back to A. What about Person B. If these share costs in lakhs (as in SME cases), will some one (tax authorities) ask him or her that something came in your DMAT worth lakhs and gone ....
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December 4, 2022 9:52:29 AM
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@jai jai Pratap It is not legal. Applying 3rd party applications now is illegal as per SEBI norms. Most banks stopped. Registrars too are rejecting. There are few oversights of getting allotment that will also stop soon as systems and surveillance get upgraded. When A's bank gets debited for an application of B's Demat or applied for it is not treated as loan. When A transfer's amount to B's bank account and B applies with his bank account in his Demat , it is legal and becomes a loan. Else it is 3rd party application. In both cases capital gains tax liability is of B though. Trust this helps.
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December 4, 2022 10:05:46 AM
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Please name the banks are allowing third party ASBA. I need to know so that I can use it for my minor son. Thanks 🙏
@ipo share Repeatedly this query has been answered here nevertheless why you want to apply 3rd party when Indusind, icici, and hdfc (and few other banks - I don't know them) giving facility to apply from minor account directly. 🤔
@Ou Ai, as I said earlier I recently got 3rd Party allotment in Archean and I know people who got 3rd arty application in Medanta & Bikaji. Also none of my third party application got rejected in Kayens technologies. I and my friends also applied about 8 third party applications in Dharmaj and Uniparts and let's see how it will unfolds.
@AAvi, Wrt tax liability, it's always to the person who got allotment and not for the person who's money is used. Now how they treat that money transaction it's up to them but generally for third party application I follow this notation, A will treat the money as loan if B got allotment using A's money.
Retail OS is 4.61X but based on bid received at cut off it is 3.72 X . If 10 % rejection is considered then OS is 3.35X .Allotment ratio is now 1;3.35 !!! Hope calculation is correct
QIB comes at 2 PM and SBI ASBA says Tata bye bye at 2 PM..not good for those HNIs who have account in SBI and apply at last moments after observing qib subscription figure..Harsha and Syrma both stuck..i am afraid that Harsha will go below 390...when Nifty is at all time high, both stocks should have moved upward a little..but both not moving upward..it seems we will have to hold till next quarterly results.
384.3. Prasen Ipo| Link| Bookmark|
December 2, 2022 9:38:02 PM
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@AKM Apply 10 retail application..... I am also stuck in harsha , syram and kaynes ... Let see what happens....
I wanted to know from one bank account how many asba applications can i place for 5 different PAN DEMAT accounts. Is there any limit or i can apply 5 bhni from one bank account .
Some banks like AXIS, one can apply 5 applications for five different DMAT accounts (3rd party-different PAN). It depends on bank- Few doesn't allow eg SBI ASBA One can apply 5 BHNI for five different DMAT accounts - no limit as such. I have been doing it successfully.
GMP for Global hospitals was also negative for a while, but have a look at it now.. Do not worry when you are applying for a fundamentally strong company. 👍🏻
379.10. arvindarvind| Link| Bookmark|
December 1, 2022 3:17:24 PM
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Sir global hospital means Medanta. Top hospital in india and ranking in world hospital. Now all politician getting treatment in Medanta so We cant compare it with Medanta and it is purely OFS And listing after election results.
377.2. Abhii VPG| Link| Bookmark|
December 3, 2022 12:47:08 AM
IPO Mentor (1000+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Bhai I do not have any demat with traditional broker, all accounts are with online discount brokers only thats why no point of contact in grey 😅 & for that reason only I have mentioned posted as heard. Also I do not prefer to trade in grey as I only apply when satisfied with fundamentals & with full conviction & try to hold till I get some handsome returns. For recent ex you can take Campus, sold my lots around 590/- And lastly, just wait for tomorrow or monday ₹70-75 araam se mil jaega apke aas paas hi koi dealer.
All the best & Happy investing ✌🏻
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December 2, 2022 3:19:37 PM
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Now it seems, even no chance in BHNI. I am sad. :( Quaaaacckk!!
