Abhi to RAINBOW ne investors k sare colour B&W kar diye, dekhte hai aage kya hota hai. Baki dilip davda sir ne kaha tha k short to long term me or listing k baad accha perform karega.
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May 10, 2022 6:59:51 PM
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Varshaa if you feel fraud reviews in Chittorgarh then why visiting here, consult your financial advisor before doing anything. Anyone can go wrong anytime
booked 2.5k loss in retail. now holding two retail for short to medium term.
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May 10, 2022 12:24:57 PM
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Bad listing here than everyone's expectations. Campus performed much better in weak market and this couldn't even list at par in avg. market today. As i mentioned, since all hni and retailers were allotted here so that created too much selling pressure (and no new buying from them like in campus) and there was no big buying happened by QIB's too here like happened in campus.
I am holding all my shares since i am convinced with this company for longer term. People can decide as per their holdings and time horizon, and may book partial loss around 520-530 if it comes in some days (since it will be tough for it now to cross 540 as there will be huge selling pressure there whenever it will come near as allotted people will keep trying to sell then) and keep holding remaining for longer with some stoploss around 470 etc or as per your thinking/risk.
And in future, in avg. ipos, apply carefully in HNI category at least and as per, how much allotment someone can have/hold as per new hni rules etc and as per his own risk, without following big people much(they can handle easily 5-10% loss but everyone can't). Retail 1 lot is still fine since losses won't be bigger but in HNI it may have big losses even with 5-10% down due to minimum big allotment, so don't apply too many multiple hni applications etc in average ipo's.
@Lokes.. and friends.. Agree with Lokes, Listing was worse than expected and too much selling pressure because of 14 lot allotments. I mentioned earlier that the post listing share movement will be crucial. I hope it does not go much below current price of 485. I am holding to all my allotment and being a bit careful while applying stop loss too soon. As mentioned, till live sHNI/bHNI subscription breakup in not mentioned, I would be apply for half of the allotment I want in IPO and try to buy remaining half at listing, as I see this trend continuing at least in average IPOs. Hope it recovers soon...
@MRavi.. Great!!! As I wrote, that precisely is going to be my strategy in average IPOs till I see subscription live breakup. Unfortunately I can not add more as I already have handfull :)
@lokes @mravi @Avenue: I’ve been following you all for a few months now although I’ve been a silent reader. Thank you very much for always helping out new investors and providing the confidence to hold stocks even when surrounded with panic and negativity.
I was allotted 1 lot and 1 added 1 lot @495 levels. I’m going to hold for long term because I’ve been to this hospital and it is a highly sought after hospital in Bangalore for pediatrics and gynaecology. So I believe it will do well in the future.
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May 10, 2022 1:38:26 PM
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This stock will offer good gains over a period. Am holding my allotted lots. Those seeking in the listing gains and newcomers need to be careful while investing assessing their ability to hold or book loss. Don't follow blindly eternal risk takers or those who have ability to wait with losses due to their existing portfolios and cash flows...
80k flat..😀 I think this will fall more, will exit after some bounce..
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May 10, 2022 2:02:05 PM
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that's why i said to keep some stoploss around 470, to avoid such free falls. @avenue: yes my last para was for you too and many of us ;) As i said already in multiple messages, it will be very tough for it to cross 540 in short term so to sell above 500-510 etc- whenever comes but its went down a lot. My half holdings are sold now at 479 stoploss and still holding remaining half :( I may take longer time now to come back above 500.
@Lokes... Yes I missed. This has been a bad decision since beginning but will bear the cost. Thanks...
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May 10, 2022 2:25:17 PM
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Because it was running parallel with superfast campus express, it had to be stopped, and many were wise and shifted from rainbow to campus seeing agility and gain, had it come alone (not with any superb IPOs) it would have performed. But untill campus is nearby its destination, rainbow may not show us its colors, may be will take days or months, untill then either to keep it in our Demats as unrealized loss or make it actual loss by exiting. *I hold 3 lots in hope. Nothing seems to be adverse in company. Will hold.
