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1258. PVN |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 9:45:33 PM
mr.vikas cool if u know that there is rs.20 discount for retail investor it means retail investor can buy maximum 232 shares.
430*232=99760.
1257. DON BOND |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 9:45:03 PM
BAKWAAS IPO INVEST IN FUTURE GROUP IPO
LET'S MY CALCULATION RELIANCE GIVE 15 OUT OF 225 IF EVERY INVESTOR GET SHARES THAT WHY PEOPLE BUY AT LISTING RATE SO IT'S LISTING WILL BE ON NOT MORE THAN WITH THE PREMIUM OF 400 THAT IS 850-1000
1256. max |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 9:42:17 PM
dont worry abt d other issue.....trust on reliance.........its a wealth creator.......go for it.....
1255. PVN |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 9:40:32 PM
Dear Friends,
Please explain ... For retail investors there is Rs. 20 is discounted means that we can bid for Rs.430 per share . My question is can i apply 232*430=99760 maximum amount and share. Or i have to pay in multiplication of Rs.450 per share and company will refund the rest of amount after wards.
1254. PVN |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 9:28:27 PM
You can apply online if you have online demate account of any Indian securitie company.
1253. Amar |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 7:50:05 PM
Dear Guha

USA people cant suscribe indian IPO's .......u can buy from market only or can apply for mutual fund
1252. H.P.GUHA |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 7:46:38 PM
Next 3-4 months I am in USA.Interrested to apply for Reliance Power IPO.Can I get Application Form Through Internet?I can fillup and send through courier with cheque.
Regards
1251. amit |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 7:15:16 PM
Dear sandeep,

first read the form and then give comments.

Rs. 20 discount is for all retail investors. irrespective of the payment mode you opt for.
secondly if you get shares that costs yoy less than 25865 then these will be treated as fully paid and you can sell them on listing day.
You will not be able to sell it on listing day if you get more than 60 shares.
1250. Deepak |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 7:01:32 PM
Mr Sandeep please do not misguide other from your foolish understanding
1249. Sandeep |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 6:48:54 PM
All those who are asking various questions on this site, hope the below helps(This is what I understand)

Very Important, Please note the following

Partial payment:
1) no discount of 20 bucks
2) you cannot sell on listing day for listing gains
3) Question: if I do partial payment(say 25K, and get allotment for less than 25K), even then I cant have listing gains????
- I don't know the answer yet, waiting for karvy to respond back

Full payment
1) discount of 20 bucks
2) Can sell on listing day

General:
1) Stock valued at high price, so don't buy on listing day, accumulate more only if falls below IPO price
2) this stock has to stabilize around the IPO listing price(450 - 650 range bound) for months to come,

and if you have more than 1 lakh to invest, see below

Very Important:
Whether a person is to be considered as 'retail' or 'HNI (also called as NIB - Non Institutional Bidder)' is automatic. If an individual puts in an application for shares worth Rs.1 lakh or less, his application is considered as an application in the retail category. If the application is for shares worth any amount more than one lakh, his application immediately falls in the 'HNI' category.

In the above paragraph, please note that whether the initial application amount is full or half or quarter is irrelevant. Only the value of the final fully paid shares is applicable. For example, in Reliance Power IPO, a person has an option of paying only 25% on application i.e. Rs.115 and the person who applies for approx.220 shares and pays Rs. 25300 is retail because he is actually applying for shares worth Rs.99000 (220 shares x Rs.450 which is the issue price for fully paid shares). However, if a person applies for say 500 shares and pays Rs.57,500 on application, he will be considered HNI because even though he is paying less than rupees one lakh on application, actually he is applying for shares worth Rs.2,25,000 (500 shares x Rs.450).

Thus, in Reliance Power, a normal individual investor with Rs.3 lakh can apply for shares worth Rs.12 lakhs using the part payment option but he/she will have to select category as 'HNI/NIB' in the physical or online application form.
1248. Manish |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 6:47:08 PM
I do not have money to invest in IPOs but have a demat account...does bank give loans for IPos
1247. Nuts |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 6:33:35 PM
for payment option, refer to Reliance power ipo payment option which is a link given on the top of this page
1246. viswanathan |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 6:26:00 PM
hi

can anybody tell the following query

if i apply for 225 shars@ rs.115(partialpayment) and alloted 225 shares then what is the time duration will the company give to pay the balance amount
1245. anuisha |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 6:19:32 PM
hi, which ipo is best rpl or future
1244. LB |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 5:54:00 PM
Hi, can anybody tell me:
If I apply for full lots in Part Payment mode and I am allotted only 1 lot (15 shares) then will settlement happen before listing date? and can I sell them on first day?
1243. Tulsyan is aginst this IPO |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 5:49:05 PM
Reliance Power is entering the capital market on 15th January, 2008, with a public issue of 26 crore equity shares of Rs.10 each, in the band of Rs.405 to Rs.450 per share. Of this, 3.20 crore shares would be subscribed by the promoters, while net issue is of 22.80 crore equity shares.



