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1904. raj bairwa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:51:03 AM
Qualified Institutional Buyers(QIBs)*      56.66
Non Institutional Investors       0.28
Retail Individual Investors(RIIs)       1.88
Employee Reservation       3.3
Shareholder       3.98
Total       15.21
1903. MAPatel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:42:57 AM
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Dear IPO Gurus,
Please suggest for subscribe in both category retail & SH? or only retail ?
also post latest subscription fig. & GMP / Application rate for this IPO..
Thanx
1903.2. MAPatel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:45:42 AM
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Can we subscribe with full force ? or is there any fear of market / low subscription of HNI / less GMP etc. ? Please suggest
1903.3. DownriteVJ |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:48:19 AM
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Still the GMP in positive side of around 150.

The quick up and down in market will be slowing down by the time of listing. Also after seeing QIB figures it looks that HNI will definitely come. This will increase the GMP somewhat.

So i don't see any reason to skip this IPO.
1902. Siddharth bavishi |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:47:29 AM
what is the status of hni or retail

GMP
1901. VKVERMA |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:47:23 AM
kindly update current GMP
1900. NITINSHRIKANTMISHRA |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:36:24 AM
This is very safe profit earning way . SURE SHOT minimum 2000 Rs profit per lot .

Maximum 5000 if all goes right . Will subscribe 40 times overall EOD. JUST APPLY

Don't get fear . IF fear than don't come out of house only.
1899. Pinakin Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:34:11 AM
Guys what if 5X subscription happen in shareholders category then will it be a lottery like retails quota? or will be distributed in equally to all bidder? Second if it will be distributed in equally then if somebody done 10 bids, will he get more chance to get more shares rather than 1 lot bidder?
1899.1. Johny |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:36:22 AM
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If 5X subscription happens in SH cat then anyone who applies more then 5 lots will get atleast 1 lot and more depending on number lots applied. Below 5 lots it will be lottery but probalitiy of allotment will be 4Lot > 3Lot > 2Lot > 1Lot.
1898. ManishDwiv |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:35:39 AM
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Why no data updation on any site? Whats the issue?
1897. bangadgopallal |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:17:34 AM
1. *Story of SBI Card IPO -*

*Someone became super-rich, others not ... !!*

*Who is the SBI card :-*
It is *74% SBI* (State Bank of India) and *26% Carlyle* group.

We all know *SBI.*

But, who is *Carlyle* group?
It is a private equity fund which bought *26%* share of *SBI Card* from a *GE* group company at *Rs.2000 Cr.*

After the *IPO,* who will be *SBI Card? :-*
It will be *70% SBI* - (It is diluting its shares.)
It will be *16%, Carlyle* group. - (It is diluting its shares.)
And *14% New Shareholders.*

At the issue price of *Rs.750-755,* what will be the company's worth ...?
Ans :- *Rs. 71,000 Cr.*

So, for a minute, let's assume if *Carlyle* group is also diluting the same percentage of shares as of *SBI,* how much will be the worth of *Carlyle* group shares?
Ans :- Approx *Rs. 17,500 Cr.*

WOW a windfall gain for *Carlyle* group - *Isn't it?*
In just *3* years, *Rs. 2,000 Cr* has become *Rs.17,000 Cr* for them. Approx *8.5* times return ... !!!????

Yes, at the current valuation of the *SBI Card, Carlyle* group is making *8 times return* in just *3 years...????*

In all the noise of this *IPO,* did you know about this part of the game ...??

Well, I have no issues with someone getting *super-rich.* *It is capitalism.*

*But, what about the other investors of SBI Cards...???*

Well, *SBI* is also one of the investors. And many other retail investors who have their investments in *SBI.*

They have made *5%* return in *5* years. Yes, *SBI* share price has gone to *Rs. 320* from *Rs. 305." Only *Rs. 20,* i.e. just *5%* return in *5 yrs... !!!????*

*So, the question here is :-*
One investor is getting *850%* return, and other sets of investors are getting a *5%* return post this successful *IPO* launch ... ??????

