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190. Simran Preet Singh Wahi |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 3:46:02 PM
Can a stock be shorted for more than one day ? I use ICICIdirect and they told me that the stock can only be shorted for one day.
Can we short a stock after closure of IPO before listing?
189. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 1:43:15 PM

ET MUMBAI: India’s first Indian Depository Receipts by Standard Chartered sailed through with the issue being subscribed over 2.2 times on the last day.

Till Thursday, the issue had seen subscription of only 26% but a string of FIIs, local mutual funds and corporates stepped in a few hours before the closure to save the day for the British bank which will raise over Rs 2,400 crore from the offering.

“The response from the investors have been awesome given that this was a new instrument and investors had to put in 100% of the application money upfront and a very difficult market condition. It was also difficult for domestic investors to do a comparison with StanChart,” said Jaspal Bindra, group executive director and chief executive officer, Asia, Standard Chartered.

This is the first issue where institutional investors had to bring in the complete bidding amount upfront rather than the earlier requirement of 10%. Investors were also wary because of volatile global markets since the start of the week.

A host of foreign institutions invested through participatory notes — instruments which allow offshore investors to trade in Indian stocks. These include CLSA, Credit Suisse and Swiss Finance Corporation with each putting in bids of around $80 million while RBS is said to have bid for around $70 million. SBI is said to have put in a bid of around Rs 100 crore, SBI Caps around Rs 60 crore, HDFC Bank around Rs 60 crore. Other big names who have invested in the issue include UBS ($70 million), Goldman Sachs ($50 million), Fortis ($20 million), Templeton, Reliance Industries, the Tata group, Adani, Videocon, Bank of India, Bank of Baroda, Union Bank, Deutsche Bank and Citi. Insurance companies stayed away from the issue because of investment regulations.

“Contrary to expectations there was generous bidding from FIIs. Many people had said that FIIs did not have any reason to invest,” said Bindra.

Though the IDRs were priced in a range of Rs 100 to Rs 115 most bids were between Rs 100 and Rs104. The IDR is likely to be priced at around Rs 104 and the issue is likely to be listed on June 11. Retail investors will be offered a 5% discount. Stanchart shares traded in the London Stock Exchange at £16.45 (Rs 1,110) on Friday. Ten IDRs represents one underlying share. The total value of the book was $1 billion. QIB book was oversubscribed at 4.4 times or $770 million, HNIs 1.9 times over $200 million and retail was subscribed only 0.22 times.

The bank had hired UBS, Goldman Sachs, JM Financial Consultants, DSP Merrill Lynch, Kotak Mahindra Capital and SBI Capital Markets to manage the offering.

Anchor investors led by Reliance Mutual Fund had picked 15% of the issue or 3.6 crore IDRs of the 24 crore IDRs on offer at Rs 104. Reliance Mutual Fund picked up 10.57 million shares, ICICI Prudential Mutual Fund bought 9.61 million shares, HDFC MF 6.03 million, Franklin Templeton 4.8 million, Birla MF 3.5 million and Sundaram MF 1.41 million. All these anchor investors have put in bids over and above their commitments.

After the initial response, bankers were expecting the issue to be oversubscribed by around 1.5 times. On being asked whether he was tensed on the issue failing he said: “We were not tensed. It was more a test of patience. Many of the investors had committed.”

Unlike normal shares which are traded in the exchange, IDRs are not subject to Securities Transaction Tax (STT) hence both long term and short term capital gains tax will be applicable. IDR holders will also have to pay tax on dividends as the dividend distribution tax is not paid by Standard Chartered. IDRs can be converted to shares with the consent of RBI after one year. However post such conversion investors will have to sell them within 30 days.
188. R.K |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 11:53:09 AM
Price fixed at 104, retailers price 99 rs., QIBs price 84 rs. 10% commition + 10% under taible discount, listing rate 85 to 90 qibs will book profit and retailers will book loses.
187. Reply to Newbie |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 10:02:42 AM
Dear Newbie,

You will get ZERO shares if the pice is discovered any thing above 100. As the discount is considered after the issue price decided.
186. mr.india |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 9:46:55 AM
no.184 Newbie, sorry, you have not receive any share. if you have applied.Rs.104/=
185. Natrajan,pune |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 9:23:57 AM
Power grid corporation has cancelled its fpo, according to p.G no need of fpo, 7.5 % divedent declard it will move up very fast in near future.
184. Newbie |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 6:05:10 AM
hello seniors,I applied for 1000 shares at rs100. if price is discovered at 104 I should still get after 5% discount the price will be around rs 99?
What is post issue modification period? In Standard chartered wealth managers ( my online broker) there is no option to modify bid
thanks
183. BROKERS LOOT |   Link |  Bookmark | May 29, 2010 12:24:25 AM
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182. honest |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 11:27:34 PM
under the table deal has been finalised with the qibs/ fund managers for 10% discount to get this issue bailed out.

