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64. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | April 22, 2010 1:38:16 AM
ANOTHER IPO ON LINES OF SHREE GANESH JEWELLERY N GOENKA DIAMAONDS

PREMIUM INVESTMENT SAYS AVOID
Look for “better value” elsewhere



Talwalkars Better Value Fitness is entering the capital market on 21st April 2010, with a public issue of Rs.60.50 lakh equity shares of Rs.10 each, in the band of Rs.123 to Rs.128 per share. Thank god, atleast band is quite narrow with range of just Rs.5.



Talwalkar is a known name in Mumbai city for operating gymnasium, but is it worth Rs.300 crores of market capitalization or Rs.360 crores, of enterprise value? This is in the backdrop of the promoters of the company, operating about 11 gyms under the similar brand in their closely held companies and 13 gyms operated by the rival factions of the Talwalkar family. This is also, asking for an average valuation of Rs.4.25 crores per gym, against estimated cost of Rs.1.86 crores, for setting up a new gym.



The company is presently having 58 health clubs, in 28 cities of 12 states and is now planning to set up 27 new owned health clubs, with each, costing Rs.1.86 crores. The company also intends to mobilize Rs.20.60 crores, for repayment of part of its unsecured loans, which were at Rs.31.33 crores, as at 31-12-09. So exit is given to JV and Associates by repaying their loans from IPO proceeds.



The present equity base of the company is quite high at Rs.18.07 crores, which will rise to Rs.24.12 crores, post IPO. Infact, company issued shares at Rs.158.19 and Rs.222 per share (adjusted for FV of Rs.10) on 12-01-06 and 07-12-07. Even on 05-10-09, Shares were issued at Rs.635 per share, to the promoters of the company. So to compensate them, the company has issued bonus shares in the ratio of 7 shares for every 1 share held. Now that is what one can ‘better value’!



Coming on its financials, for FY09, it had a topline of Rs.59.42 crores, with PAT at Rs.5.69 crores, which has been its best ever performance, resulting in an EPS of Rs.3.15, on its present equity base. For 9 months ending Dec.09, total income was at Rs.48.82 crores, with PAT at Rs.4.29 crores, giving an annualized EPS of Rs.3.15 only. This indicates a fall in its margin in the current year with not much increase in its topline.



If we take an average issue price at Rs.125 per share, share is being issued at a PE multiple of about 40 times and at a PBV of 5.50 times. Even topline is being multiplied by over 5.50 times, on its EV basis. Asking for a valuation of Rs.4.25 crores per health club is exorbitant. This kind of valuations would not have been justified, even for a company having over 250 gyms or expected to have a market cap of over Rs.1,500 crores. So how this can be valid and justified for a mid size company like this?



Advise to look for value elsewhere and not to spoil your health by joining this IPO.

63. IPOEXPERT |   Link |  Bookmark | April 22, 2010 1:22:40 AM
company has huge debt in books. also asking price of 4.86 crore per gym is too much on 1.86 core investment. has the property gone doubled?

those who compare it with cox and kings and jubilant are foolish.
as one can say one has to eat food but he can do without gym. morever cox and kings and jubilant have international presence.

talwalkars are using money to expnad in tier2 and tier3. i would ask everyone how many people in tier2 and tier3 cities go to gym.also there is so much competition in gyms so many local gyms all around why would anyone spend money on these costly gyms.jubiliant do not have much competitors except pizza hut.

stay away they will use your money to pay debt and buy property. very bad in bad market condition it can go to half of issue price




However, even with repayment of debt as a result of the offer, there does not appear to be much room for improvement in margins. For one, expansion beyond FY11 will require additional funding. Should debt fund expansion, leverage and interest costs will rise again. Two, given the asset-heavy business, depreciation costs are unlikely to wane.

62. IPOExpert |   Link |  Bookmark | April 22, 2010 1:14:30 AM
personally i will never apply in this ipo and aks everyone to stay away .
60 crore turnover and 5 crore profits asking for price of 123 is not justified anyway.

i dont see the stock opening up so one can take a call on listing.
there could be negative sentiment in market when it lists in May and history tells us ipo have not done well in may.
you can easily get at 20% discount on opening
61. Arpit |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 10:58:13 PM
Guys Talwarkar Valuation looks streched but check the kind of expension plan they have...this is apart form the all information provided in the space..

The health club chain has also decided to launch its own brand of organic food in association with a local company called Urja, which already makes such foods under its own brand.

Besides, there are further plans of launching an apparel brand under the brand of Talwalkars. The products would include gym wear, sportswear and casual wear, and would be initially sold at its own gyms before being made available to other retailers.

