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February 8, 2016 1:11:45 PM
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Since 99 % retailers don''t have any knowledge of share market as such we should write to SEBI that bidding process for retailers should be limited to bidding for no. of shares at predetermined price as below:
1. In book building, the shares should be given at Lower band price. If the band is revised so should be the price for bidding price for retailers
2. In OFS, it should be the floor price
3. In fixed price IPOs, there should be a discount of at least 5% rounded off to whole number
If the Govt really wants to let larger participation of public in stock market, then they should listen to us. Public participation will stabilize the market.
Send physical letters in your own way to FM, SEBI & RBI
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February 8, 2016 1:21:54 PM
IPO Guru (6600+ Posts, 21900+ Likes)
Dear CLD,
Why not we all just write to FM, SEBI & RBI that ... "Since 99 % retailers don''t have any knowledge of share market" ... i.e. We the retail public are all Stupid ... therefore ...
"The Government should guarantee that retail investors will never make loss in IPO"
Simple !!!
That will definitely ensure "larger participation of public in stock market" ... and the Index will definitely go up ... coz "Public participation will stabilize the market" ... hai na win win for all ...
Excellent Solution indeed !!!
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February 8, 2016 1:53:41 PM
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Eagle eye
Your suggestion will not be acceptable at all by issuers. That will be a complicated issue. No body can give you protection from the losses in the market.
But the Govt may consider my suggestion since it will involve simple mathematics for the issuer & also give some safety net to retailers.
In OFC, we may ask minimum 5% discount to floor price rounded off to whole number
We should also ask the insurance companies to come up with a new innovative type of policy. Such policies should cover 200 to 300% of the loss in IPO if any incurred. Insurance Premium should be automatically covered/paid by the IPO releasing companies automatically for those retailers who subscribe to IPO.
This is win-win times 4 -) No loss will come ever in any IPO if this is implemented.
actual SEBI tried with Justdial issue had built in protection for retail investor...... it is very hard what is time frame many issue list at discount however over years have been multi bagger..... I like the free economy and we as investor should make the right choice..... I am a very long timer in IPO what i see is cycle few IPO come give handsome gain to RII this leads to many more IPOs hitting the market first all give return this leads to all applying in IPO then we get few bad listing faint hearted leave the IPO then IPO market is quiet then the cycle start again..... at least now SEBI has few guideline which filters bad IPOs..... last year 22 IPOs hit only 9 r making money this year will have 50 IPos 30 make money next year we 100 and hand few will make money then there will drop in IPO to single digit a year this has been happening for last 30 years
Read below link 1) https://bravostocks.wordpress.com/2015/10/11/quick-heal-ipo-worth-installing-or-removing/
it is asking P/E of about 40 whereas global peers are trading at P/E of 23. Also remember global peers are about 50 times larger than Quick heal.
Also nowdays all OS are coming with inbuilt Antivirus. There is serious threat to its business. Also checked the interview of its management today and he could hardly speak properly or have any confidence going forward
I agree with u but someone may not speak properly or may be shy of cameras. That doesn''t mean he can''t do a good business. But what matters is what he spoke. If u can throw some light it would be helpful. I believe it can be invested in for med to long term.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND FROM BODY LANGUAGE IF ANYONE IS CONFIDENT ON HIS BUSINESS MODEL AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT GROWTH POTENTIAL AND HOW HE WOULD TAKE CHALLENGES . IT IS NOT ABOUT ENGLISH LANGUAGE.EVEN IF YOU SPEAK IN HINDI YOU SHOULD ATLEAST BE ABLE TO CONVINCE OTHERS TO INVEST IN YOUR IPO PLEASE GO THROUGH INTERVIEW PROPERLY
Also its business is in serious competition. anyway nowdays lot of free A/V solution are coming up. OS are pre installed with A/V so there wont be any need to buy this product in future that is why its profits have been decreasing YOY. it would have sustained profits in beginnning when here was not enough competition
Its Global peers are more trusted and reliable. I dont find there product good as well You dont have to price it at 40 P/E when your profits declined. What are the other new products they can launch or come up with is also not clear from its management.
IPOANALYSIS no need to get agitated. I have not seen the interview n thats why i m asking what he said. If I would have seen then I would not have asked u. What are u getting so agitated for? I havent said anything to u. Just asked what he said. Everyone has read what QH fundas n financials are. What was the input in the interview that alarmed u?
Don''t think becaOS are coming with free antivirus, the sales of security software will go down. They have limited features and not entirely safe.
Even windows has an antivirus, that is not enough. You need to have immunity against vulnerabilities, net banking security, and many more other features for which you need to pay a price. Now a days, everybody has realised the importance of security software even in domestic front. Sales will only grow as internet connections increase.
I dont think QH future prospects should be estimated in the perspective of free vs paid antivirus. But one thing is there. Lot of global players are there like Bitdefender, kaspersky, Nod32, Avira etc.
1. We should research on the capability perspective "if" QH has the capability and effectiveness versus these global players in combating internet and virus threats.
2. Secondly, in sales perspective, there is no comparison with global players becathey are very popular already. It is better to analyse within the domestic front like K7 or some other Indian made product.
