112.1. PSR| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 5:30:20 AM
IPO Guru (1200+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
Ok. What you said is correct.
To my knowledge, the promoters of the "Devyani" is of "Varun Beverages" group, who have a track record of rewarding the shareholders reasonably well, over a period of time. It is not known whether the promoters of this company enjoys the same reputation.
Except that, the valuations of this company is at reasonable discount to "Devyani".
Arjun you are somehow correct. Just compare with Jubilant food. 52000 cr for 878 cr sales. Sapphire is having 313 cr. sales and if 50% waitage is given even then price comes to 1500. After Policy listing Paytm is suppose to list near 2500.
112.3. PSR| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 1:47:25 PM
IPO Guru (1200+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
Mr. J Rakesh
Paytm is suppose to list near 2500, is almost impossible, since there were no takers at Rs. 2,150 In NIIs & there was a very little demand at that price in QIBs. Further, there are no substantial developments after the closure of the issue.
Listing at any rate above the issue price would be great achievement for PayTM.
Everything is hunky dory...but why OFS.. not even 20% fresh issue. Promoters don''t have faith in company.. If it was a fresh issue they would have recieved some money to pay off debts and open new stores. But no..they want an exit. It may reach 1500 through market hype...but long term investment without profits on books is risky game.
111. DownriteVJ| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 2:44:52 PM
IPO Guru (1400+ Posts, 1200+ Likes)
Time to start - Allotment Kab hai and - Debit Debit Msg
I always do my research on Mkt. cap and PE. This old way we use to do since 1987. paytm is unicorn IPO and market leader at presently. you have seen nykaa and policy bazaar. if nykaa can trade above 1 lac cr. then why not paytm can have 50% more than. I heard about nykaa just 2 weeks ahead of IPO that is too in urban internet users of middle high class whereas paytm has already penetrate from urban to low class rural area. So i think paytm has good value than nykaa.
110.1. PSR| Link| Bookmark|
November 16, 2021 2:39:53 PM
IPO Guru (1200+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
Mr. J Rakesh
Issue is so simple. PayTM is in the businesses of heavy competition, where achieving meaningful growth appears to be herculean task. Further, its market share is reported to be dwindling on account of fierce competition as well as entry of new players. On the other hand, Nykaa & Policy Bazaar do not have that much competition.
Reading through the comments low subscribtion in HNI is due to: 1. Gujaratis avoiding non-veg food selling company 2. Increase in funding cost, focus on high GMP ones 3. Delay in refund from previous application
100.1. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 11, 2021 6:05:47 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@vmaru: first point is having very little impact in all three categories. And in second point, one more point to add is that tarson also opened and many thinking that sapphire refund can''t be used in tarsons and tarson is having more GMP. And two more points which you missed are: 1. Market going down from 2 days and recent trend is also not favourable and everyone can''t sail through like nykaa even in such market movement. 2. It''s valuations are higher at 1180 as per revenue/profits and devyani is considered better than this and sapphire will probably go down below issue price after listing in some days or weeks, no matter what price listing is being happen.
Lets talk about first point only.. I hve seen such messages were also circulated at a time of barbeque nation.. n u kmw what impact they could made..?? Barbeque nation become a miltibagger.. almost 4 time in one year..๐๐
100.3. sdz| Link| Bookmark|
November 11, 2021 7:41:45 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
Why to go till Barbeque Nation, Is Sapphire''s twin brother Devyani selling only Veg burgers/pizzas? It showed 50-60% GMP till listing ๐๐
100.4. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 11, 2021 9:49:54 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
yes agree with noorul/sdz here, i dont think this factor would have any impact on subscription, very minimal impact may be in retail only, neither these things will impact such companies share price movement in future. The only real sentiment impact which i have seen on any ipo was gland pharma. That had really impacted huge in subscriptions due to china issue and our patriotism sentiments. it was wave kind of that time againts that ipo but later QIB''s made everyone regret for bringing emotions into business ;) :) And our Mr MRavi Sir made good fortune in that share :)
I also had a few negative points which is why i totally skipped this. 1) Huge ofs and no fresh issue. 2) Some investors who are selling their stake were allotted shares @560 a few months back. 3) Exorbitant valuations compared to Devyani. If we try to remember, Devyani was rangebound between 110 and 120 for quite sometime before positive results gave it much needed stimulus.