*Well, I have an issue now.*

It is not the right side of capitalism or valuation. *Amazing performance of SBI Card should have reflected in the share price of SBI bank too.* But, it hasn't. (Below image for *SBI* share price taken from screener website)



2. Now, let's understand, *IPO* and *OFFER FOR SALE.*

*IPO -* Money raised through *IPO,* goes to the company, on the balance sheet.

*Offer for Sale -* Money raised via *Offer For Sale* goes to promoter's/early investor's bank account.

*So, what is happening here with SBI card IPO ...??*

Well, in this much-hyped *IPO* of *Rs. 9000 Cr.* has below bifurcation :-

So, called total *IPO* size :- *Rs. 9000 Cr.*

1) *Fresh Issuance (IPO) - 500 Cr.* - So, out of *Rs. 9000 Cr.* proposed raise, only *Rs.500 Cr .* will go to *SBI Card* company.

2) *Rest of the amount -* Approx *Rs. 8500 Cr* - via *Offer for sale -* which means around *95%* of the money raised via this *IPO* process will be taken home by *SBI* and *Carlyle* group.

I must mention here that the *Carlyle* group will be taking home approx *Rs. 7000 Cr.* home.

Yes, with *Rs. 2000 Cr.* investment, they will make *Rs. 7000 Cr.* now and still hold *16%* shares of this currently valued *Rs. 70,000 Cr.* company. That totals to another approx *Rs. 10,000 Cr.* worth of shares... !!????

Again, no offence with *Carlyle* group's handsome return. The issue here is only one, *"Why didn't retail investors of SBI made even one-tenth of what Carlyle group is making ... !!"????*

And, this story gives me the intent and need of this *IPO.*

*Right,* the need of the *IPO* is not to raise money for business expansion but to give *exit with handsome profit to the Carlyle* group. And, I wonder, *"Is SBI working for us or working for foreign registered Private investors...??"* ????

So, knowing their intent behind this *IPO,* I would stay away from investing in this company at *Rs. 750-755.* I would have surely thought about investing in it provided this *Rs. 9000 Cr* would have been used for strengthening the company's business.




3. *What about the valuation?*

*Yes,* and let's explore the relative valuation. Let's compare it with other companies in the same business.

*Well, we have no listed company in the same segment.* Yes, *SBI Cards's* only business is *CREDIT Cards.* It earns revenue only through credit cards business. And, we have no other company in this segment to compare.

But, yes, we have one international company to compare. And, most of you must have heard their name.

*AMEX*

*American express.*

Yes, at *Rs. 750.* offering price of this *IPO, SBI Card* is demanding *46* times Price of their latest earning. Yes, *PE* ratio will be *46* for *SBI Card.*

*AMEX's PE* is *17.* (half of it's business comes from *Credit Cards* segment only)

Which means *SBI Cards* at *Rs. 750.* is *2.7* times expensive than *AMEX.*

But, can we compare *AMEX* and *SBI Cards... ??*

Well, not really. *AMEX* is much better a company than *SBI Cards.*

*- Global,*

*- Robust,*

*- Historical*
*Performance,*

*- Good returns for shareholders,*

*- Risk coverage,*

*- Management.*
- I would rate them better than *SBI Cards* in almost all front.

And, you can't tell me the same old rhetorical logic of India's population. *AMEX* operates in India as well. If *Credit Cards* business grows multiple folds, *AMEX* and other players will get benefitted too.