3. They have grown well from just a computer repair shop to software levels, but their profits are decreasing in the last 2-3 results. R and D is an expense they say as a reason for the reduction in profits, but will that bear any fruit or not is a question. I believe that they should have simultaneously increased sales, and profit decline becaof R&D expenditure is not a valid reason. YoY, growth is expected and not saturation at a point, where you stop growing. This also shows the mindof the company in achieving targets or goals
I am not saying subscribe or not, just making few points that I know.
Also, body language, speech clarity does not matter much to me. I have seen empty tin cans give lot of sound, and silent storms. so i dont give importance to all that. Performance matters.
Thank you Rajeev ji.Thanks for reading and appreciating, I need to learn a lot from you kind of people, septa ji, eagle eye, Davda sir, and others. I m only a part timer in share market, since markets alone are risky and have to take concentrate on work for day-to-day life needs. I don''t knw when I will reach the knowledge level that you all have!
Keep educating us so that we will at one point come up financially too!!
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February 8, 2016 11:47:45 AM
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No point tracking the subscription numbers for today & tomorrow ... everyone is waiting for ASBA release of Teamlease ... hence, the subscription will come only on last day
QUICK HEAL TECH A HIGH VALUE STOCK MAY LIST AT DISCOUNT LIKE PCL
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February 8, 2016 9:16:29 AM
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Quick Heal IPO – Some Facts & Figures
Product Quality – Average. Based on the reviews as well as industry feedback, Quick Heal product quality for both, its Consumer as well as Enterprise segments seems to be average with no major differentiation vis-a-vis peers. This is key notable fact for its foray into overseas markets.
Sales Strategy – Excellent. This is the key strength of the company – the way it sells its products – vis-a-vis its peers, even MNCs, Quick Heal is most aggressive in marketing its products as well as pushing its product via channel partners.
Domestic Market Positioning – Strong. Company enjoys a very strong positioning in domestic market, especially in consumer segment.
Company''s Focus – SMEs, SOHO & Retail in Domestic Market & SMEs & SOHO in International Market.
Financials – Robust. If we look at last 10 years'' financials, they seem exceptional with robust topline growth (10 Years'' CAGR = 53.26 %), albeit at a low base, and average EBITDA margin of 40 % + with average 50 % + EBITDA to Cash conversion.
Balance Sheet Strength – Above Average. Although optically balance sheet does look strong with no debt and Cash & Cash Equivalents worth INR 142.24 cr., however, when we look this in the backdrop of Service Tax demand worth INR 62.73 cr. and Allowance for Doubtful Debts worth ~INR 41 cr. made over last two years, balance sheet strength seems above average.
Senior Management Quality Above Average
Board (BoD) Quality Above Average
Corporate Governance Standards Above Average
Summing Up All the factors :
Domestic market, especially consumer segment seems saturated and high topline growth reported by the company over last many years, which was on a low base, might not be possible on a higher base. Company seems to be very well aware of this and so has planned heavy expenditure on advertising over next three fiscals (60 cr., 70 cr. & 82 cr. p.a. respectively). Such aggressive promotion could let it sustain its strong positiong in domestic consumer segment.
Company is expecting majority of the future growth to come from enterprise segment which is evident from its stated guidance of making the consumer-enterpise segment ratio 50-50 in next few years from current 70-30. ''Seqrite'' is company''s enterprise segment brand via which it is targetting SMEs & SOHO.
Enterprise segment enjoys relatively lower margins in the range of 12-18 % vis-a-vis consumer segment''s 35-50 % margins. Hence, although historically company seems to have enjoyed average 40 % + EBITDA margins each year, rationale expectation should be maximum 25-35 % EBITDA margin going forward.
Another reason for lower EBITDA margin expectation is aggressive channel-push strategy adopted by the company for international market foray (company has reportedly offered profit margins of upto 50 % to its channel partners in North America). In addition, company might need to spend a realatively higher amount on R&D going forward becaof its focus on increasing enterprise segment sales.
Management seems to very well know its strength & weakness – weakness being its undifferentiated product in a crowded marketplace and strength being its sales & marketing stratey. Becaof likely saturation of company''s stronghold domestic consumer segment, management has aptly increased its focus on Enterprise Segment. However, Enterprise segment demands quality and heavy expenditure in R&D. This is the reason why management is targetting majorly SMBs & SOHOs in enterprise segment which have limited resources to spend and therefore demand ''Value for Money'' product by sometimes compromising on quality aspect.
However, focus on SMBs & SOHO via small/mediu m channel partners also means higher credit risks which is evident from last two years'' allowance for doubtful debts at INR 41 cr.
Shifting focus away from business as well as likely financials, If we look at the valuation aspect, then majority of M&A/PE deals done in the segment have been in the range of 11-15x EV/EBITDA and 3-9x EV/Sales. Even if we look at the available data of IPOs done in the segment internationally, then one IPO (AVG) was done at 14.89x EV/EBITDA, 6.09x EV/Sales and 18.39x P/E whereas the most recent IPO (Sophos) was done at 24.38x EV/EBITDA and 3.93x EV/Sales. At INR 321 per share, Quick Heal is offered at TTM EV/EBITDA (pure EBITDA excluding Other Income) of 22.53 and EV/Sales of 7.22 and P/E of 41.10 on post issue fully diluted equity capital.