I agree with @lokes on this one. It should technically go below issue price irrespective of the listing price. But in this market anything is possible as we had seen with Barbeque nation frenzy.
me panjrapol ( gaay aur koi bhi pashu pakshi ki bina paiso seva hoti he ) me seva karta hu... hum khud musalman kasai ke katalkhane se nirdos aur gerkaydesar leke gaye hue gaay aur dusre prani ko ladke chhudvane me madad karte h ( khhon kharaba bhi hota he aur un prani ko panjrapol me laya jata he ). me ek 100% shakahari tha / hu aur rahuga. bhutkal me mene galtiya ki thi lekin ab sudhar ne ka waqt he. to me " NON VEG " ka sakhat virodhi hu jo nirdosh prani ko kaat ke khate he.. naa usko paisa deta hu naa samarthan. diwali 2021 se pran liya tha jo bhi karuga sidhhant ke sath karuga. me hindu garv ke sath iss company me paisa nahi lagata aur aapko recommand karta hu aap bhi naa lagaye. NO GMP / NO FUNDING .
@lomdi pashuo ko sirf muslim kasai hi nhi karte balki sbse bada pashuo ka katil AL KABIR beef exporter hain . Uska malik koun hain ye to tumhe pata hi hoga Umeed karta hu ki uske khilaaf bhi tumne halla bola hoga .
Lombdi ji agree with u. Hope by reading ur message some one soul heartens up and stop killing innocents life for there stomach. We have no right to play with there life..@peta.
@Amit: A certain sect of people do not eat Onion, Garlic and Blood meat. All these foods add sharp angry sensitivity to people who eat it. People who eat these become sensitive and easily get angry on something they don''t like. In Tamil we call it as เฎเฏเฎฐเฎฃเฏ. People who don''t eat Garlic, Onion, Blood meat do not get into fight. That''s why they were thrown out of Kashmir while in UP you see clashes happening. However, those people as compensation developed cunningness and always scheme around. Chanayaka did not fight but he used another fighter to take revenge. That''s why Indian administration which is run by these non-eaters do not dare to fight against Chinese land grabbing instead try to use USA to put pressure on China. Look around in your office who are the people playing back stabbing office politics. . People are not slaves they should be free to eat what they like. 97% of Indians eat those animals which reproduce in multiples, have short life span and doesn''t interact with owners as pets. That''s why we eat goat but not cow. That''s why we eat chicken but not dogs. That''s why we eat fishes but not whales and dolphins.
@vmaru sir dil ki baat kahi aapne... me jo sochta hu vahi baate apne likhi he aur me aur mere jese chand log par bahot atma vishwas ke sath sidhhant se jina sikh rahe he aur sikhege... my blood is rajpoot blood. 73 vi pedhi hu me jab mere purvaj ne talvaar chhod kar taraju ( business ) pakde the. atma vishwas unhi se ata he.. meri baat yahi pe khatam karta hu aur baki ipo me continue karta hu.
@Sanjeev Sood, yes absolutely. Sappire to list at least 10% or more. I am more confident now like you after today''s Devyani''s life time high. I have 2 HNI applications... ๐ค
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97.2. SANJEEV SOOD| Link| Bookmark|
November 12, 2021 12:15:10 PM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
Dear Mr. Ravichandran Good to see your comment. Believe me 10% will look smaller on listing.
@Sanjeev Sood, Just bit conservative. possible for great listing as well.
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96. jstm| Link| Bookmark|
November 2, 2021 10:06:54 AM
IPO Guru (1300+ Posts, 3200+ Likes)
Devyani''s valuation is better than Sapphire. Likely to cross 150 mark soon after posting better than expected result. Interesting to see investors'' response in sapphire.
I want this IPO to succeed so when new investors compare this with Devyani for investment, they probably park their money in a profit making giant.aka DEVYANI. Also hoping devyani goes the jubilant way for next 10 years.๐
@harit, @monster, Yes, Devyani is on fire along with Zomato (I have both huge quantities both from IPO and as well as from market). Hope Devyani will give good boost to Sappire.
@jstm, where are you. you are first one predicting Devyani, missing you last few days in the forum. Hope all is well with you