Sansera Engineering Limited IPO Message Board (Page 1)

Cartrade is going in full Speed difficult to catch ....haha

Buy 1 share everyday..for good luck😂

I am not averaging it till it shows some upmove already holding 3 lot

Seeing cartrade rise 2.5% ..

"Dil Ko Karaar Aaya
Tujhpe Hai Pyaar Aaya
Pehli Pehli Baar Aaya Oh Yaara"...😅

It has to rise a lot more only 1.3 percent up now ... let''s see ...hope it gives closing on higher note

Dil ko karaar aagya " lekin sirf 5 min k liye aya "..😅😅

Aptus bhi gya ...aaj k baad koi ipo wale shares hold krna hi nhi h ... Devyani aptus cartrade not even 1 shares is moving

Pehle Gaadi gayi.. ab ghar bhi ja raha hai. Aptus ke 130 shares hai. Ab ye 300 ke niche jayega. Aaj Aptus ka AGM meeting bhi tha. Kal dekhte hain kya hota hai.

I got vindicated as Sansera quickly crossed 850 on the 2nd day itself. I purchased in bulk @ 830 on the 1st day. I had also told in the forum to grab it if available under 850.

Tomorrow, i.e., 28th will be final day when Sansera could be available for a price less than 850, though it seems very unlikely. But do grab it if you are able to get it under 850 as it is going to cross 1000 in the short term.

@ipobull: it became reverse today whatever you said....
now its like : 28th will be final day when Sansera could be available for a price more than 850....

@ lokes,
Thanks for responding. Ya, it reversed today, but with market falling by 600 points, I''m ok with a 3% fall in Sansera. I can stick out my neck and say that this stock is a long term play. We must give it some free space for consolidation around 810-820 levels when the last set of sellers go away. But certainly 28th won''t be the last day for a price more than 850. It will eventually go up. I do not have any goosebumps. Let us see what happens. All the best on your investments.

Ipo bull hahahahaha ..... don''t get too much overconfident in share Market .....This market brutely beats the one who goes over-confident ...

Buy order placed at 801....
sold to one lot yesterday for 857.8....should have sold all 4 lots...lets see..... expectations are 900+ in next 20 days...

Monster yesterday u were will not sell below 1000 and now sold 1 lot and saying should have sold all ..wait some time it will recover

It is not cartrade atleast it is above its issue price

@ Have Faith,
Your name suggests you should have faith in markets. No one should be over confident in markets after having seen the brutal falls of 2008 and 2020. But after that experience, I always keep some considerable cash in hand to buy @ low levels. Because, the profits we make depends a lot on how low we are able to purchase stocks. So, I''m happy during fall as well rise. Because I utilize both the trends.

@Have faith I was putting limit order @949.. but accidentally typed 849 instead .. price was 858 at that time so my order got executed immediately...i slapped my head and thought it as a silly move...but that move saved me 1000 Rs ...😂

I also feel one should there in the stock as long as there is still scope for good upside. Like I was bullish on Gland Pharma till it crossed 4000. After that I knew the movement will be sideways. Also, one should dump laggards like IRFC, which are never exciting. But if there is strong traction in any business, the stock can go up to a large extent like the MRFs. Markets mostly mirrors forward expectations. Forgive me as I just wanted to share my experience.

Monster good bro ..hahaha ...jo hota h ache k liye hota h ...just got true

@ipo bull I am saying this because u said 28th will be the final day below 850 ..

@ipobull: ya later it will recover and will go above 850 but no idea when, i hope wait wont be too much like cartrade....
i sold one lot anyways today at 814...holding remaining 3 lots
and ya IRFC was really a laggard, after holding and waiting for 2-3 months, i sold at 23....and its in range trade only till now....

@lokes,
You did a right thing by selling IRFC. I too did that earlier and purchased PC Jewellers at similar valuation and immediately made 20 % in 2 days. Regarding Sansera, I think inspite of this huge correction in markets, it is still holding on to 800 support levels. I think the last set of sellers are executing their sale orders. Once that is over, we should see a bounce back. I am not selling in a hurry. Waiting for quarterly results.

@ Monster Zero,
Even today, Sansera made a low of 802. I think you better place your buy order @ 802 or 803. It will get executed.

