Sir,I''ve 1 more query related to bonus issue. If a co having face value of 10 & market value of 100 declares bonus in 1:1,post issue the fv would come to 5 (most probably)& MV of each share would be 50. The only benefit from this is that each shareholder gets the double no of shares that he hold.& when the MV becomes half the value of holding will be more or less the same. Then what is the benefit on bonus for shareholders? ??? Just the increase in the no of shares.... & for some co post bonus adjustment the face value remains the same..eg-Kothari products.. & some other fv will be half if issue is in 1:1 eg -kotak mahindra bank... & some others never give bonus or makes splits.ef-MRF .kindly please explain.....does it have any real impact?? I ve heard that thone who invested10000 in Wiproin 1980s will get shares of 50cr or so after adjusting splits & bonus...is this true????
Dear Septa/ Eagleye sir, I''m a newbie in markets. I'' ve been holding Indigo since IPO. Sir I''ve a genuine doubt.When I checked past corporate actions on Dividend, indigo has paid an avg dividend of 1550% for past 5yrs. @Current market price the dividend yield is 40%. Will I get atleast 20%dividend yield in coming yrs . .???? Please explain.Current EPS is 54.92 Can I accumulate it for mouthwatering dividend yield? ??????
I m not Eagle eye or Septa but I will comment. Indigo was private earlier n they could do what they wanted between private shareholders. But once its public such dividents can''t be paid. If u get 20% dividend post issue it will be gr8. I doubt we will ever get that. However, keep the stock for long term perspective of 5-10 yrs. That''s where real value addition would take place.
Rajeev Kumar sir, Thankyou for your valuable piece of advice.....Thanks a lot... But sir, even though it''s a public, 86% stake is held by promoters....
indigo is a great company and very good business model growth... market leader in an entry barrier level to the zenith.... i was very bullish on this counter when in went on IPO and applied it in full force.... i also said earlier i have sold some portion when it my target still hold 40% of initial holding i wanted to add more this correction i think is very good entry point...which i will do soon however presently i have spice on my target after very good result and better then indigo seat ultization ratio which really surprised me if u compare apple to apple valuation spice is very attractive increase profit setting on old losses in balance sheet if next result is good we could see three figure price on spice.... With indigo i am going to buy on dips.... with regards to ur dividend i do not expect such high div any more
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January 31, 2016 11:39:21 PM
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indigo crashed from high 1394 on 1 jan 16 to low of 857.85 on 29/1/16 and likely to touch it all time low of 849 of 10 nov 14
lost 38 % till today from high however nobody can catch high or low it is sure all have lost 25 % and to earn 25 % in one year is next to impossible MUTUAL FUNDS who are masters cannot give more than 10 to 12 % average in 5 years So remember to have stop loss on closing basic and act
Eagleye. What is price of pcl in opening red or green
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January 31, 2016 9:37:55 PM
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There is a panic in the grey market ... so they obviously expect it to open in the RED ...
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January 31, 2016 9:40:16 PM
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However, even if it does open slightly negative ... I believe that the fundamentals are robust ... which will be evident in their Q4 numbers .... and hence it ought to reward investors in the medium term ...
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January 31, 2016 9:44:59 PM
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Eeye,then one can by on listing....if available...under IPO price...yr opinion please...
if this list at discount which IMO and according to GMP will be then all those recent IPO with worse fundamental will also need to drop in price if not in short term but medium to long term so if u hold any iPO which u setting on good gains pls atlas book some profit....
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January 31, 2016 9:59:28 PM
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Hello Sir, Good to see you here ...
Well, I have applied in the IPO, hence my opinion is bound to be biased ... since I believe it is a good value @186 ... I will naturally consider it to be a better value at any price below that ... more so, as I have no fresh inputs to change my stance ...
As I have said earlier, I shall wait for the March''16 numbers or mkt price of 250 (whichever earlier)
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January 31, 2016 10:03:49 PM
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Septa sir,
just to bring to your notice, TeamLease GMP continues to rule @250 ... inspite of PCL GMP dropping sub-zero
Egeleye how much downside u predict in opening day
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January 31, 2016 10:12:44 PM
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Eeye,Thanks for reply. I m also +ve abt this PCL...IPO....don''t no y panic is created in grey MKT.that may effect on listing day...after that DUST will settle.....This is what I think.....p.s.I HV applied...I never sell in Grey...
