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60. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 7:48:15 PM
ANCHER INVESTER 425 PER SHARES. BUY
59. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 7:43:05 PM
Subscription till today

QIB 0.30 times
Non institutional 0.21 times
Retail 0.09 times

Seeing the figures, it looks like can't go beyond 2 times retail tomorrow
58. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 7:30:21 PM
i am not advocating the ipo but tulsian has bad track record of analysis right from empee distilleries 2 yrs back to shree ganesh jewellery etc etc.
57. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:59:51 PM (200+ Posts)
SP TULSIAN VIEW
Frankly, Ramky is costly!

Ramky Infrastructure is entering the capital market on 21st September 2010, with a public issue of Rs. 530 crores, in the price band of Rs. 405 to Rs. 468 per share. Of this, fresh issue is of Rs. 350 crores while offer for sale is of Rs. 180 crores.



Nowadays, all the sectors are defined with new names, may be to show an improved business model of the company. For example, transport is named Logistic, Casino as Gaming, theatrical as film exhibition, contracting companies as EPC player and PPP companies as Developer or Infrastructure companies.



Same is seen in case of this company as well, as this contracting company is seen projecting itself as an EPC player. Apart from this, it has portfolio of some road and integrated township project, which are now at an infancy stage and has to grow, which may take at least couple of years, to contribute in respectable manner to the financials of the company, on consolidated basis.



It is also strange to see the BRLM and promoters steeply valuing the IPO on its earnings and assets either at higher earning multiples or on NPV basis, and without making any comparison with existing listed peers. Also, concept of an expected gap between secondary market and primary market valuations, are also not adhered to. Infact, a gap of 10% to 15% must exist between a listed peer and IPO pricing, with public issue valued lower, so as to have some room for appreciation for prospective investors.



The company seems to be doing the same mistake. For FY10, on consolidated basis, the total income of the company was placed at Rs. 2,251 crores with PAT at Rs. 129 crores. This results into an EPS of Rs. 26, on equity base of Rs. 49.42 crores. So, the share is issued at a PE multiple of 15.50 times at the lower band and at a PE of 18 times at the upper band. Infact, price band having range of over 15% is also quite confusing for the prospective investors, to take a call on the issue in respect to its correct price.



Maybe, to look this PE multiples attractive, even wrong data of peer companies are presented in RHP. For examples, PE of IVRCL is stated at 62 times on page 49 of RHP while it is at 20 times. One fails to understand the necessity of relying on data presented by a publication (which are non-consolidated)instead of relying on published data of such companies, available on NSE and BSE sites. Same variation exists for other peer also, like Nagarjuna Construction.



Also, in the sum of part valuation, we have estimated value of developer business at around Rs. 600 crores, while the same is claimed to be at Rs. 1,200 crores, by the management, relying on the report of some consultant or experts. When objective figures of published results of peer companies are difficult to rely upon, how one can rely upon the subjective valuations of the projects of the company. Infact, valuation as estimated by us of Rs. 600 crores, of developer business, is on the lines of prevailing valuations given by the market to similar companies.



To make the realistic comparison, IVRCL and Nagarjuna Construction are two listed peers having its presence in the same sector, where company is operating. IVRCL, for FY10, on consolidated basis, had a topline of Rs. 5,830 crores with PAT at Rs. 215 crores, on equity base of Rs. 53.40 crores, translating into an EPS of Rs. 8.05 per share. This results into a market capitalization of Rs. 4,450 crores, at price of Rs. 167 per share. However, the company is holding 80.5% stake in IVRCL Assets, market value of which is at Rs. 1,880 crores or Rs. 70 per share. Even if we deduct Rs. 47 per share, being 66% of this value, from share price of IVRCL, the value per share works out at Rs. 120 per share. This results in a PE of about 15 times.



Similar is the case with Nagarjuna Construction, which had a consolidated topline of Rs. 5,900 crores for FY10, with PAT at Rs. 282 crores, resulting in an EPS of Rs. 11 on equity base of Rs. 51 crores. At current price of Rs. 162, share is ruling at a PE of less than 15 times. Even the order book of both the companies are over Rs.22,000 crores, which are equal to the 4 years topline.



Even on price to book basis, stock of this company looks more expensive when compared to two peers, as stated above. Nagarjuna Construction having BV of Rs.90 is ruling at a PBV of 1.80 times, while IVRCL having book value of Rs.76 is ruling at a PBV of 2.20 times. Excluding value of IVRCL Assets, it is ruling at a PBV of 1.60 times.



At the upper band, equity of the company will rise to Rs.56.90 crores with net worth at Rs.905 crores, resulting in a BV of Rs. 159 per share. So, this will translate into a PBV of 2.95 times.



Lately, these contracting companies are seeing stagnation or fall in its PE multiple, more especially Hyderabad based companies. As this company falls in the same category, having almost less than half the topline and bottomline, when compared with IVRCL and Nagarjuna Construction , it does not deserve a PE multiple of over 12 times.



Since the price band has been announced so steep, one can contemplate going in for the issue only at the lower band, or look for ideas in the secondary market.
56. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:56:22 PM
be very selective, all rush is to fool us
55. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:09:50 PM (300+ Posts)
51. SJ / Chem Cho

I am asking Operator fot strategy to play in Cantabil Retail. I have asked investment plan for another Operator scrip Tirupati Ink to Chem Cho. I need to ask Operator for strategies.