790 IS THE SUPPORT, HOLD

@ipobull.. doing intraday now in sansera... bought @802.05 after watching for 2 hrs....now expecting it go up for some quick money.

@ Priyankk,
Which stock are you watching ? The day''s low for Sansera is 802 on both the exchanges.

@ipobull I''m saying it''ll bounce from 790,...

Aaree bhai 850 wale ipo bull ...Sansera ???

from some days, all these ipo shares not performing like cartrade, aptus, nuvoco, vijaya diagnostics and many others....

Aptus made a new low today. It fell to 313 level.😐

Ipo bull buy as much as u can below 800 ....u were saying below 850 buying is too difficult

@Have Faith,
As your name suggests, Have Faith in Sansera. As I told earlier, I made my purchase earlier in Sansera and not making any further purchases as I purchased 5000 shares of Delta Corp @ 250 from secondary market, which is making new 52-week high everyday. Regarding Sansera, it will certainly go above 850 after its results are declared. Wait and watch. If you have really been in markets, please understand that we cannot be always right in what we say. Sometimes, it turns otherwise. So, I never regret purchasing any stock and nowadays, through God''s grace and my experience, I''m making purchases in only those stocks like Delta Corp, GR Infra, Laxmi Organics, etc., where I''m fairly confident of performance.

@ Priyankk,
You are right, it is bouncing back from around 790 levels.

Dear ipobull,
Can we buy the above stock at current market price such as Laxmi organic, Gr infra and Delta corp.
Further please suggest others company which is potential in long terms buy at current market price otherwise correction in market.
Thanks 🙏

@Dharmendra Sharma,
Yes, you can still purchase stocks like Sansera, Delta Corp, GR Infra, Laxmi Organics purely based on their fundamentals. But please keep a watch on Q2 results to be declared in Oct. Upon seeing the results, the picture will be further clearer. Another dark horse could be Yes Bank. You may not lose much in Yes Bank, but it can spike anytime and go to Rs. 20 levels. Adani Power also look good.

Ipobull what is happening in Sansera u was saying difficult to get below 850 ...now u can buy in trunk loads below 770

@Have Faith,
If you are in markets for quite sometime, you will appreciate that what all we say may not always go as we think. We may be correct in many of our predictions, but in some our predictions may fail. Seeing the trend in Sansera, I actually sold it @ 820 recently and purchased GR Infra in bulk, where I''m enjoying my ride. For statistical interest, I shall still monitor Sansera whether it goes below its IPO price and also whether it crosses 850 after Q2 results.

Ab kya khane apke 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Dear Experts ,

Pls help on above !!

Thanks in advance

Dont gift ..transfer to self family account offline

CLose your minor account in zerodha and shift it to ProStocks. Best broker for minor account. It provides online trading account for minors where you can buy/sell on minor behalf.

Thanks both for suggestions.

Ankur ji prostocks me form bhar diya hai payment ke liye keh rahe hai minornke account se hi karni hai.

While net banking not allowed for minor account. Which mode of payment can I use for payment.
Thanks in advance

ICICI allows net banking as well as UPI for minor account.I recently opened account of minor with prostock.

@grow india, ask prostocks to provide banking account to transfer. Go to the bank where you have minor account and ask them to transfer 1000 in the account, prostocks provides.

@Grow india
By cheque aap payment kr sakte ho....maine 10 din pahle hi minor account open kiya prostocks me....bank account BOB

@mit, some banks even do not offer cheque books for minor. If you are struck with a bank which is not offering netbanking nor cheque book than manual neft from bank counter is best example.

I had minor bank account in PSB bank which does not offer netbanking and cheque book, So I did manual NEFT by visiting bank branch and submitting neft request.

For non prostocks minor account customers, CDSL easiest a best option to transfer shares offline.

You have to register using following link https://web.cdslindia.com/myeasi/Registration/EasiestRegistration

You can add adult account as Trusted account and after approval, you can transfer share offline by using following link:
https://web.cdslindia.com/myeasi/Home/Login

Online condition is that your minor account at broker must have some money for CDSL debit charges otherwise your offline settlement will fail.

@Earthking Intraday trade are not subject to capital gain they are taxable as Business income at the slab rate applicable to you. Either 0,5,20 or 30.

Point of consideration for All :-

This is wrt Income Tax on F & O Trx , Audit , Books of Accounts, Losses C/f......etc......

