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125. Sreedhar R |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 3:48:22 PM
Prabhat Dairy''s actual fair value may be ~64. It may be expected that it may list at par or well below par. We can rule out any listin gains.
But Dilip Davada has clearly stated in his review that ''Due to fancy witnessed for white revolution segment, this IPO is to generate interest''
I too think the above is true. I am assuming this IPO will only be good if held long.
125.1. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 6:02:16 PM (400+ Posts)
Yeah. But for long term why subscribe to the IPO if it''s likely to list at discount. Better buy from Market at a much cheaper rate and you can buy as much as you can.
124. IPOANALYSIS |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 2:57:16 PM
COMPNAY HAS SUCH GREEDY PROMOTERS THAT THEY KNEW THE STOCK IS NOT EVEN WORTH 60 RS. USUALLY WHEN PRICE BAND IS REVISED IT HAPPENS ONLY AROUND 5 PC.

THEY HAVE ONLY COME TO LOOT PEOPLE. THERE WILL BE NO BUYING ON LISTING IF IT MANAGE TO SAIL THROUGH BY PAYING SOME AMOUNT TO QIB. WHO WILL PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THIS 450 CRORE ISSUE. RETRUNS FROM NET WORTH IS NOT EVEN 6 % SO EVEN RS 60 LOOKS HIGH PRICE FOR THIS COMPANY. INSTEADD BUY GOOD QUALITY MIDCAPS IN THIS MARKET FROM SECONDARY MARKET WHICH ARE SAFE BET AND WIL GIVE RETURNS IN LONG TERM.BUY NBCC AND JIYA ECO PRODUCTS AND GET 50 PC RETUNS IN 3 MONTHS.
123. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 1:27:14 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
This IPO will subscribe full by tomorrow. Even if it subscribe more than 75% then promoters will consider IPO is fully subscribed.
If anyone planning to apply for this IPO, apply at lower band (Rs. 110 after discount). This will minimize risk. I don''t think so QIB and NII will apply at upper band. They will take benefit of price band reduction and market condition.

I know there is risk in this price (Rs.110) also. But risk is always there in stock market.

Apply for long term not for listing gain.
123.8. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 4, 2015 1:34:04 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
I don''t have any internal information. But I can say from my experience in Sadbhav and all OFSs. I found sudden full subscription in Sadbhav after 3 pm on last day. Even BSE and NSE not showing subscription figure right. In all OFSs I experienced some big game after 3:15 pm when online bidders can''t modify their bid price. All online brokers have cutoff time 2:30 pm.
123.9. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 4, 2015 4:22:00 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
It''s more than 75% at 4 pm. I told everybody from beginning it will subscribe full. This is big players game. We are very small to understand this game. NSE website is also showing yesterday''s subscription till 3:50 pm. BSE website is still showing yesterday''s subscription.
122. Phal |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 1:12:41 PM
How can I withdraw my application?
122.8. DWIJ MANAN |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 4:26:18 PM
THROUGH WHICH BANK U APPLY, IN SBI OPTION FOR EDIT IPO, I AM WITHDRAWL MY APPLICATION FROM SBI.
122.9. Anurag Purohit |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 4:30:59 PM
@Dwij, i have applied through ASBA, BAnk of Baroda Net banking. Now when i am going to UNSUBSCRIBE Option, it doesn''t give the name of PRABHAT. Any other ,?
121. Viraj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 11:44:07 AM
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any kostak prabhat dairy
121.1. NeoTrade |   Link |  Bookmark | September 4, 2015 3:23:25 PM
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Forget kostak...hold for the long term!
120. star ipo |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 10:36:05 AM
Investors ready to apply only if '' buy 100 get 100 free '' allotted by promoters in this sale....
119. IPOANALYSIS |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 1:16:17 AM

STAY AWAY . THOSE WHO APPLIED GO TO STOP PAYMENT IMMEDIATELY. FAIR VALUE OF STOCK IS 60 RS.
REASONS:

High debt is eating into company’s profit. Company has paid Rs.41 crore as interest on the outstanding debt of Rs. 390 crore as at 31st March, 2015. The objective of the company includes repayment of debt by Rs.185 crore


The company has a very thin operating margin (earnings before interest, depreciation and taxes) of 10% approx. in the past 4 years. Also PAT is hovered around a meager 2% in the same period.

