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438. richa |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 2:15:48 PM
i think sks will not give good returns in near future because issue looks very expensive
437. Jag |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 12:18:09 PM
I’ve seen somebody comparing Rpower to SKS, what a comparison this person is fully imaginative, either he should be in film industry or GE (imagination at work). Dadri and Krishnapatnam Ultra MPP are some of the key projects of RPower. Can anybody tell me when KUMPP was awarded to Rpower and what is the current status??? why Dadri never took off???? Don’t tell me its because of gas dispute. As against this, SKS does have operating track record. Let us compare carrots with carrots.
Sometimes too much of analysis or comparsions is not good. Everyone of us knows poor are unbanked and even if they are banked, at exorbitant rates. Some people claim that rates charged by MFI’s are also exorbitant. Till date no political debate on MFi’s interest rates have happened. Very soon regulation is going to come in place and cap the interest rates, I guess that it is going to be pegged at 24% p.a (effective interest rate not just interest rate). Even at this rate certain MFI’s make 5% net interest income. One good thing about MFI’s is they achieve financial inclusion whether they aim it or not.
Bottomline, if you want to make money invest in MFI's. After telecom it is MFI's. Mark this.
436. Priyanka |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 12:13:13 PM
Admin of Chittogarh !!

Why my message has been deleted :( Very Disappointed that my message has been deleted.
435. Vishal |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 12:03:33 PM
Dear Investors,

SKS Micro's IPO lands in controversy

Check this article.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/SKS-Micros-IPO-lands-in-controversy/articleshow/6239615.cms

Regards,
Vishal
434. vishal |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 11:40:56 AM
to apply or not to apply? http://bit.ly/d5C8bR
433. vishaal |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 11:39:21 AM
to apply or not to apply? http://bit.ly/d5C8bR
432. kuber |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 11:29:01 AM
sks micro finance shuld apply or not apply
please tell me.
431. Setu Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 11:11:05 AM
Yes that will be better than copy pasting stupid articles...at least you will have a respectable professiona and serve good to the poor...and warren buffet will definitely invest coz....he has already said he wants to donate his funds for social causes.....

Otherwise do nothing keep on reporting about how unethical MFIs are....and keep seeing miserable poor getting more poorer.....coz no body else serves them except MFIs....why dont you close all MFIs and then raise 45 billion dollars to adress rural poor in India....?
430. Priyanka |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 11:02:52 AM
I am thinking why not open a Micro finance comapany and address the problem of the poor if a demand really needs it. I will rope in my idol Buffet and people like Prince,Ravi,Bangalore,K.K.Natarajan,sreedhar and all the software professional's of Bangalore. Cheers Priyanka !!
429. Setu Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 10:46:52 AM
@ Priyanka...

First of all tell me what is more ethical ...PSU Banks not serving to rural poor....government ignoring rural poor....local moneylenders....charging 60-100% interest to...exploit the poor for life....or providing loans to them by going to their doorstep.....and fulfilling their dreams...i mean some of them are so poor that they cannot afford transportation costs from their village...to the..town where they request a bank for loan....!!

Some trusts have issues with Akula...coz they want it to be charitable....but since they demand is so huge around 45 billion dollars as of 2010...can they get so much funds..?...So whats wrong by going commercial..that way they can lend to more poor.....

Every PE fund or VC fund like Unitas or Sequio looks for exit route of IPO after they invested in business and got returns...whats wrong with that...i mean if you bot herohonda at Rs 10...and today it is 1600 why woudnt you book profits....does that mean growth in hero honda is over or their is controversy...in the company....?

Unitus is supported by bill and melinda gates foundation and they have exited to raise money and continue their charitable work....wy such a big issue about that.

You know...Either...you go and address the need of these poor people....and find a better way to fund the entire indian rural....sector.....or appreciate the fine job these MFIs are doing....what ethics this article is talking about.....?....

And some one called Narayanmurthy a greedy man.....here on this blog.....Man if he is greedy his driver would not have been a millionare...and his staff at infosys...would not have been as rich.....I mean this a matter of can i say anger or big time laughter that Narayan Murthy is greedy.