If one wants to meticulously analyze this company, it would probably run over hundred pages, and none of our readers may have that much time and interest to read it!



The company has plans to develop 13 medium and large sized power projects with a combined planned installed capacity of 28,200 MW, with an estimated outlay of close to Rs.1,30,000 crores. However, right now, the company has crystallized plans for 6 projects, with a capacity of 7,060 MW with total outlay of Rs.31,789 crores, which is being financed with debt of Rs.22,836 crores and balance of Rs.8,953 by equity. The proposed issue, at the upper band of Rs.450 per share, would mobilize Rs.11,700 crores, of which, promoters are bringing in only Rs.1,440 crores. About 88.50% of expanded equity base has been acquired by the promoters at par.



Of these 6 projects, Rosa Phase I, a 600 MW Coal Fired Project would start in March 2010, while remaining projects would go on stream with Rosa Phase II (600 MW) in September, 2010, Butibori (300 MW) in June 2010, Shahpur (4,000 MW) in two phases in March 2011 and December 2011, Urthing Sobla (400 MW) in March 2014 and Sasan (3,960 MW) in April 2016. So, it is certain that there would not be any financial performance from the company till FY10. Then, as an investor, what does one do, as no results or financial performance would be available to analyze neither quarterly nor yearly? Maybe, track and play on the stock price, as that is the only adventure that would remain during this interim period of project execution and erection.



The expanded equity of the company, Post IPO, would be placed at Rs.2,260 crores and taking the issue price at Rs.450 per share, this translates into a market capitalization of Rs.1,02,000 crores considering grey market premium of Rs.370 per share, with expected listing price of Rs.820, the same would be at Rs.1,85,000 crores. Enterprise value, in this case, would be close to Rs.2,10,000 crores. Does, the company, with long gestation periods, for all the greenfield power projects, deserve this kind of valuation ?



NTPC having a power generating capacity in excess of 25,000 MW, has a market capitalization of Rs.2,27,000 crores with estimated enterprise value (EV) of Rs.2,45,000 crores. NTPC also has an expected EPS of close to Rs.10 for FY 08 with Govt. of India holding 90%. Tata Power having power generating capacity of close to Rs.3,000 MW has a market capitalization of Rs.34,000 crores, with EV of close to Rs.36,000 crores. Even Tata Power has project pipeline of close to 7,000 MW, including Ultra Mega Power Project of 4,000 MW at Mundara.



While comparing these companies with Reliance Power, you are forced to conclude that either these companies are undervalued or Reliance Power has irrational exuberance.



Alternatively, Reliance Energy Ltd., one of the promoters of Reliance Power, which would be holding about 45% stake, post IPO has a present market capitalization of Rs.60,000 crores with EV of about Rs.65,000 crores. Its EPC, Contracting and Realty business is being valued at about Rs.20,000 crores, leaving valuation of Rs.45,000 crores, for 45% stake of Reliance Power. So, is it not advisable to buy Reliance Energy at Rs.2,565 instead of buying Reliance Power at Rs.450, with an eventual cost of about Rs.700 (considering interest cost of IPO) per share?



The restructuring of various power projects from Reliance Energy into the company were questioned, but concern is more on diluting the stake of Reliance Energy to 45%, post IPO. The new projects of close to 21,000 MW would need an investment of about Rs.95,000 crores, which would leverage the balance sheet, coupled with equity dilution, as there won’t be any internal accruals for the next 2 – 3 years from the operations. Also, some of the projects, like Sasan have been acquired at a wafer thin margin, (for the sake of acquiring it), which we wish, should not become onerous for the company. We have no apprehensions on the capability of the group, but there remains great execution risks, due to long delivery schedule of critical equipments like turbines, boilers and other power generating equipments.



Strictly speaking, comparing purely on fundamentals, better plays are available in the secondary market. Why to wait for 2 – 3 years, for the company to show performance? Still, with these if’s and but’s, HNI category is likely to get subscribed by close to 200 times, QIB, maybe, by about 150 times and Retail Category by about 7 to 8 times. So, if you want to ride the momentum, go ahead.

1242. RAVI |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 5:24:09 PM
it is going to over subscribed 5-7 in retail c.......
1241. Drsekhark |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 4:44:39 PM
Hi there,
Can anybody explain if there is any bias in allotment for part/full payment applications
cheers
Raj Sekhar
1240. ipoanalysis |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 4:32:41 PM
dear Pankaj,

You wil get only 15 shares -enjoy
1239. pankaj |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2008 4:28:47 PM
bhai aur bahano reliance power ka listing hone ke bad shares 900 ke above bech dena.900 ke above company ka market cap 2.5lakh crore ho jayega jo RIL ke equal hai.RIL ko 20 saal lage aur anilbhai 1 hi din me RIL ke equal ban jayenge.Itni badi amount pe 900 price jyada din nahi rah sakti.Company ke profit aane main 2.5 years hai, Aur phir budget bhi to hai.FII log sub bech bach ke bhag jayenge; rel petro aur petro china ke jaise aur phit kharidenge.

Waiting for views when to sell rel power?Allotment to hona pakka hai