That's pure loss aversion (and I agree it works in hard way in investing) Common sense says instead of hanging to the same stock, book loss and jump to something where high possibility of profit or at least stability.
Not sure I feel good or bad basis on my decision. Sold my allotted lot in morning @505. Later bought it at @434 just to recover my loses hoping it will again go up. Not sure what made me to buy it back; hope it will go high again.
@varshaa is this your first ipo... kindly build your psychology then apply IPOs because you behave like a immature kid
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May 10, 2022 4:13:12 PM
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Mr. Ravi had guts and perhaps sixth sense to purchase 1000 shares. May be he will rewarded soon. I too purchased few @ 445. Let us see what happens. Yesterday, was a great day in Campus. Today, rain spoiled the party.
@IPObull, Not sixth sense, I have added 1000 shares @485 and another 1000 shares @433. It was unfortunate that it listed badly and followed by big sell off by the operators. Lets hope it will come back soon.
Though I am a small investor, I have one lot of Rainbow, I too have same sense like @MRavi for Rainbow. I too, will not sell this in short term. It will bounce back with other stocks once this phase goes. Lets see.
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May 10, 2022 5:47:44 PM
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Since its financials are improving and it is a Re 10 FV stock, do not worry much. You can even accumulate tomorrow or day after it it falls further. You will not lose much from there. The risk reward ratio will be favorable for sure. Its not a doomsday stock.
@Wishal u said earlier aamin which is used by Christians and Muslims.
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May 10, 2022 5:56:03 PM
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I don't know why so many pessimistic messages for Rainbow. It's a Profitable Company. Hospital located in Prime places and good reputation... KIMS IPO comes with Rs.825 even today it trading around 1262... Still gave me a healthy 45%. .. Control your nerves don't blame SEBI or Dilip Sir... Its Portfolio Stock.. Keep Hold it will give good returns.
@Lokes What's your verdict for Rainbow on listing day as well as short to medium term? And please also tell what you concluded by analysing price action and closing price of campus? Global market is in deep red and there is hell lot of uncertainty in near time because of rate hike and FII outflow. How do you navigate these two IPOs?
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May 10, 2022 1:51:45 AM
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@jetha: in campus, since it closed below 380 so better to exit (or book partial profit) tomorrow morning at any price between 380 to 400. Since markets are not in good shape so it will be tough for that to perform better going forward, since already it gave good listing and further movements today. it should do well once markets will perform again but no idea how long it will take.
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May 10, 2022 10:24:01 AM
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Campus to cross 400 pretty shortly. Will cross yesterday's high of 418
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May 10, 2022 10:46:28 AM
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From tomorrow, I think Campus will never go below 400
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May 10, 2022 11:34:46 AM
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I kept a SL of 385 to protect my profit on allotted 714 shares.
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May 10, 2022 12:08:42 PM
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@ipobull: yes if we are holding, then better to have stoploss. I have sold partially today at 395 and 405, remaining holding.
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May 10, 2022 4:53:50 PM
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i wish i had sold all campus today morning itself instead of half..... it also came down today...so will sell remaining tomorrow morning if getting above 380 or will keep stoploss arounf 360 to protect profits. Now my campus one application whole profit taken by rainbow and one campus application profit remaining still (unrealized, until all campus/rainbow booked). Rainbow also half sold half still pending. Dono subah nikal jate to sahi rehta.
@Have Faith you are not a drhp reader you are just a investor based on other people's opinions..tell me on what basis you compared with car trade... don't compare with anyone after 2-3 days you will saw a good bounce back...even you take decent profits as well within 1-2 months..
@gandhi after 1-2 months i will be here to discuss profit and i am not comparing it with anyone as most time sentiments works in stock market wheather financials are good or bad …..for everyone paytm was expensive at 2000 but at 500 also no one is buying it why ?
