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238. ipoking |   Link |  Bookmark | July 27, 2010 9:22:47 AM
SKS IPO should be flat avoid now........
look at the greed...they said in an interview that they would price around 636.....and now its 985.....difference of 349/=....Yeven difference is more than EIL issue price.........go for EIL.........
237. pnc |   Link |  Bookmark | July 27, 2010 8:39:10 AM
hi,gem ipo finder & shreedherbhai
sir,eil or sks micro in dono mese kounse ipo me paisa laghana chahiye listing gain ke liye? fpo me apply karne se jyada market se shares kharid na kaisa rahega..
236. K.K.Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | July 27, 2010 6:39:48 AM
Dear Sreedhar,
I dint expect the SKS promoters to be so greedy. It seems encouraged by the huge positive response of their road show they have got to this stage. I still hold Technofab allotted in the primary market. As for as the secondary market, I came out and reentered yesterday. Am I doing something wrong?
235. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | July 27, 2010 12:59:49 AM
SKS Microfinance public issue too expensive, say analysts


Retail investors get a discount of Rs50 and one day more than institutional buyers to subscribe to the offer
Pramit Bhattacharya



Mumbai: SKS Microfinance Ltd, India’s largest microfinance institution (MFI), will sell 16.7 million shares from Wednesday and has priced its initial public offering (IPO) at between Rs850 and Rs985 a share. Analysts say the shares are too expensive for the industry, which makes loans to the unbanked poor.

The lower end of the price band is a 33.7% premium to the Rs635.58 per share at which SKS chairman Vikram Akula sold nearly 950,000 shares to Tree Line Asia Master Fund (Singapore) Pte Ltd in April.

The share sale includes an offer to sell 9.3 million shares of some existing shareholders—Sequoia Capital India II Llc and an assortment of SKS trusts— and a fresh issue of 7.4 million shares. At the lower end of the price band, the combined share sale would raise Rs1,420 crore.

Retail investors get a discount of Rs50 and one day more than institutions to subscribe to the offer. The offer closes on 31 July for institutional investors and on 2 August for retail investors. At Rs850 a share, the implied valuation for the firm is 3.8 times post-issue book value (net worth) and 35 times the earnings of fiscal 2010, which appears quite expensive, said Pankaj Agarwal, analyst at the UK-based investment advisory firm Execution Noble.

SKS, which counts Infosys Technology Ltd chairman N.R. Narayana Murthy and Indian-American venture capitalist Vinod Khosla among its shareholders, is the first entity of its kind to sell shares in India.

In a 23 July note, Execution Noble’s Agarwal said though global MFIs are trading at 3.5-4.5 times book value, they have had a much longer operating history and higher returns on equity (RoE) of 30-45%. In comparison, SKS has an RoE of 21.5%.

“The pricing seems to be on the higher side,” said Tejas Doshi, vice-president, research, at Mumbai-based brokerage firm Sushil Financial Services Ltd.

To be sure, SKS has managed its margins well and its bad loans are capped at 0.33%. In the last two fiscals, its profit grew by 116% and 329%, respectively.

“Whilst cost to income ratio of SKS has come down from 79% in FY07 to 52%, it is primarily driven by increased loan ticket size rather than operating leverage in the business model,” Agarwal wrote.

“Doubtlessly, it is an expensive issue, given the risks and uncertainty associated with the microfinance industry”, said Apurva Shah, head of research at Prabhudas Lilladher Pvt Ltd.

MFIs face risks such as limited ability to leverage, regulatory clampdowns and unusual credit risks that could lead to collective defaults by a large number of borrowers. They also find it difficult to leverage beyond five times their balance sheet values since banks and regulators may not be comfortable with a higher degree of leverage, Agarwal wrote in the note.

Experts say the industry is yet to evolve in India, making it difficult to rely on the high growth rates and low bad loan percentages. The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) does not allow MFIs, which are registered as non-banking financial companies, to raise deposits. They typically face interest costs of 9-12% and operating expenses of 15-18%.

This makes it “difficult for MFIs to raise margins”, said Abizer Diwanji, director and head of financial services at consulting firm KPMG. It also leads to high lending rates of up to 30% that MFIs charge their customers, who are among India’s poorest wage earners.

“The only way to get commercial capital is to be not just profitable, but extremely profitable,” Akula had recently told Mint. “If you are making 57% after cost of capital, what does it matter to you if the loan is 28% or 36%?”

But this might not be sustainable, especially with state governments and RBI frowning upon the high rates.