If you ask thief to do watch-man job, then there is no question of theft! Hence, I am taking and following advise of Chem Cho to make profit leveraging on his 16 years of market experience!! My request for investors is to utilise rich experience of Chem Cho, buy in truck load, go to world tour & become millionaire within 12 days!!!
54. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:57:07 PM
thanks sj

but now the only thing worrying me is the subscription figures are almost nothing (though 1 day is left)

if the appetite is low, how can there be listing gains ??


53. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:50:37 PM
dear anonymus

yes apply......

Forget reports..

Have you seen listing of arss and man infra......

They listed wellll

this will also....

You can take risk for listing gain

regards

sj
52. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:43:35 PM
setu bhai yeh to batao ki finally ramky mai apply karen ki nahi ??
conflicting reports are coming

looks like everyone is saying half-heartedly that since company is good, order book is good, margins are best, fundamentals r good, so good for medium-long term but valuation slightly on higher side, particularly at higher end of the band

not much subscription till now

51. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:37:43 PM
this setu posting....from mobile coz i dont know how to type underscore thru querty keypad hence cant login

ravi dont buy cantabill

chemcho is operator he has sold it in grey and is telling public to apply.........

He is cheater he will sell on lsiting and telling public to buy

lolllllllllll............

Finally .........

Even i was waiting when he gives expert advice on ipo....hnce i did not reply to his posts now,....

Now hhe will agin say that ravi and sj is same person....and are fake.......

Lollllllll........

Regards

sj
50. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:37:00 PM
180-crore proceeds from IPO goes to the selling share holders- Alla Ayodya Rami Reddy, Tara India Holdings and Tara India Fund III Trust, while out of Rs 350-crore proceeds from fresh issue of shares, Rs. 175 crore goes to working capital requirement. As large portion of IPO is going for working capital requirement, this is a deterrent for listing gain.

Growing more than 50% from past few years. Hence, good for medium-term but not comfortable for near-term. Little experience in Public-Private Partnership (PPP) model & may not qualify for large orders independently without alliance.

Check grey market premium before putting your application. Be prepared to exit at first opportunity in case of trouble in first 10 minutes of listing. IPO is comfortable with 2 - 3 quarters perspective.
49. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:14:21 PM
comment 45 is a copy of indiabulls securities report
subscribed only 0.01 times till 5 PM
only in retail category till now
Looks like high chances of large allotment, if applied
48. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:12:17 PM (300+ Posts)
33. Chem cho

I follow you and apply four full applications for Cantabil Retail. In case it does not perform well on browses, then I will call you as Operator & Cheater. Is it OK for you?
47. aRYANrAJ |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 4:19:57 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (600+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
45. Anonymous

do you know what is pe? you are estimating further fall in pe in fy11 as 13.1x or 15.2x at current 20! which means fall in profit earning by 25%! LOL
46. Bj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 4:14:47 PM
SJ,Sridhar,
Whats your take?
GEM has given green signal.
45. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 3:45:14 PM
Hi Guys,
you can subcribe to ramky without second thought. here is report.

Ramky Infrastructure Limited (Ramky) is entering in the capital markets with an initial public offering (IPO) of up to13.1 mn equity shares of Rs. 10 each at a price band of Rs. 405–468 to raise up to Rs. 5.3 bn. The issues consisting of a fresh issue of up to 8.6 mn equity shares aggregating up to Rs. 3.5 bn by the company and an offer for sale of equity shares aggregating up to Rs. 1.8 bn by Mr. Alla Ayodhya Rami Reddy, Tara India Fund III trust and Tara India Holdings A Limited. The issue, which will be through a 100% book building process, will constitute 28.0% of the post-issue paid-up equity capital of the company.
Valuation and recommendation:
We value Ramky’s stock at Rs. 504, by using the DCF method (WACC of 14.8% and terminal growth of 5%), which offers an upside potential of 24% over the lower end of the price band and 8% over the upper end of the price band. We expect the Company to continue enjoying better margins over the average of its peer set (IVRCL Infrastructures & Projects Ltd., Nagarjuna Construction Co. Ltd., Consolidated Construction Consortium Ltd. and Simplex Infrastructure Ltd.) with an EBITDA margin and a net margin of 13.8% and 5.7%, respectively, as compared to an EBITDA and a net profit margin of 9.6% and 3.9%, respectively, of its peer set for FY11E. This is primarily attributable to its operating efficiencies and diverse order book . The issue appears attractive with a forward P/E of 13.1x at the lower end of the price band and 15.2x at the upper band for FY11E, as compared to the average P/E of 15.3x for FY11E for its peer set. Thus we recommend investors to subscribe to the issue.
44. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 2:36:01 PM
comment # 42 is a copy of sp tulsian site.
43. Parikh rushik |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 2:29:33 PM
not a good issue so do not subcribe
r.k
42. Rushikesh pandya |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 2:28:51 PM
At the upper band, equity of the company will rise to Rs.56.90 crores with net worth at Rs.905 crores, resulting in a BV of Rs. 159 per share. So, this will translate into a PBV of 2.95 times.

Lately, these contracting companies are seeing stagnation or fall in its PE multiple, more especially Hyderabad based companies. As this company falls in the same category, having almost less than half the topline and bottomline, when compared with IVRCL and Nagarjuna Construction , it does not deserve a PE multiple of over 12 times.

Since the price band has been announced so steep, one can contemplate going in for the issue only at the lower band, or look for ideas in the secondary market.
41. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 2:23:34 PM
NO ONE IS TAKING THE FORMS EVEN @ 1500. SO DON'T APPLY FOR THIS IPO. SEA TV IS BETTER OPTION, BECAUSE OPERATER WILL DRIVE SEA TV SHARES.