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739. butter fly |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 12:15:13 PM
natrajan bhai.....just stay away from claris.....nahi to claris ki hi medicines leni padegi...
738. butter fly |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 12:14:34 PM
bank aacha hai...just stay on with it.....problem : present in only north...not much dominant..............but still good listing gains......expected to hit the market on 28th dec.....coal india was diwali gift.....hope this comes to be new year gift
737. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 10:35:18 AM (500+ Posts)
COVERED A PART OF THE SHORTED CLARIS AT 211 AND FOR THE OTHER PART STOP LOSS HIT.
736. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 9:09:57 AM (500+ Posts)
Dear Gane,
My broker told me Claris is there only in BSE. I have shorted at 221 with a stop loss at 225.
735. Anil g |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 8:49:58 AM
Hi Gane,


BSE code for Claris: 533288
NSE: CLARIS (group B)
CMP: 214.65 -13.35 -5.86%
734. Pintu Todi |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 8:14:12 AM
NTPC FPO may be at 521/-. Post FPO price may be settling at 121/- so there may be more and more losses to investors in this Gov as a part of this Gov policy.

NHPC (PSU) – IPO @ 36/-. After One year struggling at 27/- Target – 18/-. Already Loss booked – 8,000/-
NMDC (PSU) – FPO @ 300/-. After one year struggling at 260/-. Target – 210/-. Already loss booked – 8,000/-
SCI (PSU) – FPO @ 140/-. Struggling at 133/-. Target 115/-. Have to book loss. No chance to get your investment as it is PSU like NHPC, SJVNL.
Forthcoming – Hind Copper (PSU), Nalco (PSU), ONGC (PSU) will try to give maximum losses to Investors as Gov will be very happy to give more and more losses.
Now, Gov, SEBI or Corporate will not listen to any retailers or AAM Aadmi but they will think for there own profits only.
Now, after increasing limit up to 2.00 Lakhs by SEBI, retailers profit are almost gone but losses are unlimited like above.
We all should request to BJP to please raise the issue in Parliament as AAM Aadmi and Retailers have no other choice in this Gov. Happy losses to all investors of above in this Gov.

733. Subramanian Nagarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 5:59:13 AM
@729.

Good work Mr. Suresh Duraiswamy.
732. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 5:20:26 AM (500+ Posts)
Dear Sreedhar,
If you are asked to make a short list of the long list provided by Suresh Duraiswamy, what will be your picks, based on a short term perspective?
731. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 20, 2010 5:15:43 AM (500+ Posts)
726, K V Subba Rao,
The argument that those who applied above 1 lakh up to 2 lakhs are not retail investors and if the limit had been 1 lakh the subscription in retail category would be only around 10 times is not correct. Most of them who applied in the more than 1 lakh category are also retail investors and if the limit had been 1 lakh they would have come into that bracket. In that case it would have ended being subscribed around 25 times. Please understand. There is no point in putting forward empty arguments.
Having said that I am also of the opinion that raising the retail limit to 2 lakhs is not fair. Please read my posts number 708 to 712 where I put forward my views and seek a revision of the retail quota to at least 45%.
730. triple hhh |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 9:26:00 PM
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Buy JM Financial in lower price at around Rs.27-28... immediate short term target of Rs.40+ within 2 months
729. Suresh Duraiswamy |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 9:25:53 PM
With current market corrections the below mentioned stocks are very attractive given the facts the fundamentals of the companies are looking very strong. The stocks can give 20%-30% in 3-6 months time horizon

The stocks are filtered based on the following criteria

•      Companies are categorized A or B

•      Current market cap of INR >500,000,000

•      Prices corrected 10% to 50 % from its 52 week high and appreciated at least 25% from its 52 week low. (Exception for Shipping Corporation, Jaiprakash Associate & Power Grid trading near its 52 week low)

•      PE & PBV are comparatively less than the peer group and profit making companies


Sc_name      Close      Off52WHigh      Off52WLow      PBV      BV      P/E *      EPS *      AnnualNetProfit
Gitanjali Gems       210.50      -46.71%      123.94%      0.75      241.6      8.65      20.99      142.09

Tech Mahindra       669.45      -42.19%      11.58%      2.82      228.28      11.39      56.47      742.85

LIC Housing Fin       915.20      -38.84%      29.43%      2.59      356.84      10.8      85.67      662.18