GMP of monte carlo power mech also was such level..... so i will not take that seriously i just make of investment based on fundamental and future growth on both side it is very expensive.... but thank u for updating the GMP regularly..... I only hope this GMP is real based on demand then operator hand if this is operator hand it could be trap....
one way to judge is this premium real or operator hand is to see if the premium falls on issue nearing day and closing day.... power mech was 150 plus came down 40 by the time of listing monte was again 150 came down to 10 on close to listing......
A Reuters report on negative rate cut by ECB n BOJ. Eye opener for all those who think it as a good move. How can these people be so naive. Pl read all of u for knowledge sake.
If there were any suggestion that the fears that have gripped stock markets since the start of 2016 were the isolated stuff of paranoid financial investors, that evaporated with Friday''s shocking meeting of the Bank of Japan.
Before the European Central Bank''s own January meeting a week ago, the assumption of many watchers was that the world''s big central banks would try their best to reestablish calm by doing little to tweak their current stances.
Instead, first the ECB''s Mario Draghi and now the BoJ''s Haruhiko Kuroda, stunning economists by cutting interest rates into negative territory on Friday, have sent the clearest of signals that the global economy is again nearing the brink.
Three of the big U.S. banks - Morgan Stanley, Bank of America and Citi - all warned this week that the risks of a global recession before the end of 2016 were rising.
"We’re only one month into the year and two of the major central banks have already surprised markets," said Nick Gartside from J.P. Morgan''s AsManagement arm.
"Both banks are reacting to economic reality. Growth and inflation are meaningfully undershooting targets and more stimulus is needed to get both higher."
This month trails only marginally behind the post-crisis mess of 2009 as the worst start to a year for U.S. and global stocks in decades hedge funds are beginning to bet on a large currency devaluation by China and, even with a recovery this week, oil has reached $30 a barrel.
Yet that all comes just weeks after the U.S. Federal Reserve felt bullish enough about its domestic economy to raise interest rates for the first time in almost a decade.
A raft of economic numbers in the first week of February, culminating in next Friday''s U.S. jobs numbers, should put more skin on those bones, as may the Bank of England''s quarterly inflation report on Thursday.
"Our impression is that, rather than dismissing recent developments as transitory, authorities seem rattled and uncertain," economists from France''s BNP Paribas said in a weekly briefing note.
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The week begins with a bang with PMI sentiment numbers out of China, a major leading indicator and the first one of substance from the world''s second biggest economy in almost two weeks.
The turmoil on China''s stock markets at the turn of the year was one trigger for the broader global sell-off and Shanghai shares have continued to slide in the past week in contrast to greater stability elsewhere.
Beijing will look to the Lunar New Year at the end of the week for some breathing space in its efforts to head off more pressure on the yuan and with it the immediate threat of a round of corporate debt defaults that economists rate at the top of a pile of global financial risks.
A series of official communiques warned speculators off the yuan this week, although pricing suggests that hedge funds - whether or not they include Hungarian financier George Soros - have only added to bets it will move.
Beijing has held the yuan steady against the dollar for two weeks and taken a series of steps to stop capital from leaving the country. But it still faces an essential conundrum of how to deflate a huge bubble of excess borrowing and money supply that consumers and companies want to send abroad.
"If the Chinese felt this situation was out of control, they would do more," said Mark Farrington, portfolio manager at hedge fund Macro Currency Group in London.
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The other big floating factor is oil.
Oil prices have been helped by some signs that OPEC lynchpin Saudi Arabia and other mainstays of that group of producing countries may be ready to talk more on managing output.
But Russian Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, sounded a more measured tone at a news briefing in Moscow on Friday.
Barclays and other market analysts cast doubt on the chances of a swift rapprochement between producers, whose excess of output over supply has driven the value of some U.S. produced crude grades to near zero.
"There is a vast difference between a meeting to exchange views on the state of the markets and a meeting to agree on a cut," Barclays Head of Energy Commodities Research Michael Cohen wrote on Friday.
"We see this as nothing more than an attempt to shift market sentiment, and we do not expect that it will change the physical market imbalance."
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January 31, 2016 7:15:12 PM
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There is also a view that negative interest rate in Japan and lower rates in Europe will push the hedge funds to invest in emerging markets like South Asia including India. All the China related news emanates from western media and need to be taken with pinch of salt. China is rebalancing it''s economy. There is no deflation . GDP at 6.7% growth adds up one India GDP every year . Imagine the effect of India doubling its GDP every year ! Even earlier if 40% was exports, 60% was used in domestic consumption. China is going to collapse as the western media is makes it out to be. No one agency including the big names predicted China could grow continuously 24 years at above 8% and several years, above double digit many years. Similarly even this is not going to be crash landing. US also bounced in 2008 with in 18 months. I am positive that will go down for short period, it will again recoup and move further up. It is a chance to pick up the gems in market at low process and even those form IPO that we did not apply due to high valuations.
