Reliance Power Limited IPO Message Board (Page 253)

2055 Mr. Raj

I don't think you are right. Please read he following
which appears in same site under "payment Options".
In mehod 1 people will get 15 fully paid
shares (provided the retail subsription is <15).

If the amount paid by the Bidder is equal to or higher than the total amount payable (being the Issue Price multiplied by the number of shares allotted) by the Bidder on the Equity Shares allotted to the Bidder, company reserve the right to adjust the excess amount towards the Balance Amount Payable and issue fully paid Equity Shares only. The excess amount, if any, after adjusting the Balance Amount Payable shall be refunded to the Bidder (i.e., Refund = Total amount paid on bidding minus the total amount payable on the shares allotted).

2055. raj

source of information please.

ANIL

i have been saying since the opening of the issue. it will be subscribed 15 times. do not expect more than 15 shares.
for payment 1 mehtod 15 * 115 will be accepted and balance will be returned. after the call money notice one has to pay the amount. definitely your shares will be locked for 1 month. you cannot sell under option 1.

for 2nd payment method, 15 * 430 will be accepted.
pl read the DRHP

hi,
those who paid thro partial payment, the excess money will not be adjusted . they have to pay the balance amount after the call money notice is issued.
only for the 2nd payment method, excess money will be adjusted.

Reliance IPO-Think of those who have applied by method 2. Dead money for of 70,000 extra paid for nothing. Can anybody comment on this?

Definite Allotment of 15 Shares for each full Appl. @ 450/-
As per my analysis 60.15 % People have already applied in
Retail , the bal. 39.85 % will apply today 18th , so the retail subscription comes to 15 times.
But still I keep my fingers crossed.

i am sure about this issue every body can get shares.

don't afraid,every subscribers get reliance shares. our duty is over means fill the ipo of power [ power on india on ],now it is responsibility of reliance how to give ,how much give. be happy