Yesterday Campus profit become negative due Rainbow today loss. I got firm allotment in five small HNI Rainbow 1890@542. Sold 1800@510 in pre-open and rest 90@450 in post market,
Conclusion is that new HNI rules really double sided sword till exchanges not provide clear HNI both category data separately'
I hoping around 2-3 allotment out of five but got firm allotment in third party ASBA even.
I started investing from June 21 till now did decent invested around 4.5L with profit arund 1.3L ( max profit went to 2L) This is the first time Im alloted hni but what happened today I won't forget rest of my life alloted 405 shares total exited 365 shares at around 425 with fear of going to LC now i will sell my 2 alloted lots of adani wilmar when circuit opens and will try to forget this nightmare new hni rules might be a double edged sword for small investors like me I advise those who r reading this to learn from my mistake do not apply more than u can risk losing
@Ramsen... Sorry for your loss but I am sure you will recover soon. Just be a bit more cautious. New HNI rules are sword for everybody. It has some good points but very bad at some. Hope SEBI takes note of shortfalls and corrects soon. Best wishes...
Most of us understand today that we can not even trust qib subscription. Where is qib today who applied 40x at 542? This is worst then Paytm performance on listing day. Most of the retail and hni traped. Alloted 2000 shares and still holding .
The most unfortunate thing happened, the min I sold it at 425, the rate shot up..... I think God was waiting to see me make this blunder...
Biggest loss and a very stupid mistake.... Today i behaved completely like a weak hand... Buy this reminded me of AGS, I had so much faith in this company... Major 💔
I should definitely appreciate my luck. Applied using UPI. Got application number but due to some technical glitch application not associated with mandate. Yesterday amount released and today bought in discount of 100 Rs
I agree with you... Will renter Tom. As too much buying and selling has happened for today.l, it's messing my avg.
I'm glad it worked out for you... Best of luck, it genuinely is a nice company l, just the market is really bad for fully to overpriced IPOs.. only undervalued IPOs are giving returns
@Investing for a better tomorrow, Timing was not in your favour today.But I must say that you are not alone here as this happen to lot of us. when I sell the stock moves up and when I buy if falls. But I suggest you to think before taking new position in rainbow because we don't have any signals for the bottom yet and still selling is continuing. Currently the secondary market presents many opportunities so if you want to make profit to offset this loss you can plan accordingly.
@Investing for a better tomorrow... It happens. Even I think my actions control the stock market. If I sell a share it start to move up and if I buy they start to go down. That's why I Prefer IPO over Secondary... :)
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May 10, 2022 3:28:36 PM
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Ideally SEBI should do minimum allotment in both HNI categories as 1 lot only. This way more (most) people will be allotted in HNI in good ipos and big investors can get more lots as per their bids size in all kind of average/good ipos since 14times more applications it can cater in both categories in comparison to now so mostly everyone will get and some will get more as per their bids but none will get too much. So selling pressure won't be much, it will be more distributed and losses will also be less to individuals.
Investors are a headache for SEBI. Those babus have to unnecessarily pretend to work 3-4 hours in a day because of us investors. SEBI would be happy if we all become bankrupt.
@lokes One of the main advantage that SEBI saw in new HNI rules is the control of HNI funding and diverse allotment.so if the minimum allotment is made 1lot to HNI then again it is same as before (funding starts). On lighter note SEBI wants the people to be more prudent/wise now before applying for IPOs so we can be more of investors rather than speculators.(not applicable who apply for listing gain)
Abias. SEBI should not allow FIIs / QIB to participate in IPO. IPO should only be for retail. Let FII and QIB buy from retailers on listing if they really like the share.
@sdz @Lokes and others... anybody who got 14 lots in good IPO would definitely be happy.
Point is 14 lots allotment to a single HNI, as compared to 1 lot to 14 HNI, has No Point. Can anyone suggest any benefit of it. Infact SEBI new rules were done as a corrective measure to allocate shares to maximum HNI investors. For that blocking funding and to some extent dividing HNI in two was good enough.