George Soros in the 1980s made a billion dollar by betting against the british pound and shorting it when every one thought he was mad...And if he has invested at Rs 600 per share in SKS with 3 year lock in....i think....he knows the company's potential....I mean if someone can go and prove him wrong he will be the biggest fool on the street
428. VC |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 10:38:32 AM
@430. Mr. Setu. I am from NGO but not from MFI. As I was working on my project in rural areas of West Bengal, Andhra,karnataka I met a person who was working for MFI. The demand for MFI is Rs.2399 billion in INDIA. Nobody wud invest such huge amts for charity until and unless if Naresh gaur cud do something abt it. If the cmpnay has floated for a gud reason and making money whats wrong? If they r greedy then what r these retail investors upto? Even we r looking for returns. Even I though I work for NGO I am also an investor in share market. i am in share trading past 6 years. So got addicted.
427. mr.india |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 10:33:16 AM
SKS MICROFINANCE LIMITED

Sr.No. Category No.of shares offered/reserved No. of shares bid for No. of times of total meant for the category
1 Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs) 7052464 143720703 20.38
1(a) Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs) 106736049
1(b) Domestic Financial Institutions(Banks/ Financial Institutions(FIs)/ Insurance Companies) 30853732
1(c) Mutual Funds 6130922
1(d) Others 0
2 Non Institutional Investors 1679157 219275 0.13
2(a) Corporates 2534
2(b) Individuals (Other than RIIs) 111986
2(c) Others 104755
3 Retail Individual Investors (RIIs) 5037474 794262 0.16
3(a) Cut Off 622349
3(b) Price Bids 171913

Updated as on 30 July 2010 at 1700 hrs
426. V c |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 10:09:16 AM
@419.. Mr Setu . I agree with u. SKS is the 1st MFI in INDIA to go for MFI. Further SKS lends to poor i.e micro credit. I dont know from where did naresh gaur has got source/data. Let him go and check in semi urban and rural areas. More over these MFIs are great bcoz they lend to poor without any collateral securities and at door step. I am part of an NGO so I have been to rural areas in INDIA and have got a good feedback from the villagers abt the MFIs.Even yesterday Ravi, Bangalore was arguing with me. They will know the pain if the amt is disbursed without any security. Basic point its MICRO LENDING. Further these poor people dont get money from banks. If at all they get its a cumbersome. If naresh has gud knowledge, let him provide how many of the poor r accesible to banks and able to get loans. i am not here to advice somebody whether to apply for SKS. But MFI concept is gud in INDIA. And for the information there r more than 3000 MFIS in INDIA. One wrong step by SKS wud lead a scar on all the MFIs which i feel wud not happen.
425. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 9:22:47 AM
PRIYANKA

NO DOUBT MR AKULA ( DRAKULA) IS A GREEDY MAN, AND HE HAS MADE AN ARMY OF OTHER GREEDIES MAN LIKE MUTHY,VINOD KHOSLA,SOROS AND MANY MORE THROUGH THEIR INDIRECT HOLDING IN THE CO.

THOSE WHO WERE DID NOT PARTICIPATED IN HIS GREEDY MADNESS HAS BEEN SHOWN DOORS LIKE Narayan Ramachandran, who previously headed the Indian operations of the investment bank Morgan Stanley, and Anu Aga, a prominent philanthropist and former chairwoman of ThermaX.

AND ON TOP OF THAT I-BANKERS SELECTION LIKE KOTAK MADE HIS GREADY DREAMS TRUE.

THE CO'S MANY PROMOTER TRUST ARE CLOSING DOWN THEIR MOTIVE IS FULLFILLED NOW THEY WILL STOP CHARITY WORK AND START A PROFIT BUSINESS WITH THAT SUM FROM IPO.