Now fund managers have made money(under table), they know very well that the share is not worth rs. 100 they will try to dump the shares within seconds of listing.

the same was the game in IBPOWER and the same is the game here. IN IBPOW, the compant paid bribes to fund managers to subscribe the issue, but after listing all the allotees including Mutual Funds vwere hugh sellers. They are not even buying IBPOW @ 30/ and at that time they were ready to buy @ 45/- with 40 times oversubscription. all the power shares including ADANi, JSW, RPOWER have improved but not IBPOW. because fund managers know that they got 5-10 rs. bribe for alloted shares and the worth of shares was less than rs. 25/-, why should they buy even at 30/-.

now once again u will see that in STANCHART, fair value is 30% less than what is current market price at lse because of taxation issues,non fungibility, IDR management charges for dividend etc., no voting rights, no FII intrest, currency fluctuation, ban on various insurance companies to participate etc. Fund houses managers are bribed enough to subscribe the issue for their personal gains. but after listing no one will be buyer. u will see that the shares will list below par and over a period of time stanchart will touch Rs. 75 mark in indian markets.
181. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 10:39:40 PM
KMFS

U MAY NOT GET ANY SHARES AS THE PRICE DISCOVERED THROUGH BOOK BUILDING MAY BE HIGHER THAN 100, MAY BE 104, IN THAT CASE UR BID WILL BE REJECTED SO AFTER SEEING THE PRICE DISCOVERY BETTER STOP UR CHEQUE.
180. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 10:37:15 PM
Sahranpuri Ji,
Did you apply at cutoff?Issue will be decided at 104.Gem,what about you?What about other friends?Everything depends on markets,it is that simple.Instead of buying the share you can as well buy any good share eg Tata Steel(800 target in one year) in secondary market.Tax problem may prevent buyers trading in the share.So liquidity may be less.If there is indeed 33 percent short term capital gain why would anybody be interested in buying the share?As I had said earlier bought some shares at 4800.Now they have given 5-10 percent in 3 days then why go for useless IPOs .IPOs are getting such a heavy pasting more so big issues.Grey market it is showing discount.
179. KMFS |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 10:23:36 PM
I applied for 200 Share at Price 100

How much I will get ?

Please reply

bye
178. Anil |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 9:52:27 PM
As the sentiments is very poor in IPO Market and all recent big IPOs have listed at discount.

check urself adani power closed below issue price on listing
Cairn India closed below issue price

SJVNL below issue price

so infact most of the IPOs above 2000 crore have disappointed . same goes with Standard Chartered IDR too
177. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 9:04:37 PM
160 n 176 alibhoy n sreedhar i hv applied at last minute like rec after seeing the good oversubscription figures from qib.since full margin money was to be paid hence 4 times oversubscription in qib in this ipo is akin to 40 times erstwhile ipo figure.

lets see how things pan out.

whats your take n any idea about premium if any
176. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 8:27:11 PM
OK decent subscription.Good chance of listing gains.All the best for those who have applied.Issue price will be fixed at 104 as 43.69 Cr bids came at that price.
175. mr.india |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 7:58:46 PM
ye FPO jaisa hi hai. ye LANDAN STOCK EXCHANGE me listed hai. RETAIL WALA nahi bharega to use koi ferk nahi padega.

listing gain jarur hoga......
174. AMAR LAL KHANDELWAL |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 7:38:57 PM
jinhone yeh IPO nahi lagaya hai wo gaccha kha gaye.kyonki firm allotment aayega kyonki retail wlaon ne nahi lagayi isliye yeh IPO 150/= SE UPPER LISTING HOGA
173. bUBALOO |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 7:28:08 PM
Issue will be fixed at Rs . 104/- Hence Retail Investor's will get at Rs. 99/-// Listing should be in the range of 110-115 Rs. Hence A clear-cut gain of 10-15 per cent on Application money .. SIDHI BAAT NO BAKWAS .
Thanx,
Regards,
See you on Listing day.
172. Rama |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 7:14:22 PM
Manoj, 85 pay humsay kitnay share buy karogay listing 70 pay hogi.
171. manoj jain |   Link |  Bookmark | May 28, 2010 7:09:19 PM
Another NMDC JP Infra SJVN Nitesh Tarapur etc in the making with such a low or poor subscription. However it will be a very good buy if we get this share in secondry mkt around 85 level