Normally , if a person deals in Share Market, he may have income from following ......
a) Intra day......
b) STCG....
c) LTCG...
d) F & O..Trx.....

Trx of a) will be Speculative Trx.....

Trx b) & c) R Short term or Long term Invt Profit & taxable at special rate of 15% or 10% respectively.....

Trx d) Relates to Future & Option Trx.., where for the IT point of view it is non-Speculative Trx....

Under a) Losses of Speculative Trx can be set off , only agst Speculative gain , or otherwise can be C/f for next 4 years......

Under d) , since for IT point of view , it is Non-speculative Trx , and to be treated as Normal Business Income, Losses if any can be Adjusted agst Profit from any other Business / Profession income......or from any other heads (like IFHP, CG, IFOS...except from Salary income for the same Acct year) or otherwise C/f. For next 8 years ...........

Q1) F&O Trx , Taxable under which head of income...
A1) PGBP........
Q2) BoA is Compulsory for F&O Trx , for Indl/HUF ????......
A2) Yes , if Income above 2.5L or TO above 25L...........
Q3) Audit is Applicable , for F&O Trx ????
A3) if GTO is above 1 Cr.....or say above 5 Cr for AY 2020/21 & say 10 Cr for AY 2021/22).....Under new Proviso of sec 44 AB (if condition of 5% , of Total Receipts/ Pymt is satisfied, and GTO is less than 5 or 10 Cr , then No Audit) ......

Q4) How to arrive for GTO for F&O Trx ?????
A4) calculate gain or loss , (Trade wise/Trx wise) , Sum of positive & Negatives to be considered as GTO , for Audit point of view........

Q5) if say GTO is 90L , there may be Profit or Loss, No any other Income , whether Audit Applicable ??...
A5) No , Since Basic Limit of section 44AB......
Q6) if Say GTO is btw 1 Cr to 2 Cr , Section 44 AD can be opt ????
A6) Yes........

Q7) Say GTO , above 1 Cr to 10 Cr , for AY 2021/22, can Proviso of Section 44AB (if condition Satisfied) is Applicable???.
A7) Yes , No Audit , either , overall Profit or Loss ........assuming only F&O Trx.........

Q8) whether Interest / Remuneration recd by partner , is eligible for Setoff agst Losses of F&O Trx ????..
A8) in my opinion , yes..

Thank you both of you for your kind reply

One small addition.
Long term gains is 10% with index benefit.

LTCG on stocks over 1 lakh rupees is taxed at 10% and indexation is currently NOT allowed.

Amit Sir... Thank for your effort in replying... Still for speculative profit how much is the capital gain tax percentage??? Is it added in our business income...

@Amit Chedda Ji
Well explained in detail. Can you please elaborate for better understanding?

For F&O,
Under A1, what is long form of PGBP? What is the tax rate for F&O non speculative transactions? Is it short term 15% or added to individual other income for applicable slab? If so what is the treatment if F&O is a loss in financial year?

If F&O transactions are intra day , which is the case often, will it come under speculative below a) mentioned in table?

Thanks

@Earthking Intra-day in Stock is speculative income therefore it will be added in head "Profit & Gain From Business or Professional" as speculative business income and taxable as per applicable slab rate.

@Ou Ai
1.PGBP is a Income Head under Income Tax Act provisions which stands for "Profit & Gains from Business Or Profession".
2.Transactions in F&O are Non-speculative (I.e Normal business income) even if it is Intra-day. Therefore it will be added to your income & taxable as per applicable Slab rate.
NOTE: Transactions in F&O are not fall under ambit of Capital Gain head, hence taxable as per slab rate.

3. In case of Loss in F&O transaction, you are eligible for set off & carry forward as normal business income, ie setoff against other heads of income except salary and carry forward for 8 years.

Thank you BullsNdBears ... Now I Got It. Thanks all for your inputs.

@Earthking, good call. 811 now. 850 is possible

Thanks

@MRavichandran, thanks for the suggestion, changed my selling price to 850. Hope it will be executed before the end of the day :)

What was your buying price in pre market?

@Cyberdude, defiantly it will be IPO open price @811

Bought 180 shares at 811.35 ( pre open discovered price at BSE )

@Earrhking sold or still holding

@Earthking, you must be exited by now at your buying price. its started falling down

Holding till now sir ... lets c

@Earthking very brave brother

Holding all 4 lots for 2-3 months... let''s see if CNBC gets this one right.