424. Priyanka |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 8:40:32 AM
Beware before applying as per newspaer reports

1. SKS Micro's IPO lands in controversy

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/SKS-Micros-IPO-lands-in-controversy/articleshow/6239615.cms

2. Post IPO, sharing the spoils to turn tough for SKS Microfinance

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=ETBG&showST=true&login=default&pub=ET&Enter=true&Skin=ETNEW&GZ=T&AW=1280545900937
423. Ashish |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 3:06:02 AM
When SKS Microfinance announced the launch of its IPO in late March, the BSE Sensex, India’s bellwether market index stood at just above 17,600. Today, it is hovering around the 18,000 mark – up by almost 2,000 points, or 12.5%, from its recent low of 16,022 in May.

Meanwhile, the low end of the price range that SKS’ share is expected to fetch, is more than 20% above the price that was talked about when the company filed its draft prospectus.

If the share price holds true to the current price band, SKS’ post-issue market capitalization would range between INR61bn to INR71bn and its fully diluted issued capital would stand at 71.9 million shares. Now, considering that SKS made a net profit of INR1.75bn for the year ended March 2010, the Price Earnings (PE) Multiple would range between 35 to 40 times that of historical earnings.

This effectively means that SKS’ PE multiples are far ahead of mainstream banks and financial services companies. While SKS’ valuations are based on its high historical growth – the company’s net profit has grown at a CAGR of 223% over the past four years – it has to be recognized that this has come about during a period of high evolution for the sector, and may not be sustainable over the long term, according to a New Issue Monitor report.

So, how realistic are these valuations?

“These valuations are extremely high considering the valuations at which banks and other NBFCs (Non-banking Financial Companies) are traded,” according to the report.

The same sentiment is echoed by Abbas Merchant, Senior Assistant Vice President of Research at Jaypee Capital Services, which has been in the news for putting out an “Avoid” recommendation on the SKS stock.

However, Abbas is quick to note: “Actually, we like their business model and we like what they are doing. But the stock is very steeply priced, which is the only reason for our ‘avoid’ rating.”

“Probably they are trying to price it higher because there is no near comparison in the listed space,” he adds.

Another senior equity analyst, who wished to remain anonymous, believes that the valuation “seems a bit stretched” in the near-term, considering that SKS is a company providing unsecured loans to poor people. There are good NBFCs and banks that give out secured loans, also with good NPA (non-performing asset) levels, and they are quoting at far lower levels, he says.

“But give the company about two years to scale their business and the company will be in a different orbit.”

Indeed the microfinance sector, more so in India than in other places, seems to be on the cusp of something significant. There are many positives about the sector, beginning with the fact that it’s one that lends to a group of people that have been underserved, neglected, or left to the mercy of local money lenders.

“The investor community is extremely gung-ho. I expect a fairly significant amount of traction for the SKS IPO because there are no sectors in the country now that are growing at such a pace,” says Vineet Rai, Founder and CEO of Aavishkaar, a Mumbai, India-based social investment company.

According to the senior equity analyst, SKS’ biggest strength is its branch network and borrower base, which is “an envy of even FMCG companies” who consider SKS and other large MFIs as potential distributors of their products.

He recommends the company focus on enhancing its product line by leveraging these advantages – like a scenario where an SKS loan officer would sell water purifiers and mobile phones to her clients, while lending them the money to do so – which would diversify product risk, bring down operating costs, and push up profit margins, all at the same time.

Jaypee Capital’s Abbas agrees that the opportunity for SKS to use its network to distribute financial services and FMCG products is huge. “They have the first-mover advantage and the opportunity to scale,” he says.

According to Inverting the Pyramid, an annual industry report published by Intellecap (which also publishes Microfinance Insights), there is a massive demand gap in micro credit in India. The industry’s total loan disbursements worth about INR200bn (~US$4.5bn) only manage to scratch the surface of the market, which is valued at INR2400bn (~US$53bn).

Dismissing concerns that SKS-style growth may not be sustainable in the long run, Rai says:

“There are very few sectors, anywhere in the world, which have such a huge demand-supply gap, which means you have the leverage or the ability to continue to scale at a pace that is unheard of. Even if they slow down by 50%, they still would be one of the fastest growing companies.”