Mahindra & Mahindra       732.60      -38.78%      49.21%      2.07      33.76      13.11      5.34      2.58

Jaiprakash Asso       103.95      -38.05%      5.86%      2.72      38.55      22.76      4.6      897.01

Uflex       203.60      -37.35%      127.11%      1.37      120.92      6.94      23.94      93.55

Unitech       62.65      -36.36%      35.90%      2      31.45      27.16      2.32      739.66

GMR Infra       46.25      -34.49%      14.20%      0.85      133.77      28.16      4.04      227.52

Escorts       163.30      -33.60%      46.98%      1.13      144.07      12.53      13.02      137.55

SREI Infra       98.95      -30.27%      63.42%      1.41      67.94      7.22      13.31      111.49

Central Bank       181.05      -27.30%      32.59%      1.57      107.96      5.73      29.54      1058.23

IFCI       59.60      -26.01%      30.42%      1.35      42.71      6.09      9.49      670.94

Bank of India       438.50      -25.43%      41.98%      1.11      55.84      6.35      9.8      439.57

Karnataka Bank       156.80      -25.07%      44.58%      0.55      93.24      4.23      12.17      9.1

Apollo Tyres       67.20      -24.32%      43.59%      1.88      34.19      10.91      5.88      414.99

Uco Bank       115.65      -24.09%      116.57%      1.73      65.74      6.22      18.29      1012.18

Patni Computer       482.50      -22.68%      16.96%      1.85      245.44      8.84      51.27      542.73

Dena Bank       117.50      -22.19%      65.38%      1.38      83.43      5.78      19.91      511.25

IDFC       171.05      -21.61%      21.01%      2.65      64.92      21.96      7.84      1012.84

Canara Bank       661.80      -21.59%      91.83%      2.17      305.83      7.59      87.24      3021.43

Amara Raja       179.55      -21.27%      28.57%      2.72      63.65      10.29      16.85      167.03

Power Grid Corp       96.05      -20.78%      4.63%      2.56      37.53      16.91      5.68      1690.61

Andhra Bank       151.20      -20.48%      59.75%      1.24      9.56      15.8      0.75      47.69

Indian Bank       251.80      -20.44%      63.29%      1.63      154.66      6.63      38.05      1554.99

IDBI Bank       161.10      -20.35%      52.20%      1.79      86.21      11.83      13.06      1031.13

Allahabad Bank       216.85      -19.95%      78.85%      1.58      131.73      7.04      29.54      1206.33

IOB       144.85      -17.86%      70.81%      1.19      116.54      11.91      11.67      706.96

Vijaya Bank       96.40      -16.43%      110.25%      1.52      61.44      7.05      13.22      507.29

Tata Steel       658.85      -10.60%      46.85%      1.5      412.14      7.97      77.57      5201.74

This is purely based on personal analysis/calls for minimum of 6 months time horizon with out any intention to mislead any one. Kindly do your own analysis before investing in any stock.
728. Bj |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 8:41:07 PM
726 Kv subba rao,
Can you provide more details on the calculations that helped you in concluding that retail would have been oversubscribed by only 10.6 times if retail limit was 1 lac...
727. Ken shah |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 8:01:17 PM
thanks subba raoji and A M .i have sent eamil and will do it frenquentely.i request all members of chitorgarh please send your mails to urge sebi to reduce retail limit to 1lac.
726. K V Subba Rao |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 7:41:11 PM
Mr Ken shah @ 722: As desired, I append below matter to be e-mailed to sebi@sebi.gov.in

You may however like to revise it to suit your way. But it is important to word it politely. We should all rain mails relentlessly and explore all possible ways to highligt the issue, till the matter is reviewed; otherwise there is no point in blocking our amount in IPOs and getting it back in tact.
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Sir

Sub:IPOs-Revising maximum amount to Rs 200000-Reg

I would like to bring to your kind attention that revising maximum amount per each application from Rs 100000 to Rs 200000 without any corresponding increase in 35 % quota has deprived retail investors of allotment they would otherwise be eligible for.

A closer examination of “Basis of Allotment” figures for recently concluded MOIL IPO has made a startling revelation that if only the maximum limit had not been revised, subscription by retail investors would be only 10.60 times in which case more number of retail investors would have got fairly good number of shares allotted to them

On account of revision, subscription shot upto 31.88 times resulting in many retail investors lose the chance of participating in the PSU’s Equity.