Return from net worth (earning per rupee invested by equity shareholders) is just 6% which shows company is not able to utilize the shareholders’ funds efficiently



Though the peer company Hatsun Agro trades at PE of 59 of FY 16 estimated earning but Hatsun’s annual turnover is three times of Prabhat’s and the return on net worth of Hatsun’s is nearly 18% while Prabhat’s has a discouraging RONW of just 6.22%. Another peer company heritage foods trades at PE of 17.5 times of FY16 estimated earnings. Even as both these companies are largely into retail-focused niche, hence not strictly comparable
118. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 12:27:12 AM (400+ Posts)
Though I do not rely on GMP or Kostak and solely rely on fundamentals in relation to pricing. Here is a report of current GMP http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/ipos/fpos/post-recent-market-crash-bets-are-off-in-the-grey-market-for-ipo-deals/articleshow/48776470.cms
117. atul |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 11:04:38 PM (300+ Posts)
Forget this ipo.no need to apply.if promotors have got PE placement then why this ipo
116. star ipo |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 10:29:22 PM
Brokers closed grey market... Only panic sellers forced them to do so...all ipo likely to be list in heavy discounts....
115. pinkyjain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 10:08:45 PM
Dear investors

Plz avoid this

I beg

If not me believe in Septa and Nasirul ji

They r good advisor

I beg plz avoid

Even those who have applied quickly exit

58 ka maall 126 me de rahe he


Neo Trade is a member of company


NHI IS STILL NIL


AVOOIIIIIIIDDDDDD
IT WILL LOOOOOT U
IT WILL KOOOOOOT U


MARKETS NOT GOOOD


SEPTA LOGO KO SAMJHHAO

TEACH A LESSONS TO GREEDY PROMOTERS

NC JI JO .23X SUBSCRIBE USSE BHI WITHDRAW KARO
115.1. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 12:18:29 AM (400+ Posts)
I try my level best to help small investors which I myself was sometimes back and thank you for your support but I am more risk taker than others. I am sure you have understood from my reviews a bit. Let the IPO sail and we will be able to see the listing price.
114. NeoTrade |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 8:23:25 PM
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Hatsun currently trades at 107x trailing P/E with current market cap of 4,300 cr and FY15 PAT of 40 cr...Prabhat is being priced at 900 cr @ upper end with 300 cr fund raise so trailing P/E of 57x based on 21 cr PAT...I think this would also help make it attractive.
114.2. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 9:28:15 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Diary industry good however in this the promoters r asking to much they have already accounted for future earning by asking such high price. Industry PE is around 48 they were asking 65 which did not make sense even syngene vrl did there ipo the left something for investor.

In this case the promotors have not left anything plus they have already accounted for all the future earning I would have applied if this was asking a PE of 22 to 28 range not at the high.
114.3. NeoTrade |   Link |  Bookmark | September 3, 2015 11:40:15 AM
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Septa ji...how inappropriate of you to compare trailing PE of Prabhat with forward PE of Hatsun...analysis toh dhang se kijiye...aur agar iss analysis ke basis pe avoid karte hain...toh apki madad bhagwan kare but baki investors ko gumrah na karein!
113. chhaganlal hirajibhai |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 7:45:04 PM
VERI BED IPO RETAIL INVESTER AVOID
112. Jayaram |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 5:55:23 PM
Hi Guys, which will be better? investing in IPO of Prabhat Dairy or buying ITC from Secondary Market?
112.4. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 8:05:40 PM (400+ Posts)
ITC is a large cap & comparison is not right. More like Apple with Pineapple. I personally prefer small cap as they have the ability and agility to do more. Being small in size gives a lot of space to expand by expanding the Universe and eating bigger peers pie. But the history of Prabhat Diary is limited to an unlisted entity. If you are so long you can wait to see market reaction and their activity for 2-3 quarters. I normally subscribe to IPO for listing gains unless the group has some listed entity.
112.5. Jayaram |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 11:48:07 PM
Thanks buddies.. As u ppl suggested, I decided to have a known devil than an unknown angel... Will wait. I feel I may even get ITC at about 300 in few days..
111. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 5:02:22 PM (400+ Posts)
I remember the bashing to Mr Gupta and me for saying Monte Carlo is a bad company. Some comments were then deleted by moderators which were abusive in nature.