“I can tell you I’m buying it at that price with my personal money. I believe, regardless of the valuation, if the sector is good and the company is good, then the valuation will be good,” Rai adds.

Abbas too waves off concerns about SKS’ ability to sustain its current growth rate, stating that the market understands the company’s present growth is from a low base and that it “will obviously grow at a more matured level. So, that is not a concern.”

However, there are other downsides to worry about. Such as the company’s Portfolio-at-Risk (PAR) figure that has already taken a hit and is susceptible to further spikes, as the company expands into regions like Bihar, Orissa and Jharkhand, according to the senior equity analyst.

These states happen to be much worse off, in terms of poverty, demographics and geographical diversity, than the South where SKS started off, and will be a much more challenging market for the company to function and succeed in. For instance, [SKS] is facing problems, according to the senior analyst, in Chhattisgarh and Uttarakhand where their PAR is higher than in the South, and the more they grow in such regions – many of which are affected by local tribal insurgencies—the higher the company’s NPAs will rise.

The kind of growth rate SKS has enjoyed so far “is difficult to maintain going forward. Banking on their distribution network rather than looking to maintain their microfinance growth is the way to go. If the loan book doesn’t dry out, the profitability won’t go down. Providing more loans on different products would increase their revenues even if borrowers won’t grow at the same pace.”

Another common refrain about the risks SKS faces going forward is the company’s interest rate levels, which range between 26%-28%, and whether it can compete with other players like Regional Rural Banks (RRBs), which charge an interest rate of roughly 9% for agricultural loans and around 15% for personal loans.

It remains to be seen if they can maintain their high rates, because their costs are pretty high and their margins are about 4%-5%, Abbas notes.

422. sunil |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 2:54:34 AM
The anchor investors book for the Rs 16.5 Billion SKS Microfinance’s IPO has been oversubscribed 10-15 times
SKS Microfinance’s IPO has received strong interest from institutional investors and there will be about 12–16 top quality anchor investors added the source.

The anchor investor is a recently introduced category by SEBI in the Initial Public Offer (IPO). An Anchor Investor is usually a Qualified Institutional Buyer who gets firm allotment in an IPO of up to 30% of the institutional quota.The lock-in period for such an investor is 30 days.
421. R R |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 2:07:17 AM
“At Rs850 a share, the implied valuation for the firm is 3.8 times post-issue book value (net worth) and 35 times the earnings of fiscal 2010, which appears quite expensive.”

-Pankaj Agarwal, analyst at the UK-based investment advisory firm Execution Noble.

“The pricing seems to be on the higher side,”

-Tejas Doshi, vice-president,Sushil Financial Services Ltd.

“Doubtlessly, it is an expensive issue, given the risks and uncertainty associated with the microfinance industry”.

- Apurva Shah, head of research at Prabhudas Lilladher Pvt Ltd.
420. Setu jain |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 1:32:38 AM
@ Saharanpuri

Company Name
Offer Price
(Rs.)
Premium
(Rs.)
Kostak
(Rs. 1 Lac Application)

Midfield Industries Ltd.
133
18 to 20
--

Engineers India (FPO)
270 to 290
--
--

SKS Micro Finance
850 to 985
68 to 70
2400 to 2500

Prakash Steelage
100 to 110
6 to 8
1400 to 1500

Bajaj Corp. Ltd.
630 to 660
35 to 36


419. Setu jain |   Link |  Bookmark | July 31, 2010 1:27:18 AM
I dont apply in ipo....through fillling form..i apply through grey market.......I personally applied for 1000 shares at 45 premium and for my clients 25000 shares at 51 premium one day later...and tommorow you can apply half day bank open...and even on monday....just apply for 17 shares.to test me out...take my word....even if u get 8 shares...you will make 2000 on listing day or day after....I am a stock broker i always add new clients...i would have been unemployed...if i didnt give them profits....!! he he....

And to test my recomendations....i give you a free tip...By Rainbow Papers...at CMP of 217...and in one month you will double your money after it goes stock split on Aug 12th....