is this IPO a sale through or date extended or scrap?
105. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
December 28, 2022 9:37:16 AM
IPO Guru (2000+ Posts, 1700+ Likes)
Issue has scraped through. As issue subscription number does not include anchor numbers If we include anchor numbers in subscription so far then issue can scrape through. Though bHNI subscription looks doubtful (looks like driven from company linked sources)
104. Eklavya| Link| Bookmark|
December 28, 2022 9:18:21 AM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
So, after all, Jainam Brokers and TopShareBroking were the most accurate in their reviews.
They were also right in some previous cases.
104.1. Eklavya| Link| Bookmark|
December 28, 2022 9:35:08 AM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
Correction: *Jainam Broking and *TopShareBrokers....
NSE and BSE are a market place where a seller ( promoter) comes to sell his company's stake and the seller has whole and sole right to price his shares at whatever price he feels is comfortable. The buyer's ( retail, fii, dii,qibs, etc) have their own opinion on what price to buy in. Sebi can just create rules to how and where, but why is a choice of seller.
@Monster You are absolutely right. A seller can entere the market to sell at any price irrespective of any justification. Even they are not bound to give any justification. It is also there that will charge the maximum. Exceptions are also there. It's the duty of the buyer to decide whether the price is reasonable or not. Price is determined with the consultation with some of the market authorities. No doubt they work in favor of the seller only. Share Market being one of the mirrors of growth of a country, don't you think that there should be some one to look into the pricing of the IPOs. SEBI is the regulatory for the process only? I think so. To save the retail investors from this absorbent pricing, is it not necessary to have some control over the companies? All retailers don't have knowledge. They don't understand what is FV, what is company doing. They belive in GMP. Even members of our Forum belive in GMP and subscription figures. There can be many arguments against this. But it's duty of some one to save innocent investors. I am not going to name any one. It's the duty of the smart investors to think over this.
Yes,... Even though I didn't apply or buy Paytm... I'm quite furious over the promoters... It's a perfect example of how to cheat retailers. Share worth of 3k FV 10 Ipo price 2160 FV 1 Now around 500 FV 1 Buyback at 810 through open market. Not even has the guts to buy through tender. Everything as per rules and regulations. So it's a high time to open your eyes and don't fall in to prejudice and pseudo analysis. It is said and done that you learn in market by your mistakes and losses.
Even though Indian Stock Markets have come a long way from the erstwhile Controller of Capital Issues days to the present SEBI, a lot more needed to be done. Every Investor should enter the Market with eyes and ears open and fully aware of the Risk and Reward equation. In a worst case scenario, he may have to lose his entire capital. Cases in point are GLOBAL TRUST BANK, LAKSHMI VILAS BANK and many more. Especially Retail Investors must deploy only that much amount he can spare and to get a return on which he can wait for a longer tenure. He should never invest with borrowed money. Stock Market is not a place to make quick money, even though some may make quick money sometimes. But , in fact many end up losing money quickly. That is why many choose to flip their shares on the listing day irrespective of gain or loss. Views expressed are my own based on my experiences in the Market since early 1980s. It is not an advice to any one. Ultimately it is your Money and your decision.
@TRamasamy So happy to read your post. Your views are based on your experience from early 1980 in the Market. From CCI to SEBI, a good experience. Investors are not happy from beginning till date. Investors will never be happy with any steps taken for betterment of Market. So happy to know that you have an experience from early 1980. Great. I had my first allotment of shares in 1982, the very first share application of my life. So, we are sailing in the same boat. I differ on Share Market in not a place to make quick money. In early 1980 it was not but it is now. Specially after SMEs. Investors having funds in Bank can apply in SMEs. If got an allotment one can make 10 to 200% profit in 20 days. If no allotment , funds are in the bank only and earn interest also. All investors can't make money unless LUCK favors. There is only one Rajesh Khanna and only 2nd Amitabh Bacchan in the film industry after 1980. Late Mr. R J was only King of Share Market. Many people are near him. In last I may like to say that Investors should always take proper decision while investing in Share Market and according to financial appetite. Unnecessary risk will put in difficulty only. Wish you a very healthy Happy New Year.
Dear Mr PKRAJ, I greatly appreciate your detailed response to my post. I wish every Investor make good money , by following a strategy that suits him. So long as one's gains out weigh his losses, it is well and good. Be it Mainboard or SME IPOs , some were good and some were bad. Let the Investor be cautious and choose the Right ones. I thank all the fellow members for their valuable inputs.