Here I am saying the company seems good but not at this price.
110. Rkg |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 3:45:55 PM
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BOARDERS,beware.Some co.agents have become very active, suddenly.Do not let anybody"s comments influance your decision.Afterall it is your hardearned money at stake.
110.1. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 4:59:07 PM (400+ Posts)
Exactly. NeoTrade seems like a paid stooge here. He claims to know that promoters are being called by Private Equity players and investors who are ready to buy at 140-147 band even though they can buy a huge quantity 115-126 range easily. How come being a retail investor he will have knowledge of this things. Phekne ki bhi limit hoti hai yaar.
109. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 2:02:12 PM (400+ Posts)
You can always buy this share from secondary market and probably at a discount. "Price is everything and price discounts everything". Let me ask all those fundamental analyst like ''NeoTrade'' would you pay 600 per share for this becathe Fundamentals are too good with exceptional growth expected.

Also, ''NeoTrade'' I didn''t see you earlier on this board and wondering if you are a paid stooge by either promoter or merchant bankers side??
109.5. Nasirul Choudhury |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 8:13:22 PM (400+ Posts)
NeoTrade: Where did you get the information that Private Equity investors are calling the promoters and I quote "in the investment community a lot of Private Equity investors are calling up the promoter to cancel the IPO so that they can invest in him at the previous announced price" and at the same time you claim you are a retail investor.

I know both Kostak and GMP works as a proxy but even in case of Monte Carlo GMP was high but vanished soon and the stock bombed. I prefer putting things in perspective with a DCF and then see if the fair price of share has a good margin of safety.
109.6. NeoTrade |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 8:16:47 PM
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I agree DCF would be a good way to arrive at a decision...but I so wish that I had access to 5 yr projections of the Company to do the analysis...do you have access? My sources of info are not that strong...



108. Anurag Purohit |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 1:07:06 PM
I am trying to modify the BID through ASBA for PRABHAT but its not giving the Option to modify. So how can i modify the bid.
108.1. NeoTrade |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 3:19:52 PM
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Dont worry..if you have applied through ASBA as retail then automatically you will be allotted shares at the revised price and the balance amount will be unlocked upon allotment...just relax!
107. raven |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 12:29:47 PM
Prabhat Dairy

Due to market conditions Company has decided to reduce price of shares. Now shares are offered at very attractive price band of Rs.115 to 126 per share.

Due to reduction in share price number of shares offered for sale have been increased and becaof it , % subscription now came down. People are not withdrawing application nor institutions are withdrawing applications.

Need to track subscriptions continuously as it is increasing every hour. Serious investors should take decision after proper review and not based on wrong information posted in these forum.

106. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 11:32:58 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Yesterday the subscription was .28 today at 11 am it is .24 approx 15% have cancel the application tell something abt this iPo Big avoid historically issue which have change the price band always list in discount. Fair price should have been 65 Big avoid. Retail investor should stay away from this iPo with secondary market weak iPo in general will list in discount
106.5. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 2, 2015 7:02:20 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
boy this forum is getting infested with company stooges Avoid high PE low ROC low RoE
106.6. Vickrant S |   Link |  Bookmark | September 4, 2015 4:22:40 PM
Dear Septa,
Please do your homework. Don''t comment if you are out of basics.