A bigger risk that could upset calculations is the unusual credit risk involving mass defaults by borrowers. A decree issued by some religious leaders to not pay back the loans taken from MFIs caused mass defaults in Kolar district of Karnataka last year. Political protests were also staged in Andhra Pradesh against MFIs.

Such instances could become more common as MFIs scale up their operations, unless they lower their charges, Diwanji said

Mass defaults have been a recurrent feature in several countries that saw aggressive growth in microfinance loan portfolios in the previous three-four years, said a February report by Consultative Group to Assist the Poor, a research organization.

The sector also faces the problem of multiple lenders lending to the same borrower, which would impact asset quality of MFIs several years down the line.


234. mehta |   Link |  Bookmark | July 27, 2010 12:05:40 AM
strong buy mahindra finance
233. milinds |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 10:35:23 PM
Hey setu,
Thank you very much for making us aware of "other side" of this IPO.
Pl note i have lot of respect for views from Ravi bangalore,Shredhar,Gem ipo finder, Mr Natarajan, MrSaharanpuriji, wise owl perth &ajay.
I am in IPO MARKRT more than 10 years, but i had not applied for some of best IPO like Educomp, REC., jublint, ARSS, goderej prop,since all these IPOS were at" very high pe " according to most of the analyst.
Before setu's post, i dint want apply for "SKS" but now I may for this IPO
Thank you once again all of you for having detail anlysis of this IPO
milinds
milinds
232. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 10:20:43 PM
dear ds,
You have got a chance to make merry in SKS like HMVL.
231. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 10:18:41 PM
ds,
it will be about 1 time and thereabouts in retail .
230. setu jain |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 9:53:05 PM
Dear Vishal there is downside risk to anything....a 5-10% correction will not deter...SKS...there were currections in the time of jubiliant also but see the returns of the IPO...i mean i am not comparing it with sks....but the point is good quality IPOs are few and generally missed by retail investor...because he has little visibility or knowledge of picking stocks based on future returns...5-10% correction didnt deter the market to bounce back to new high....yes if bank failures happen in US....then it will definitely not give gains......but i expect that scenario to play it in october post september quarter..earnings....if it may happen....before that we have to peak first to enable a crash....remember 2008 there was a frenzy that took index to 21000..and then it corrected,....we have not made that bubble yet and fairly priced at current levels......I mean 30 PE is not the criteria to measure SKS.......Name one company that has delievered faboulous results...and available cheap.....I mean if this IPO would have been priced at 650-700 as public wanted...i would have changed my decision of not applying...because it would have meant that the promoters do not forsee....100%+ CAGR growth and thus are desperate to raise money....but thats not the case........

See vishal..it has doubled its EPS every year so if you see FY11 and FY12....eps comes out even if u take conservative 70% YOY ...comes out to 60 and 100...that implies PE of 15 and 9 in FY11 and FY12.....

Remember market disounts future earnings expectations and not current earnings in stock price of a share....Thats why u see Infosys stock rises and falls because of guidance in future earnings and not because of what earnings it reported......

I am sorry to give so much gyan ..but i wanted to ....end this anxiety of poeple who are cribbing about high PE.

You know jubikliant came out with IPo at 39 times PE at Rs 140 but went...on to score Rs. 420 and still is hovering between 250-350..that is way beyond IPO price....So invest in microfinance story as the sector itself is growing at ferocious pace just like education sector.
229. ds |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 9:33:27 PM
dear sreedhar,it is very difficult to guess how many time sks will be sub. in retail,but if u can kdly guess...
228. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 9:23:13 PM
Dear prince,
don't worry.We can recognise asli from nakli.
227. Nishant |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 9:18:22 PM
CAN ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA_____?
HOW MANY TIMES SKS MICROFINANCE WILL SUBSCRIBE IN RETAIL?
THANK YOU.
226. VISHAL |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 9:16:25 PM
Dear Setu Jain,

Don't you think SKS's asking P/E of 35 is too much specially when downside risk for Indian market is more compared to upside and when institution makes more money in shorting compared to going long!

If market remains steady then SKS will surely list at premium, but what if market goes down by 5-7% post expiry of July series?
225. pradeep |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 9:11:27 PM
sks me listinggain kya hoga.hoga b ya nahi.
224. King |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 8:42:42 PM
I sold SKS @ Rs.46/- it is 100% confirm.
Can anybody tell me how much it will subscribe in retail?
223. pappu cant dance saala |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 7:41:53 PM
Bhaiyon aur Behno,

Apna ghar baar bech kar ke iss IPO main laga de aur jub poori tarah se barbad ho jaye to SKS se hi 27% tearly intrest rate par loan le kar daal-roti ka jugaad kare.