103.7. Mr. Singh| Link| Bookmark|
January 3, 2023 11:57:27 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 600+ Likes)
Hello all, In my opinion SEBI is doing fact check and if a company is giving correct details in RHP. If some agency start deciding IPO price or make rule for that then you are indirectly saying that no IPO would list below IPO price. Stock market is not for that kind of investment. Nobody knows what is a right price of a company as in market we value a company based on its future potential.
101.1. Param Patel| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 11:15:39 AM
IPO Mentor (700+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
3 scenarios 1. Reduce the IPO size 2. Extend time 3. Cancel the issue But IMO issue will be subscribed by QIBs because Lead managers have setting with some QIBs so IPO will sail through
101.2. God is Great| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 12:08:37 PM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Dear param.Pahele status aur moralwise aisa hota tha QIB /HNI/retailers...ab pahele retailers /HNI/QIB hota hai😄.. listing ke din bechane lage hai retailers ki tarah
All one can hope for is that 2023 turns out to be a better year for IPOs. With 100+ offers at different approval stage with SEBI, its surely going to be as eventful as 2022-23, if not more.
They will reduce the issue size. But if qib applied for more than 1X they will give those excess shares to them. Even if extension is taken i don't think they will get more subscription.
GiG Agree with your comment that QIB have started selling on listing day same like retail. And initially they were not willing to subscribe this ipo but some persuasion have been made. Good that retails and HNIs are getting prudent day by day and soon IPOs will come on ground level Valuations.
FIIs have continously complained about valuations of Indian businesses that are bringing IPOs but such is the greed and lust of money of LMs and Promoters/Stakeholders that want to squeeze every penny from the market and later not able to provide results in the quarterly results. All we get disappointing figures and then sell off begins.
Mainboard IPOs are in shamble condition. May be public will stop applying in IPOs of these money mongers.
Hai Hind . Jai Bharat
101.8. God is Great| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 9:38:17 PM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Dear thoth...Krisna said "जो हो रहा है वह अच्छा ही हो रहा है और जो होने वाला है वो भी अच्छा ही होने वाला है। Hari om 🙏
Wondering the 20% retail with courage and money who have applied in the ipo.. May be some of them will not accept mandate or may cancel their application..
98.3. Smile.| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 8:23:33 PM
IPO Guru (1800+ Posts, 1100+ Likes)
@amitji Majority from retail are there to cancel their bid from NII.
98.4. PeterEngland| Link| Bookmark|
December 28, 2022 9:06:11 AM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
Is there any place we can see the names of the QIB's applying in this counter? Investors need to know if their mutual fund is investing in garbage IPO's.
@PeterEngland: We might never get to know. Unless they cross the reporting threshold and if any MFs end up holding at the end of their monthly portfolio reporting.
So friends, what is the final view. Should avoid completely or can go with little quantity??
97.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 10:38:17 AM
IPO Guru (2000+ Posts, 1700+ Likes)
When it is confirmed allotment- Then either you should go and buy to extent you can or avoid in total What is the idea of Salami in IPO. You can do Salami on listing day too
@arunarun :- Yes I avoided. Didn't apply even a single lot.
96. Vnrao| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 7:40:32 PM
Top Contributor (500+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
₹98/- premium on face value of ₹1/- share is exorbitant. SEBI should look into this. Anyway, Retail/Hni punished the Issue. Should be an eye opener for future OFS IPOs.
96.1. PeterEngland| Link| Bookmark|
December 28, 2022 8:57:48 AM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
@Vnrao, SEBI doesn't verify the valuation proposed by the promoters, it's upto us Retail investors to teach them a lesson (QIB fund managers are going to apply anyways as it's public money and they might be getting some cut just for applying).
95. Imhilli| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 6:25:33 PM
IPO Guru (1200+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
Main board IPO ka dhajjiya ud raha hay... very poor patch going.
Applied 1 retail lot already.. not sure what to expect.. hoping for positive listing...
92. svh| Link| Bookmark|
December 27, 2022 4:51:29 PM
IPO Guru (2600+ Posts, 3700+ Likes)
Easiest task for linkintime. No need to burden on shoulders for lottery process. This time linkintime got lottery for easy allotment process and quick money. Firm allotment to all categories without any doubt.