Talwalkars is also planning to approach companies to get into the area of consultancy and corporate gym management.

Pantaloon, Talwalkars embark on cross-marketing of brands

it can be a candidate for the quick money..Promoters are well known As info shared by Mr prince... Many brokerge houses are also recommending this issue... like reliance money.. i also thing.. it can be good bet for short term... and later when price action is over on the stock good bet for long term..
60. gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 10:16:28 PM
PRINCE.

ITS A GOOD CO GOOD BUSINES, AND RICH VALN....
RAMESH DAMANI, ADI GODREJ AND OTHERS ARE ALLOTED PRE-IPO SHARES, GLEN SALDANA OF GLENMARK IS ON THE BOARD......
ITS ON SIMILAR LINE LIKE JUBLIANT, COX ETC MEANS NO COMPARABLE PEERS...... SO ITS DIFFICULT TO VALUE....

APPLY IN THIS IPO SURE IT WILL TOUCH 150+ ON LISTING
APPLY IN SJVN IF COMES CLOSURE TO NHPC MARKET PRICE



59. DINESH BARTWAL |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 9:09:00 PM
if there is discount of rs 20 in share then it may open down so be cautious and wait till last day
58. operator play |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 8:00:56 PM
The GMP is 20 rs discount, but 1 lackh rs form is being bought for 1800 rs. This morning only I meet an agent who was ready to buy my form for 1800 rs. Surely looks like operator play on listing...
57. KMFS |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 7:30:47 PM
Overall Subscription is just 0.0300 in first day.
56. JAIPRAKASH |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 5:54:16 PM
sir g ish ipo main paisa lagaya jaye ya nahi pls reply me
pls pls pls pls pls
55. neha |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 5:17:27 PM
prince, yeh sub gumrah karne ki baat hai...galti se bhi yeh ..TALWARKAR.. ke ipo mein paisa maat lagana...woh log ..talwar le kar taiyar hai bakra dhoondh rahe hai....
54. PRINCE |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 4:50:23 PM
HI ,GEM IPO FINDER

SIR, TALWARKAR KA PRIMIUM 20+ CHAL RAHA HAI YA 20-(DISCOUNT)ME CHAL RAHA HAI?

PLEASE REPLY SIR.. I AM VERRY CONFUSED.....

PRINCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
53. Guest |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 4:43:19 PM
Heard Talwalkar GMP is at Rs.20 discount. Another high P/E debacle on cards?

52. munna |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 2:53:47 PM
why we apply 50+pe,only for spequlation, can earn may loss but 50+ pe is very very high, grey market is showing issue will subscribe more then 15 time
51. gem ipo finding |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 1:44:00 PM

We can wait till last day. See the demand than can decide on applying to this IPO. Remember this is grade 1 issue.
50. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 1:16:49 PM
Great news.Intrasoft to anounce an interim dividend n results for march quarter on 28 april 2010.

EPS shud be 9 rs in march 2011 implying greta growth n aprice of 180-200.no wonder intel capital is still invested.
49. NewBee |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 1:16:06 PM
RE-POST
gmp of talwalkar is 20-22 (discount)
48. NewBee |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 1:13:52 PM
gmp of talwalkar is 20-22
47. TR |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 12:37:29 PM
I HOPE PEOPLE USE THERE BRAINS AND NOT APPLY THINKING THIS CAN BE MANIPULATED.

THIS STOCK IS AVAILABLE AT 50+ P/E IF MARKETS GET NEGATIVE BY THE TIME IT LISTS THEN FAIR PRICE WOULD BE DISCOVERED AT 20 P/E SO THIS STOCK WOULD TANK BELOW 60 RS.
TEACH THE PROMOTERS A LESSON AS YOU DID FOR SHREE GANESH JEWELLERY SHICH THOUGH GOT SUBSCRIBED.
I THINK PEOPLE MIGHT THIS SUBSCRIBED TOO AND PROMOTERS WOULD BE LUCKY AS MARKET IS STILL HOLDING.
THIS IS NOT A FOREIGN BRAND LIKE COX AND KINGS OR DOMINOS AS THEY CAN COMMAND HIGH VALUATION
46. shibin |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 12:08:13 PM
@ 38 and 40...excellant job ravi..keep it up...
45. NewBee |   Link |  Bookmark | April 21, 2010 8:20:14 AM
i understand that the past issues of iifl were profit making but im not fully convinced that this issue is worth investing in....i believe that past performance is not an indicator for future performance...does anyone have any solid reason to invest in this ipo?