chak de reliance




chak de india

Business: R POWER.
The company claims that it will be developing power generation projects of 28200 MW over
the next decade.
According to the IPO RHP, some of the projects that it will be developing are:
Rosa-I (to be commissioned in March 2010) - 600 MW - Coal based
Butibori (to be commissioned in June 2010) - 300 MW - Coal based
Rosa-II (to be commissioned in September 2010) - 600 MW - Coal based
Shahpur Gas (to be commissioned in March 2011) - 2800 MW - Gas based
Shahpur Coal (to be commissioned in December 2011) - 1200 MW - Coal based
Dadri (to be commissioned in March 2013) - 7480 MW - Gas based
Krishnapatnam (to be commissioned in September 2013) - 4000 MW - Coal based
Urthing Sobla (to be commissioned in March 2014) - 400 MW - Hydropower based
Tato II (to be commissioned in March 2014) - 700 MW - Hydropower based
MP Power (to be commissioned in July 2014) - 3960 MW - Coal based
Siyom (to be commissioned in March 2015) - 1000 MW - Hydropower based
Kalai II (to be commissioned in March 2016) - 1200 MW - Hydropower based
Sasan (to be commissioned in April 2016) - 3960 MW - Coal based
If
everything goes as planned, capacity of Reliance Power at end of each year till 2016 will be:
2008: 0 MW.
2009: 0 MW.
2010: 1500 MW.
2011: 5500 MW.
2012: 5500 MW.
2013: 16980 MW.
2014: 22040 MW.
2015: 23040 MW.
2016: 28200 MW.
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Other Similar Companies:
I can think of two companies in the power generation sector that Reliance Power can be
compared with:
NTPC and Tata Power.
NTPC has current capacity of 28000 MW and has target to achieve 66000 MW by 2017. ( See
this thread on NTPC).
Around 2012 - 2013, both Tata Power is expected to have similar capacity as Reliance Power.
The interesting thing is at current price of Rs 1457, Tata Power is valued at just Rs 30000 crore.
Remove Rs 10000 crore of investments and you can have it only for Rs 20000 crore.
At Rs 900, Reliance Power will have market value of 200000 crores....6.67 times that of Tata
Power. .
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Financials:
With 2300 MW capacity, Tata Power made standalone profit of Rs 700 crore in FY 2007.
With 28000 MW capacities, NTPC made standalone profit of Rs 6900 crore in FY 2007.
Lets assume Reliance Power turns out to be much more efficient than these two companies.
Add to that increased power rates.
With 28200 capacity, assume Reliance Power makes Rs 15000 crore of net profit in 2016-2017.
Power companies are considered as utilities and worldwide trade at 10-15 times their
earnings.
Lets assume 15 times ratio for Reliance Power in 2016.
What will be its market value?
15000 X 15 = Rs 225000 crore or Rs 995 per share.
This is an optimistic view:
-there will be no further equity dilution till 2016.
-assuming nearly twice as much efficiency as NTPC.
-that all projects will be completed before 2016 end.
-the company would have paid back all debt by then and interest costs would be in similar
range as NTPC.
(NTPC already has established 28000 MW capacity and comparatively much lesser interest
costs. (NTPC's P&L account states Rs 1800 interest cost for FY 2007).
So what about the debt?
The RHP mentions estimated cost of six projects Rosa I, Rosa II, Butibori, Sasan, Shahpur
Coal, Urthing Sobla as Rs 30000 crore+.
Analysts estimate that Reliance Power will need Rs 70000 crore of debt to finance its projects
which are estimated to cost 100000 crore+.
Rs 70000 crore of debt is not going to come at 2% interest rate. Even a 6% interest would
mean an annual interest cost of Rs 4200 crore. Only in 2013, the company's capacity will
cross 10000 MW. Thus, I do not expect any major debt repayment before 2014. If things don't
go as planned, the debt burden will make a mockery of the balance sheet.
With Rs 12000 crore raised in equity and Rs 70000 crore of debt, these whole business will
become a high-risk venture.
Any unforeseen delay/derailment of plans may create major problems for this company.
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Reliance Power - The Overlooked Fact:
What does Anil Ambani's AAA Project or REL lose?
Both of them had got their 45% (post-IPO) stake for Rs 1000 crore each. Plus they will each
subscribe to 1.6 crore shares each at Rs 450 in the IPO......which works out to be Rs 720 crore.
Thus, AAA Project will be getting 101.6 crore shares of Reliance Power for Rs 1720 crore and
REL will be getting 101.6 crore shares of Reliance Power for Rs 1720 crore.
Little less than Rs 17 per share.
This is what both the promoters are risking in this project....Rs 17 per share ; while investors
will be risking Rs 450 per share.
This is exactly the reason why Reliance Power was created.
First, by contributing just Rs 1720 crore each to Reliance Power, the promoters have shifted
all risk to investors.
Second, by getting 45% stake (in REL's projects) to AAA Project for a mere Rs 1000 crore,
AAA Projects (and Anil Ambani) have created wealth out of thin air.
Anil Ambani's Rs 1000 crore investment will be worth Rs 100000 crore when Reliance
Power lists at Rs 900.
If the gamble works, the promoters (holding 90% stake in Reliance Power) will be worth
billions of dollars.
If the gamble doesn't work, the promoters will lose Rs 1720 crore each and investors will
lose Rs 10000+ crore which they will be paying for a mere 10% stake in Reliance Power.
What a way to create wealth...!!!....I don't have words to describe the brilliance of Anil
Ambani's plans... .
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First, other companies are much cheaper.
Why should I keep a company valued at Rs 200000 crore -
when another company (with similar capacity by 2013) is available at Rs 30000 crore with
much smaller debt burden and Rs 10000 crore worth of investments...........referring to Tata
Power.
If Reliance Power (at Rs 900) is available for Rs 200000 crore, why not buy NTPC for a
similar price ......Rs 225000 crore. NTPC plans to have a capacity of 66000 MW in 2017, while
Reliance Power will have 28200 MW capacity in 2016.
Second, the risk is higher than other existing companies.
With marginally cash flows for next 5 years and Rs 70000+ crore of debt, the risk for Reliance
Power is high. Tata Power and NTPC have existing cash flows to handle
expansions....Reliance Power does not.
Third and the biggest factor is....the valuation of the company doesn't make much sense.
Why should Reliance Power be valued at Rs 200000 crore, when in highly optimistic
scenario, it will not make more than Rs 15000 crore of profit in 2016? Even if it touches that
figure of Rs 15000 crore, its market value in 2016 will not be much more than 225000-300000
crore. (if given a 15-20 times multiple).
A fixed deposit will make more money than that in 8 years.....and that too without any risk.
Also, the optimistic Rs 15000 crore figure is got by assuming two times margins as NTPC.
The fact is..... at least till 2014, Reliance Power will still be carrying most of its Rs 70000
crore debt and its interest costs will squeeze margins to a large extent.

Applied for 2lot by partly payment option,can I get any share?

Pan no will be same for first applicant,
joint holders are different , so different panno for each joint holder,
pls revert

as of now (17th jan 08 10pm) its oversubscribed 8 times in retail. my icicidemat act says "executed" now (though i applied yesterday) hope this problem solved for all.

as per reliance policy (dhirubhai ambani) first investors or public get benefit. therefore every investors get benefit from reliance if they are patients.

chak de reliance


chak de india

GMIT,
PAN Number is considered as unique identity for differentiating duplicate applications. So Name and Address should not make difference. Eveything will be fine as far as you file the returns on each of the applicant.
Ramki

if it gets more than 15 times subscribed then there will be lottery system. Minimum lot is 15 shares so some unlucky people will get nothing

now it is clear that reliance power ipo more than 15 times tomorrow in retail category . but don't get thing, every subscribers receive at least between 12 to 15 shares. be happy

chak de reliance

chak de india

If I apply for Max lot in Retail my BID value should be less than 1 lakh. But Here I saw people applied for 225 shares. Is it a valid application ?

Ramki

Waiting for a reply

Sorry Vijay, No idea.
I know about only retail category

first name same but joint holders are different, (same address as first holder is same),
Will they be treated as duplicate application