Tarsons Products - For those who care beyond the GMP (based on FY21 consolidated financials & post-money (top end of the price band)):
Tax Adj. RoCE (%): 20.5% RoE (%): 25.6%
EV / Revenue (X): 15.0x EV / EBITDA (X): 33.2x P / E (X): 51.1x
Good industry, great company, decent growth in COVID era, great financials and a GREAT GREAT VALUATION, as well! 50x P/E for a medico supplies company which has no product, R&D, patent or scientific moat is a bit over the top for me. Comparison with leading international players in the prospectus is misleading as those are global, multi billion dollar companies with true scientific moat.
I mean, if one has to really play the story of the aging of the Indian population then there are cheaper priced pharma companies with decent return metrics, more expensively priced but better on return metrics diagnostic companies, cheaper priced but not as good in return metrics hospital companies. And 2 of these 3 categories (except pharma due strong performance during COVID times) are pretty much secular growth for the foreseeable future. Hence, whilst everything is great for this Company I feel its just too dearly priced and also I see it slowing down massively in growth as COVID has receded. The business generates good cash and hence the issue is mostly secondary with very little primary - this is not as much a concern except for the fact that the secondary sale is being done at peak valuation based on peak financial performance - perfect timing some would say!
Now to the debate of Tarson vs GoColors for self-funded HNI''s:
As is evident, I''m no fan of both these businesses at these valuations on a fundamental basis. But If I must apply to enjoy the listing pop, then based on a GMP of 200 for Tarsons / 425 for GoColors and HNI subscription of 150x for Tarsons / 300x for GoColors, gross absolute gains in INR terms are nearly the same for both. Hence, for those who stayed away from LVA, Tarsons is a must apply and for those who did apply in LVA, GoColors is a must apply because in this current frenzy both these companies may deliver a listing pop despite already being generously priced! Keep minting!
Also, you should mention that Tarsons has just 6 employees in "R&D and Engineering" and just 6 in "Quality Control" .... An average of ONE of each per plant 🤣
I shall flip when it stabilizes post listing.
86.3. M.K.| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 1:38:47 AM
(300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
I tried posting a twitter link about a series of tweets about Tarsons... Makes for good reading. The Admin didn''t let the twitter link through.
I guess you all can search for it by the IPO name.
off topic query... I hold a few allotted lots of Aditya Birla AMC and cartrade. Should I buy more to average. If yes at what price it is safe to buy and average Aditya Birla AMC and Cartrade respectively??
85.1. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
November 15, 2021 5:42:55 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 2100+ Likes)
Start averaging CarTrade. The company is doing everything correct what it needs to do. Nothing wrong with the business or management. Just sluggishness in the auto sector and too much holding in retail hands. I hope it won''t break 1100 and it fell without any reason. If you see the Shareholding pattern then FII added, DII maintained and only decreased by Retailers which is good sign.
@Avenue: Automobile sector will be down for next 2 quarters till Semi conductor problem is solved. Instead of averaging Car Trade now, buy some high flying stocks to get better returns
Definitely there will be turn around in Automobile sector and you can average Cartrade.
Just my perspective, differs from person to person and risk reward also matters
Avoid cartrade at all cost...its a falling sword..i too hold it since ipo allotment
85.4. sdz| Link| Bookmark|
November 15, 2021 6:38:34 PM
IPO Guru (1200+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
@Avenue...AB AMC i sold some at 700, 685 & 660 but buying them back after 20-30rs fall is just reducing my breakeven but not helping to come out as it is still in downtrend. It''s results and business is decent but it looks like a dull candidate trading with low volumes. If you average here and it''ll be dangerous if it goes below 600. So we need to be careful averaging falling knives when in downtrend 🥴
Exit cartrade as petrol desal car may become outdated as many company launching poweful electric car soon which can give upto 400 km in single recharge and rising petrol price forcing lackluster auto demand too IMO
85.6. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
November 15, 2021 7:45:39 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 2100+ Likes)
@Cautious IPO haven''t heard much idiotic than your rationale. I doubt you even know business model of CarTrade and you got Mentor tag😂😂😂
View expressed is my own ..which can be prove wrong .... Movement of next few weeks may decide fate of cartrade although i exit the day before its start tumbling one way ....may drift to below 4 digit ... Don''t eager or interested for any tag too.....
@jetha Lal... your answer to my query is perfect and your response to other member suggestion may also be right, but not the choice of words. We all should politely agree to disagree. Coming back to main topic, give your suggestion about Aditya Birla AMC, which seems to be performing worse than Cartrade...
85.9. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 12:44:37 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
Whenever this cartrade question comes from anyone, I just remind of that movie dialogue always : "This question hurts me" 😀
@ lokes.. what i remember.. at a time of listing of car trade.. few people sledge me becaz i predict one night before that car trade share will go down.. exit as ASAP. Few people started arguing me that it will go up to 2200 level with in few days .. dat time i replied them for this you have to wait for the half of your life.. dat was just a statement i made in that heat of moment.. but its looks like my words comes true.. anywys i immediately exit on listing day.. with 2000rs token money loss.. and i never saw those guys again in this forum..
85.11. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 1:23:25 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@noorul : I accept I was also proved wrong in this ☹️ never thought of this going this much down and that too one way except one bounce. Reasons might be many like whole auto sector is not doing good and didn''t participated in nifty rally in last 6 months and there are so many second hand car dealing companies so tuff competition, everyday I am seeing so many Ads in TV for other companies like OLX auto, droom, cars24 etc but didn''t saw about cartrade.
Regarding AB AMC atleast I was sure that it will go down after listing and same thing happening. I didn''t applied there. Both of these became very dull shares.
i want to apply for this ipo through Angel One where i have opened my demat account. i do not find net banking tab there except upi and vpa tab. please guide me. Thanks. i do ot have upi or vpa ids. please help me
@Nusrat Gafoor Through broker you can apply using UPI mode only, Else go to your net banking and apply ASBA application with providing PAN and Angel broking demat details.
hello forum members, i am super new to ipo''s. my first application was for nykaa in the retail segment, i applied one lot and got allotted, i sold it for around 2200. my question to you today is regarding allotment in the retail segment during oversubscription, at what multiple does the subscription in retail becomes a lottery system. for example a stock is subscribed 3X in rii and if i apply for 12 lots, will i get around 4 lots ?. i know that during a slight oversubscription, allotment is done using pro-rata and applicants tend to get at least 1 lot plus more lots according to how many lots they have applied.
No, it means that there are at least 3 people to get 1 lot... You have to be very lucky to get that 1 lot. Anything more than 1 lot in oversubscribed IPOs means unnecessary blocking money.
You may get more than 1 lot in IPOs subscribed less than 1 time, but it happens rarely...
You can get more than 1 lot if shares are left after giving one lot to every applicant. It depends on number of applicants. In a issue subscribed 2-3 times chances of getting more shares exist.
Dear forum members please tell me that can I apply an ipo from two different demat account by using hdfc asba for one account and other by google pay linked to the same hdfc savings account Thanks in advance
One demat account is mine and other is of mother so can I apply in my demat account through asba and my mother''s account through upi linked to the same hdfc account which is joint a/c account with my wife with myself as first holder
You can apply for a UPI application for your mother''s Demat account, but it would be a third-party UPI application. I got an allotment in 3rd party UPI application, so should not be an issue.
hello, eagleye, Please send your suggestion daily in the group about every IPO''s. Your GMP is perfect all the time. So please active & help to investors.