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December 2, 2022 3:59:59 PM
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I have only 1 account. So only 1 BHNI I applied. Even capital is also 10lac I have. Lot of money in Long term portfolio, previous IPOs(some in huge gain, and some in huge loss) and Buybacks. I only watch SME, but did not apply. SME are risky and extremely good SMEs have subscription 100x, 150x etc. No meaning to apply in them for me.
@ Dinesh Singh.. all the best 1bhni is confirmed for u.. and it will open in green I feel. Did u applied in any of recent sme..or bought amro today ? @ ducckyduck. It's good to see that u r still enjoying in ur comfort zone. Sme is all different game .. is like a rollercoaster ride... U need to b alert everytime. We are doing it from last one and half year and sometime suddenly wake up late night imagine LC on our script. Lolz
@Noorul..I feel Uniparts will give at least 20% listing gain...I applied in all recent SME...not bought AMCO today ...not convinced with the valuation...but will try other good SME if not alloted.. All the best for your 2 SHNI application hear...
@Dineshs.. thanks hopefully I get 1 in allotment... Amco circuit was looking strong today hopefully it will survive t+2 session.. Anyways congratulations to u for becoming Ipo Guru..
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December 3, 2022 12:00:14 AM
IPO Mentor (500+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
No! It is lottery :>1 out of 14. 15x~ SHNI means for every 14 lots there is 14+ applications. App wise would be almost same to amount wise as people are more aware and apply minimal lots as per many BOA!
@Aavi @CB thanks for this information. Could you please tell me is it beneficial in any way if some one applies for more than 14 lots? Suppose had I applied for 20 lots, would that have increased my chances of allotment?
@Aman, After new rules in SHNI implemented a couple of months back, as soon as the issue oversubscribed in SHNI category by more applicant (the number of person who applied in SHNI category, regardless of how many lots they applied for) than the number of lots reserved for SHNI category then it's a lottery.
For example if UNIPARTS have 5000 lots reserved in SHNI category and 15000 person applied in it (after rejections) then 5000 person will get 1 lot each.
No need to cross finger. You should get BHAR BHAR KEY (Except shni or unless there is a technical rejection) Ya finger cross applicable as far as listing is concerned.
Which UPI App is mapped to your SBI account? I use SBI + Bhim and that is reliable, never faced issue and mandate coming within minutes of application via Zerodha. Did you receive application email from Reliance? Also check the correctness of UPI address and the UPI App you are checking in. One account mapped to multiple UPI may confuse.
If the issue is continue then why are you not pulling the broker?
Sir, Better to apply a bit early (at least by second day)... Plz Don't wait till last minute, because there is chances for technical glitches... For payment you have time till 5 pm on last day.. Payment You can do according to subscription figure..
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December 2, 2022 10:45:38 PM
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Is It Possible To Apply with Funds Available in Sweep-in FD also? Cause it will be Helpful to Shift to BHNI.... Especially in Kotak and SBI?
Ah!! Mistake, has assumed 5 applications. It is one application so either 0 or 1 is the chance. In rare case 2 also possible depends upon application wise subscription.
5 lot /4.6 (subcribe)= 1 lot confrim??then How allotments works??
370.5. antarix| Link| Bookmark|
December 2, 2022 7:17:26 PM
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@Meetborsadiya: No, this does not work like that. Here, one out of 4.6 (or 10 out of 46 applicants) will be allotted one lot through lottery, irrespective of number of lots applied (1 to 13).
@Meetborsadiya - The lottery has no logic that one fellow has applied 5 lots so give one to him/her is subscription time is 5 times. Suppose you applied 5 lot one application and I applied 5 different application with one lot each. So if there were only 5 lots available then you can get max 1 and min 0, but I will get min 4 and max 5. Every application has equal chance. Same thing happens in real allotment also and if App wise the subscription is 5 times then you stand chance of 1 out of 5 for example. But don't expect more than 1 lot as app wise it is more than 1x for sure. Applying more lots in highly subscribed IP will have almost no impact. In case of Unipart I estimate app wise 3 times as due to less subscription number many would have applied more than 1 lot. So 1 out of every 3 retail should get allotment, very good ratio and lot of people will share good news on day of allotment. Cheers! Hope you get lucky as well.