Good analysis Ou Ai. But areas of concern remain. In last 10 years Chinese debt has increased 200%. There is excess inventory in manufacturing, housing and infra. Chinese labour is getting costly. Yuan has to be devalued to increase exports leading to currency war, etc etc. The economy was based on manufacturing but now rebalancing is taking place towards internal consumption. However, the wages are still low and cost of living in China very high. People can not afford to buy houses, they live in cramped rented accommodation and so on. Chinese transition is not going to be a smooth one. Its going to get rough n dirty. However, I m sure its not going to collapse. But at least it will take 2/3 years for its economy to stabilise.
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January 31, 2016 1:53:04 PM
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Chem cho , you cant apply 5 asba application from hdfc bank,maximum 2 application of ac holder only differently....other 3 are not account holder,you may join 2 more name in hdfc account then 4 asba can be applied....
Don''t get induced by negative comments. Premium is Rs.14-15 and listing is above Rs.200/- for sure. Same negativity was spread in Narayana Hospitals IPO and see the result.
As correctly said by Davd, There are chances that the IPO of precision will list between Rs 14- 22. The fundamentals of the company are good and the company also had good customer base to sustain the returns.
My prediction state that it will list at Rs. 210. As the application of grey market are purchased at Rs400 and subscription is almost 2 times.. So 2:1 allotment will be there and that leads to premium at Rs .10 -11.
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January 30, 2016 11:15:35 PM
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Can someone clarify following:
I wanted to apply in PCL but could not due to following: I have 5 DP accounts in my family with A,B,C,D & E individual DPs PANs.
I am "A"
Previously, I was applying 5 applications through cheque in the names of 1. "A" from PNB saving bank A/C held jointly between A & D 2. "B" from PNB saving bank A/C held jointly between B & A 3. "C" from PNB saving bank A/C held jointly between C & A 4. "D" from HDFC saving bank A/C held jointly between D & A 5. "E" from Yes Bank A/C in which I am Karta of HUF
In PCL, only HDFC bank out of above banks was accepting ASBA applications
I want to know could I apply all my applications through HDFC bank with the signatures of "D" or "A" (Operation mandate being either or survivor) in ASBA field although names of all members of my family are not in the SB A/C of HDFC. Signature in main application will of course be that of the individual whose DP & PAN details will be given in the application.
Only those may please reply who have clear knowledge about it after understanding above data
i also have the same setting all my accounts r joint bank account but linked individual demat account (single) did not have issue got the online form from NSE website with details DP PAN and account which is to blocked auto filled (NSE one time registration) just click and print on the issue u want to apply then called my relationship manager to pick the forms he did upfrom his side when the issue closed i got SMS from NSE... but i only but SMS for 6 application and two pending called RM he said they have uploaded and send the confirmation via EMAIL ..... btw form need sign of demat holder and account holder whose account will be blocked
before my broker allowed IPOs but this t6 he could not process the application so this was his advice however now i am going to move to three in one demat account for IPOS i already have three in one demat for my family but they all joined.... so now i want them in individual
dear CLD YOU CAN APPLY IN YOUR ALL 5 DIFFERENT DEMAT ACCOUNTS, PROVIDED THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FIRST ACCOUNT HOLDER AND DIFFERENT PAN Nos.
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January 31, 2016 9:44:23 AM
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I could some what understood your problem you can apply through HDFC bank for 5 demat accounts and sign D or A you have to mention the account number of D OR A and D or A SHOULD SIGN ON THE SIGNATURE PROVIDED IN column PAY THE AMOUNT, I was doing it , YOUR APPLICATION IS TO SEND BY BROKER TO HDFC BANK more over bank wants money from which account is not important but not more that 5 application for one HDFC bank name , if there is enquiry from income tax department for A then A will have to give reply why money was given to BC DE etc
Yes u can apply for the ipo.. 5 application can be done thriugh 1 saving account
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January 31, 2016 1:43:01 PM
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Shoud I conclude
A) That, it is not necessary that the applicant to the issue should be the account holder of the bank from which the amount is blocked
B) That, the bank is not concerned about the applicant to the issue & his signature & will block the amount on the basis of authorisation by way of signature(s) of the account holder(s) in ASBA field.
Only those to reply who have done it in their own case
Mp sir, pcl list must be rs200 if that day mkt + otherwise it will 152 to 165 for few trd se''son.if 7days trd in this range then more pain waited for us like ccd.