200. anantagg| Link| Bookmark|
June 22, 2021 4:11:47 AM
Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Guys I''m from Auto Parts Industry. This company is very much overvalued. So don''t expect long term return. They have a very high PE/Ratio, EV/EBITDA and PB/Ratio. Why are people expecting returns on this kind of share. Its just that a FII is a promoters its doesnt mean that the company is good. Please check the financial and fundamental of the company.
Anirudh Patel, Anchor investors and M.F. investors bids after some deal they have done thru lead managers. After all fund managers make bids with other person''s money.
200.3. anantagg| Link| Bookmark|
June 22, 2021 12:24:04 PM
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Yes they are mad. It’s just that Blackstone are the promoters that’s why they applied. If I’m not wrong then Blackstone mangers assets worth more than 200-300 billion dollar around the world.
Blackstone bought COMSTAR auto 2-3 years ago at 5X Multiple of EBITDA and the IPO is at 40-50X multiple of EBITDA.
@Anant, The news is just about Blackstone acquiring Comstar but this company that came with IPO includes both Sona and Comstar and it has 9 manufacturing facilties in India, US, China, Mexico whereas Comstar has only 2.
Dmart, Dixon, Indiamart when listed before 2 to 3 yrs ago have given more than 8-10 fold return from its IPO price, do u mean all these investors are mad as well who invested in IPO and you are super intelligent. Just making 10 times return by Blackstone does not mean the company is not good. It is into future which is into EV. Its EV revenue increased from 25 cr to 240 cr (close to 10 times growth) in just 1 yr (FY19 to FY20). Global EV will grow at a CAGR of 36% from FY21 to FY25 as per Crisil report. So the opportunity that lies in front of this company is huge and obviously that lead to superb profits there by making the company look cheap in the future. Remember market is always forward looking.
Note: This comes under ESG sector. Blackstone had only sold half its stake and the remaining stake (33% post issue) it will keep for long term. One more interesting thing is only Blackstone has offered its shares via OFS and not a single share by promoter of the company which tells volumes about the confidence promoters have in this company.
@anant ji आप अभी तक कहाँ थे? अब तो जो होना था हो गया ।क्या सभी दिए गए आँकड़े गलत हैं? मात्र महंगा कहना प्रर्याप्त नही है। कोई भी अपने शेयर को सस्ता क्यों बेचेगा, यदि उसमे कोई दम है तो। सभी प्रमोटर अधिक से अधिक भाव रखने की कोशिश करते है,जिसमें सरकार भी सम्मिलित है। कल के विषय मे कोई नही जानता,क्या Dixon,irctc,cams के भाव का पता था ,नही । अब सब भविष्य पर छोड़ दिजिए। यश अपयश,जीवन मृत्यु, लाभ हानि सब विधि हाथ 🙏
@anant ji आप अभी तक कहाँ थे? अब तो जो होना था हो गया ।क्या सभी दिए गए आँकड़े गलत हैं? मात्र महंगा कहना प्रर्याप्त नही है। कोई भी अपने शेयर को सस्ता क्यों बेचेगा, यदि उसमे कोई दम है तो। सभी प्रमोटर अधिक से अधिक भाव रखने की कोशिश करते है,जिसमें सरकार भी सम्मिलित है। कल के विषय मे कोई नही जानता,क्या Dixon,irctc,cams के भाव का पता था ,नही । अब सब भविष्य पर छोड़ दिजिए। यश अपयश,जीवन मृत्यु, लाभ हानि सब विधि हाथ 🙏
Yes of course, if there are buyers you can sell at any moment.
198. Rafiq| Link| Bookmark|
June 24, 2021 11:50:02 AM
IPO Mentor (500+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
Remember, I told at the time of Antony, Gland pharma and this time for Sona.. Perfect analysis bring good result. You can check my comments on Message Board, Now Sona up 23%.