This is very good IPO which will creat equality amongst INDIANS as those who applied will be no more lakhpati after allotment. beacause value of theie allotment will be eroded by 50%. avergare cost to QIBs are less than 600 but to us it is 935. so be ready for loss.


SKS means SUB KUCH SAAF
222. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 7:23:15 PM
Beware of free investment advice on TV, MCA tells investors

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/market-news/Beware-of-free-investment-advice-on-TV-MCA-tells-investors/articleshow/6201539.cms
221. Setu Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 7:23:12 PM
Why are people so negative about SKS ?

Agreed that at price band of 850-985 it is priced at 30-35 P.E. on diluted EPS of 28. But PE is of last 12 months trailing as of March 2010. See its performance it has grown @ 200% C.A.G.R. for the period of 2007-2010. So why will not some one ask for such high PE. for its IPO. See educomp it came at Rs. 200 and went to 6000. First 3 years grew at 200% and then 100% CAGR till 2009. It had 100 P.E. in 2008 in that high growth phase of 5 years.

Now look at the scope of Microfinance Sector itself. According to NABARD, the current micro credit by micro financial institutions is at Rs20,000 crore whereas the total micro credit demand is estimated at Rs2.4 lakh crore, creating a huge gap and scope for exponential growth in micro credit. Majority of this demand is met through local money lenders charging very high interest rate up to 60 percent pa thus encouraging MFIs to further penetrate through low cost loan offerings.

Till date, a large number of poor people remain outside the formal banking system. The rural penetration in banks is less than 18% and the existing banking policies are far from meeting their needs. About 75 million households live below the poverty line and the annual credit demand by the poor exceeds Rs 70,000 crores, out of which the cumulative disbursements is about Rs. 8000 crores. Only 5 % of rural poor have access to microfinance and the share of Microfinance in total credit of Indian Banking system is less than 1%. The Indian micro finance industry (MFI) would cross 11 crore borrowers and Rs 135,000 crore ($30 billion) in loan portfolio by 2014. So you can see the oppurtunity here

Now people who talk about Private placement at 300 and 600 per share to Narayan Murthy and George Soros Quantam fund......These placemenmts are done at a lockin period of 3-5 years. So they cannot sell there stake in open market post IPO and can only sell after 3 years. Sequia Capital that was the biggest PE investor in the company today has a major stake. Sequia is the same company that funded Google in its early stage. Do you think they are that foolish to exit when the oppurtunity has just begun?

Thoose who raise question about ethics..... Well tell me any NGO that would have been able to serve such a large base of people without funding. I mean what is so unethical? Have you ever given any loan to poor people. Have banks in this country serviced people in rural areas? RBI encourages them to open branches in rural area but no. of branches are dismal. Then who will provide them loans if not large banks? Whats wrong in profits. If they run in losses how will they raise future funds? These cos go to rural areas...adderess their problems..is that unethical ?

Now talking about risk...related to lending to poor people....and problem of overlending and defaults. R.B.I. has created MFI body to maintain records and ensure that total loans to a particular individual does not cross Rs. 50000 in a particular point. Capital Adequacy Ratio of SKS post IPO will be 40% of total loans disbursed...and deliquency ratio or NPA is just 0.5% . which other indian bank boasts of such high risk measures...? Plus they lend though SHGs or self help groups created by women who themselves do not sugget people with bad credit report to be lended money coz they know that in future they will not get any loans if their reputation is damaged. I mean rural poor is more trustworthy while lending and pay their loans seriously than urban poor..!!

And speaking about high rates of interest of 20-25% well its well below greedy moneylenders of 60%...and if cost of capital for this MFIs is 12-15% why will they not charge 20%.

Oh did i forget to mention that SKS is applying for banking liscence in future to reduce its cost of funds from 12 to 6%. Did i tell you that it has tie up with HDFC for Micro Housing that is a new sector...or retailers like Bharti Future Group who have tied up with SKS to provide loans to rural distributon channel.

And on top of that SKS is planning to expand its operation in China next fiscal..!!

If these are not reason enough to invest then what are ?

You know SE Investment a listed player in micro finance on NSE and BSE currently that few people know about has gone 4 times from 250 to 1100 in just one year.

Ultimately retail investors will shy away QIB will oversubscribe Liquidity of this stock will be with institution with little retail holding and just like Jubiliant or ARSS this will generate huge returns...!!

Any ways people who want to stay away...its there opinion...I just gave my few cents for thought..!!

220. ramu |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 6:05:04 PM
sks gmp 53-55,application 2600-2700
219. mvs |   Link |  Bookmark | July 26, 2010 5:09:06 PM
dont apply