@ Monster bro how many IPOs will u going to hold ...I think Aptus Devyani and Cartrade u r still holding and Cartrade is continuously going down Don''t know why and where it will stop ...and I am also holding all these IPOs

@ Havefaith
Brave to hona hi chahiye

Jyada greed and jyada fear both are not good for sharemarket and investment

IPOs which give less than 20% will be held for one year. IPOs which have bumper listing will be sold on listing and then bought later on.
Regarding cartrade,aptus and every bad listed IPO. I''m waiting for financial results. Including devyani..holding
4 lots lots cartrade avg...1545
645 shares of DEVYANI...avg..119
4 lots of Atpus..avg 353
1 lot irfc ..
1 lot shyam metallics
1 lot glenmark life science
..bas yehi dukh bhari kahani hai

Actually kept selling price at 885... lets c ...

@Monster I am also holding 3 lots of cartrade , aptus,devyani and irfc ...but cartrade turned out to be worst out of all these shares till now going down only

Thank god my shares not got sold today...after seeing the bulk deals I am now more confident of 4 digit target... All big names in bulk deal approx 200crs ...

@Earthking, thanks for the update of bulk deals. you made a good and bold decision in buying in Pre-open, I personally feel it may reward like ''Sona'' (even 50 % of Sona, its great hit)

Thanks

Those holding IRFC, sell immediately. Even with best of results, it is not performing. Therefore, I switched to PC Jewellers, which is similarly priced, as a contra-trade. I''m pretty sure I made the right switch.

@Monster Zero, @Have faith,
I am also having huge quantities in Car trade, Devyani and Aptus from IPO big lots, and added from secondary market as well. Except Devyani, both are in red.
Aptus may be a big hit in a quarter or so. Car trade seems under operator''s control, it may go down some more (add if you want to take some risks) but surely its going to hit multiple UC sooner or later. (just one good results, this can go beyond 2000). I also noted a buzz of ''new vehicles scrap policy'' may reduce its business, to me its just temporary.

Disclosure: I am not an analyst, these are my person opinion only.

@earthking: just because of these good bulk deals in car trade also, many people including me got convinced to hold for medium term atleast but it is going down most in recent ipos....god knows why....just hope that it will bounce back....
In last 2-3 days, most of the IPOs didn''t performed and went down intead, when market had good run up

Dear Lokes, this company is a manufacturing unit. It produces high precision products, which are very difficult to create. So, profit margin is very high for the company. It is definitely gonna grow fast, so as the share price too

Very true @lokes cartrade is biggest losser among all these IPOs ...I was also got convinced in cartrade to hold after watching those block deals in car Tarde

Bhaga..bhaga. 🔥

Thanks Sir for your review of this IPO.

Thank u sir, now I am also applying.

Aniketiaf sir
Thanks for view.
Keep it up

Thanks so much for your valued advise..
Its always great to have guru Like you in this forum
Have a Good Day

Apply ka decision ami ko dekhkar liya hai shyad..kyo ki usne 50% return diya or aapne apply nahi kiya..

Upid wale / hdfc bank / Boi / icici / cbi / kotak / indus jin jin bank ko 3 yaa 4 baje tak online apply karne dete he wo sab last day bhare 2 baje bad ager qib 13x cross kare fir karo batting...🔥

not kotak, kotak cutoff is 2 pm

@ Vaibhav,
You are right at some extent.
But
I have no regrets for not applying in Ami.
If I would had applied in Ami from my 6 accounts, my 90000 would have been blocked for an uncertain scenario ( Max one lot may be allotted ), but due to ongoing dream run in secondary market, I think I have increased my that 90000 to 10-15% during last one week.
Thanks.

Sorry to say mr but you are not that perfect to give suggestions to apply or not I have seen your comment for ami & Vijaya

So please it''s a kind request don''t give advice to people

Masters of IPO,
Totally agreed with you as you are absolutely right.
But,
"Aadat se Majaboor (a slave of one''s habits)" is an addiction which has afflicted to me also.
Thanks.