You are correct, we applied 9 applications alloted all profit 3.80 lakhs in gland same happend in SONA 9 applied but small quantity but profit one lakh
I just now realised that this company belongs to Sanjay Kapoor (Husband of actress Karishma Kapoor). Bhai he is very business minded person. Ye Sone pe (Sona) pe suhaga hai. KAl firse circuit be ready....
Lukewarm participation from NII and good response from QIB are blessings in disguise for the retail applicants.Chances of allotment are high. Only the risk taking investors are advised to apply. I made multiple applications each for 1 lot. Optimistic about medium to long term gain.
I also did the same mistake of applying only 1 lot🙈. Should have applied with full force.
195.3. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
June 24, 2021 12:40:24 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
your analysis is correct but you yourself is not confident of your analysis so applied only for 1 lot and in last post you said : I made multiple applications each for 1 lot
Yes. I made 5 multiple applications but each for 1 lot only. Got allotted in all the 5, But I could have applied for maximum lots available under retail for each of the 5 applications. Gain would have been mind boggling.
195.5. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
June 24, 2021 2:16:03 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
As I read news and the promotor is same person, the promoter is a third class person earning money by forcing wife to sleep with friends on her suhagrat. Cannot think good for such people.
Even allegations made against Bill Gate and others. Stock Market dont run this way. Recently, Bezos got divorced due to reason only known to them. Watch movie Wolf of Wall Street and you will get to know, how colorful, anyones life can be.
192.3. Chem cho| Link| Bookmark|
June 24, 2021 1:18:21 PM
IPO Guru (2600+ Posts, 2700+ Likes)
in sona now from 7 laks shares buy in upper cucuit it went to 6 lakhs share but now at 12.11 pm the some world markets have opened and i see more than 10 laks share are buyer in upper curcit so now it is almost certain curcuit may not open time 12.12 24/06/21 my graph view has changed sorry for the miscalculation
192.4. Have Faith| Link| Bookmark|
June 24, 2021 1:34:19 PM
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Invested 2 lakhs in this IPO got Rs.50000 notional profit as of now (still holding). Will keep for mid/long term.
I have posted a message on June 16th and posting again for the benefit of this forum:-
If market is stable or rises from today till listing we can expect min 10% listing gain. Only worry is market should NOT be down by more than 5% at the time of listing.
My reasons are as below:- 1. There will be lot of demand (more buyers) but limited supply(less sellers) as it is not subscribed fully in HNI category and max 2 times in Retail category and lot of demand of QIB and FIIs. (Ideally HNIs and Retailers sell in panic or invest for just listing gains). QIB will be subscribed close to 4 times (already 3.5 times) 2. Very niche company catering to EV industry which is future. Sales are expected to rise by 5 times in next 5 years. Lot of headroom for this company to capture this. 3. Diversified niche offerings and caters to different geographies. 4. 75% revenue comes from exports mainly to USA, Europe and India. 5. Wonderful clients and long term relationships. 6. EV growth will be spectacular in India in next 5 yrs because of FAME subsidies. 7. It caters to all segments of road transport PV, CV, 2W, 3W. 8. Industry leading Operating profit i.e EBITDA, PAT, OPM, NIM 9. Industry leading ROE and ROCE. 10. Nil debt after IPO. As of now D/E is 0.3 which is very low. 11. Revenue has grown 36% CAGR from FY18-FY21. 12. EBITDA has grown 37% CAGR from FY18-21. 13. Adjusted PAT has grown 39% CAGR over same period. 14. Consistent R&D spend that helps to maintain technology edge. 15. Richly valued but for reasons mentioned above. 16. Remember Dmart, Dixon, Indiamart which are richly valued because of specific reasons.
Yes. People believe in GMP only and not the business/product portfolio. I made mistake in gland pharma n angel. But not in Anupam n Sona blw.
Gland pharma was costly at 1490 but trading at 3100 now. Dmart was always costly even on listing day at 610 but trading at 3100 now. Understanding the business is important. PE is not an issue for investors. They r ready to pay high.