I therefore request you to examine the matter and take appropriate action to protect the interest of retail investors appropriately; otherwise I am afraid the retail investors would slowly shy away from IPOs

Yours truly


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725. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 7:31:15 PM (500+ Posts)
720, Compaq Kumar,
Add to your observations the fact that many companies coming out with IPOs manage to show very good results for one or two quarters and claim valuations on that basis. Once they succeed, the results thereafter become disappointing.
724. A M |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 7:08:42 PM
@722

You can access SEBI org chart at below link. In the org chart, you will find email ID of complete SEBI organisation and also you can email at SEBI at SEBI.gov.in

http://www.sebi.gov.in/OrgChart.html

I personally have sent 5 emails from different accounts..Our voice will be heard ..if you remain unite as a group and everyone puts pressure..

723. Karti |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 6:35:52 PM
Dear Sreedar and Natarajan,

How are you commenting that ravi kumar distilleries is going to be pumped up by operators?

722. Ken shah |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 6:23:33 PM
please provide sebi's email so that we can raise our voice to sebi.please anyone given performa for letter to sebi to reduce retail limit 1lac from 2 lac
721. sawan |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 6:19:06 PM
what is latest GMP
720. Compaq kumar |   Link |  Bookmark | December 19, 2010 5:54:17 PM
NRVER BUY IPO
All of us love quick money. We feel very good if we bought into an IPO and it lists at a premium. We bask in the glory of our achievement. There is a psychological high in having made a smart investment choice. But is investing in an IPO the best way to grow our wealth? There are four reasons why it is not.

First, the company making the IPO places detailed information in public domain and advertises itself extensively. If you are hearing the name of a company for the first time through ads and hoardings all over town, you know it has filed for an IPO.

You run the risk of buying the stock amidst an artificial buzz for the company. It would take a good reading of the prospectus to get an idea about the business, the management, the risks and the returns. Despite the availability of information, there is limited quality analysis available to investors when the issuer is focused on ‘marketing’. Amidst several recommendations to buy or ignore the IPO, investors run the risk of biased analysis and herding.

Second, the pricing of an IPO is a puzzle. If it is priced cheap, the issuer places money on the table for the investor to pick up. Common sense tells us that they are unlikely to do this, unless desperate for subscription. If such IPOs list at a premium—as they are bound to due to cheap pricing—the subsequent IPOs are gradually priced higher.

Investors begin to believe that all IPOs will list at a premium, and eagerly buy newer IPOs at higher prices. As more IPOs list at a premium, the pricing gets more ambitious, thus reducing the chances of a premium listing. A cheap IPO is thus a phenomenon that will correct itself, sooner than later and investors may end up holding an expensive IPO when the cycle ends at the height of investor frenzy.

Third, the amount invested in an IPO may not be significant. The more popular and over-subscribed an IPO, the lower the allotment to investors. Therefore, an investor has small amounts invested in several IPOs. Even if some of them turn out to be multi-baggers, the impact on the investors’ overall wealth would be limited. Unless there is a significant accumulation of a winning stock, three-digit gains may not make a difference.

If you had invested `10,000 in the HDFC Bank IPO at Rs 35 several years ago, you have a tidy profit, but how much of your current wealth is in that stock? Habitual IPO investors typically end up with several stocks of mixed quality. Wealth creation needs greater focus.

Fourth, the lure of listing profits can lead many to borrow to invest , or participate in sharp practices. Many lend their demat accounts for a fee, indulge in grey market trading before listing, and file multiple applications. These come with the thrills of speculation and the risks of leverage. To large and wealthy investors, these are games. Small investors with limited wealth may also behave callously with their money.

Instead of aligning investment habits to their abilities and wealth, they may take undue risks. IPOs can trap even the sanest to taste quick gains.

Should IPOs have a place in the portfolio of an investor? Yes, they should, but only as a smaller portion, not as a core strategy to build wealth. A small amount can be churned around in IPOs, while the core portfolio is held for the long term. Many of us buy an IPO with the intent to sell at a profit on listing. When it lists low or sinks after listing, we quickly convert it into a ‘long-term’ buy. This is one IPO habit to be shunned at all costs, since it is the surest way to hold junk in the portfolio.