Appreciated Reply Form Your Side Mr.Aniketiaf
I really the way you give reply...👍


Do Posting

Masters of IPO JI,

I once again reiterate that no one can be 100% perfect in his views in the share market. Everyone tend to go wrong in rare few occasions. It doesn’t mean that they are not perfect to give suggestions to apply or not. I am sorry to state that you have made a hasty statement with out properly observing the history of all the views of the legend. Innumerable readers, including me, are very well benefitted with his kind views on most of the occasions and expressing their gratitude. We all admire him. Please think twice n study well before passing a comment.
I am sorry Aniket ji as I can’t refrain myself from responding. Thank you.

Aniketiaf sir
इतनी विनम्रता ............
सच में आप से बहुत कुछ सीखा जा सकता है।
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Aniket sir has done lot a of good work for this forum in past.. and hopefully in future too.. its our privileged to hve mentor like Aniket , eagleeye , Rajkumar sir at our side.. i alwys considered there advice before going for any ipo.. if someone is not agree with his advice than there is no need of any counter question as they are not charging anything from us.. its all up to us.. no one can ever predict d market.. i highly praise his knowledge.. If ipo Gurus were defaming like this soon they will stop suggesting.. and we r left with little bunnies who keep posting 5+ - gmp. Please maintain d decoram of d page n keep this in mind whatever d profit or loss its only yours.. no one is held accountable..

@Masters of IPO,

For your comment on @Aniketiaf suggestion on applying for this IPO.

About Ami Organics, please browse and check for yourself.
First he suggested to avoid,
"
225. AniketiafI Like It. 31|Report Abuse|Aug 29, 2021 17:22
IPO Guru IPO Guru (1500+ Posts, 8900+ Likes)
In brief,
If anyone ready to forsake the greed of (uncertain) 1000 rupees (per lot), than there is no harm to leave both the IPO (Ami + Vijaya) unattended.
I am not applying in anyone.
Thanks.
"

Then after looking at last day subscription figures, I asked his advice again and clearly said,
"G J ,
You must accept the mandate . Ami got much better then expected response. Hence it will definitely give listing gain."

And result is in front of everyone from Ami''s listing.
(by the same is true for Vijaya too, though I haven''t applied in it.)

@Masters of IPO,
My suggestion, please don''t criticize others unnecessarily.

@Masters of IPO
I am continuously reading comments from chittorgarh sites from last 2 years.
And learnt alot from all respected ipo gurus specially aniketif sir.
So please think 100 times before commenting.

@GJ : by posting these comments again, it looks like u r making fun of aniket instead of support :) since from the second comment, i got remind of "market first" comment...
No offense....i know in real u r supporting him

@lokes,

Yes, agreed. Market is always first, he can also go wrong sometimes, I know.
But he is always trying to help, that was my stand.

😊

Aniketiaf sir,
I applied in this IPO only due to your upmentioned message. Sold 2 lots @830 keeping one for long term. Thank you very much sir.
What about you sir, sold or keep on hold.

Sir,

Your valuable views have been taken note of. Thank you very much once again for your kind consideration of my concern and for your prompt n kind response.

Aniketiaf ji - Thanks for your valuable feedback. This gives me confidence to move ahead.

Aniket ji,
Purchased 150 shares at the average price of around Rs. 956/-. Now all the funds are exhausted n the price of the share has touched the low of Rs.942/- to purchase for my wife’s account. That is share market! No regrets as i waited for almost nearer to my anticipated price of Rs. 950/-. Thank you.

Plz no buyback discussion here. This forum is for primary ipo only. Hope u understand it.

@Aniketji, goldiam butback has been disapproved by company management, can you please confirm? Is it true?
https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/443b44c5-9ca9-4da4-a918-d151bda7b3db.pdf

@Roxpatel ji - date

@ Roxpatel ,
Disapproved @ 670
Reapproved @1200

Thanks.

Aniket sir sansera will give listing gain or not.

@ Ipo trader,
It should give listing gain around 10% but I am fully confident that it will become four digit club member within year.

Thanks.

If possible ,Share link about dividend and bonus history, which you mentioned

Sansera not paid any dividend for the last three fiscals and up to the date of filing their RHP : Dilip dawada

@cautious ipo yes, That''s why i asked for link or any proof

i have also checked RHP..
They have cleary mentioned that , they didn''t give any dividend in last 3 fiscal
( Under DIVIDEND POLICY SECTION )