*I don't see a point of buying expensive shares of an inferior company.*

Well, on relative valuation front, I would again not apply in *SBI Card IPO.* this is comment by some one I pested it for our group knowledge.
1897.2. MITTAL |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:22:50 AM
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अब इस सबसे फायदा ? क्या आपने स्वयं पढ़ा है? मात्र कट पेस्ट आखिरी दिन ।
1897.3. Killerr |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:33:56 AM
क्या फर्क पड़ता है। आप भी एंजेल इन्वेस्टर बनिए और अनलिस्टेड फर्म को पैसा दीजिए बिजनेस बढ़ाने के लिए।रिस्क ज्यादा है तो रिटर्न भी ज्याजा मिलेगा सीधा नियम है।
और जितने भी लोगों ने अप्लाई किया है उसके 10-20 परसेंट भी सेकंडरी मार्केट में इंटरेस्ट दिखाएंगे तो भी लिस्टिंग गैन मिलेगा।
1896. Brijesh union bank |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:33:23 AM
Why there is no movement in NII category
1895. M K Singh |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:30:50 AM
Guys
Still not sure whether sh will finally get subscribed equally to NII as during end of the day, many HNIs may rush towards SH seeing it lesser subscribed.
1894. Rahul Wgl |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:08:28 AM
I have 300000/- Rs. with me, kindly suggest me the best way to apply, both SH and Retail category.
1894.1. DownriteVJ |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:18:58 AM
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1 IN RETAIL
13 IN SHAREHOLDER
1894.2. Small Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:29:35 AM
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MR.RAHUL
YOU CAN GIVE LOAN TO RII ? hahha
1893. sandy shaik |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 9:54:33 AM
hi expert guru i applied 10 lot in sh and 3 lot in general ctagory is it ok
1893.1. DownriteVJ |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:21:18 AM
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If you are taking about 1 PAN

then apply 1 in retail and 13 in SH category
1892. MITTAL |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:19:06 AM
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कल सभी सब्सक्रिप्शन डाटा पेस्ट कर रहे थे।
आज अभी का ताजा सब्सक्रिप्शन पता नही चला ।
1891. P Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:07:38 AM
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Seems like NII is not much interested in this IPO...
1891.1. ganesh jaiswal |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:14:28 AM
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HNI usually apply after 1 PM, so wait till that time, surely it will be 40-50 times in HNI
1891.2. Roxpatel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:16:33 AM
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Bhai 1 to bajne de
1890. Raman Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:11:48 AM
How to make sure that my application is completed?
I can see status in Zerodha console - " Accepted by investor"
But according to BSE site, no record found for my application number.
Please help.
1889. MAPatel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 9:51:55 AM
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Aniketji, Please clarify about subscription fig of QIB on BSE & NSE site. it shows 0.00 now. Is there any withdrawal or any mistake from their site ? Please reply
1889.2. aniket |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:07:23 AM
Only BSE shows it zero as its a technical glitch. It hasn't changed actually.
1889.3. MAMU |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:09:49 AM
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BSE website not refreshing data.. Last updated 5 PM showing on 04/03/2020.. Todays latest update not showing..
No one knows whats going on
1888. Amitg |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:09:48 AM
How allotment will be decided for shareholder's category can anyone please through some light on it.
1887. Raju.msaha |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:00:45 AM
Yesterday night 10 pm, I have applied through ICICI Netbanking ASBA in both shareholders as well as retail category. Still I've not received any mail confirmation and also when i check it on BSE website it shows no record found. I don't know if my application is submitted or not. Please help.!
1887.1. Ashok Manjhi |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:06:34 AM
You will get E-mail notification after 5 PM
1886. sandy shaik |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 9:55:28 AM
hi
i applied
10 sh
3 general is it ok
1886.1. sandy shaik |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:00:44 AM
can u suggest me where i applied ? so i ll get ...........
1886.2. Paymzia |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:05:05 AM
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Ok.
Before applying if ask them answer is retail 1 shareholder 12.
But you asked after you applied.
Ok good
1885. dipandesai |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 8:53:13 AM
QIB NE ALMOST 50% APPLICATION WITHDRAW KI.
1885.6. Kamlesh belani |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 9:39:07 AM
Sale, Malum nahi hai to kyu fekta hai chu...ya kanhi ka..!!???
1885.7. Amit Chheda |   Link |  Bookmark | March 5, 2020 10:03:45 AM
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Dipen Desia pk he kya....ya phir corono ghus gaya apme....rubbish.