Secondly, implementing the rule of two seperate sub categories for different type of investors, without showing their respective live subscription is pure stupidity and We don't know if at all they are going to show. I will be keep to see HNI participation in coming average IPOs. .
@IPOINPUT, I have different opinion on this.after the 1991 scam it become very important to have a regulatory body like SEBI. And I personally think it has played a significant role in scaling the Indian capital/stock market. Now even I see some flaws in the methodology of listing loss making companies,overpriced IPOs etc that SEBI has to look into. After a raging Bull market you can quote "IPO should only be for retail" but as a retailer we are the first and worst hit once the cycle returns. FII/QIB are smart money as they provide stability/capital appreciation and their interest is not in favour of retailers always. As retail our focus should be on, 1. Principal/capital protection. 2.calculate risk vs reward 3.taking decision on our own conviction/research (not from tips)
@avenue Rightly said and it will be better if we have the subscription numbers of different HNI categories.
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May 10, 2022 4:22:31 PM
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@lokes, In Campus, it was so wonderful getting 14 lots. In this, of course, I only applied for 1 lot from 4 accounts. But, SEBI has its own reasons and brought these changes after a careful study based on data. We as investors should curse ourselves for going gung ho in every IPO. We should be prudent enough and do cherry picking like in Campus.
Abias All of 1. Principal/capital protection. 2.calculate risk vs reward 3.taking decision on our own conviction/research (not from tips)
this is theoretically true but almost impossible to implement for a living human with sense of greed and fear. I made a lot of money picking up bluechips at throwaway prices but couldn't sell them at multifold prices as an investor has nowhere to go but to be in quality stocks. But all those ultrahigh gains are eroded now. Here we have regulators who don't weigh the pros of new rules against the cons. Here we have a history professor to run the reserve bank. And we have hurriedly crafted policies that contradict each other.
@IPOINPUT.... - Many if not most of applicants in sHNI are Retail investors only. - No problem if IPO is made only for retailers, but will it be OK if 14 lots minimum is allotted to 1 retailer as compared to 1 lot being allotted to 14 retailers. .
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May 10, 2022 4:48:57 PM
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@ipobull: yes as i informed in my other message too, we need to be much careful in average ipos while applying in HNI category now. Average ipos can give good gains like recently in uma export , hariom pipes and veranda learning (this was not even average ipo, below than that but gave most returns) and they can give good losses also. But the thing is previously with old rules, with 1 application of 2 lakh too, we used to get some lots as per subscriptions so going gung ho and applying in HNI was not this much big concern, but now we will get whole 2 lakh and if someone applying more than 1 SHNI application then he may get both allotted means 28 lots, so now gains/losses will be much bigger than before, so yes we need to be much more careful now in hni category especially. @sdz@avenue: yes applying and getting 14 lots in very good ipo is fine but not in average ipo with average gmp and high valuations. Hope we all will take care in coming three main board ipos. Will discuss there anyways more once open :)
@Abias... Your all points are agreed. But I could not understand just the following" "if the minimum allotment is made 1lot to HNI then again it is same as before (funding starts)."
Keeping everything same as in the new rules if just 1 lot is allotted to maximum HNIs and not 14, at least in sHNI category, how will this result in starting of funding.
Avenue. That is what i am saying. SEBI should first define the retail. And there should be nothing such as a small or a big hni. If they dont want people to get funding then ban funding. 14 lots in a single account is not the kind of risk the retailers should take. Otherwise SEBI should implement the rule where the investor's loss beyond 5 % is compensated by the IPO money held in an escrow account. Full money would be released to the promoter only if the IPO lists at par or at a premium.
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May 10, 2022 4:10:49 PM
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Beware of new member they r saying my application got rejected ..I will buy tommo. I think all Humbug ...trying to push up B care FUL... There r many stocks available in Market
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May 10, 2022 4:19:26 PM
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i hope Rs 450 is better price to quit for today , donot know what will happen tomorrow 15 20 pm