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213. M Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 10:13:24 AM
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WHAT IS WRONG IN MY ADVICE.....
ISSUE PRICE WILL BE THE SAME FOR ALL THE INVESTORS ....
SUPPOSE ISSUE PRICE IS 193 THEN EVERYONE WHO APPLIED AT OR ABOVE 193 WILL GET SHARES..@193 (EVEN IF INVESTOR APPLIED @ 203, ISSUE PR WILL BE 193)

IF ISSUE PRICE IS 195, THEN EVERYONE WHO APPLIED AT OR ABOVE 195 WILL GET SHARES.. @ 195


IF ISSUE PRICE IS 203 THEN EVERYONE APPLYING AT 203 WILL GET SHARES AND THOSE WHO APPLIED AT 202 OR LESSER AMOUNT WILL NOT GET ALLOTMENT.

HERE SOME ONE ASKED SIMPLE QUESTION AND I REPPLIED SIMPLE WITHOUT SHOWING MY EXTRAORDINARY KNOWLEDGE OF CUT-OFF ETC....



212. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 9:49:12 AM
milindm

if u apply @ 203, and the govt finalises offer @ 193 yes u will be alloted @ 203, so to avoid this u need to always apply at cut-off price which is in payment term means applying @ 203 but if the price is discovered lower we will be alloted at that price........

so always apply at cut-off
211. M Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 9:46:52 AM
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DEAR MILINDM

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If I apply at upper range of band i.e at 203 and if the company finally issues the share at 193 at what Price I will get share ?
Will I get at 203 or I will get allocated at 193 ?

Thanks
Milind


U WILL GET SHARES @ 193 LESS 5% DISCOUNT IN THIS CASE. SHARES WILL BE ALLOTTED AT THE SAME PRICE TO ALL THE INVESTORS INCLUDING QIB, HNI (EXCEPT RETAILERS WHO WILL GET 5% DISC., HOWEVER BASIC PRICE WILL BE SAME FOR ALL CLASS OF INVESTORS).

BUT IF U APPLY @193 BUT PRICE IS FIXED @ 203 U WILL NOT GET ALLOTMENT BECAUSE ALLOTMENT PRICE WILL BE SAME FOR ALL INVESTORS.
210. milindm |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 9:38:03 AM
If I apply at upper range of band i.e at 203 and if the company finally issues the share at 193 at what Price I will get share ?
Will I get at 203 or I will get allocated at 193 ?

Thanks
Milind
209. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 8:49:54 AM (200+ Posts)
PFCI IS GOING THRU SOME TOUGH TIMES .

Its NIMs are falling in todays rising rate scenario & its getting tough competition from Indian & even Chimnese banks.

APPLY in PFCI only after seeing the response of FIIs & avail benefit of 5 % retail discount after selling in Future
208. Girish patel |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 8:36:57 AM
pls. tell me its gray market
207. m.l.a. |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 8:01:35 AM
deargemipofinder, isit safe to sell application in grey market for rs3200 -3300 and then apply or keepit open till allotment kindly ,give your suggestion taking risk and reward opf selling d pressure on allotment, thanks.
206. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2011 6:47:45 AM
pure satta

i wonder tomorrow u will get 210-213 in future......

i m also planning to short above 210.........

the discount between cash and future prices will norrow towards listing and if future goes to substantial premium we may loose.......

u can expect much more shares than 500 on every 2 lac application , retail portion will not significantly cross 1 time i expect between 0.8-1.1 times in retail.......

u can short at once or in parts depending on the price......
205. pure satta |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 11:16:28 PM
dear sridhar anna,skdashji, gem ipo finderji, truth finderji,saharanpurji and my dear all, please advise me, i am going to short future(3000shares) tommarow at arround 210-213 rs. as i having 6 full(2lac)applications considering atleast allotment of 500 shares per full application. please advide what could be strategy by considering ban period also. should i short in 3 parts(1000x3)?. this would be in dabba to hide high transaction value and having no margine money for official future trade.
204. IPO/STOCK GURO |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 11:05:40 PM
after listing 98% ipo/fpo gir jatay hi, isi liya listing pay har koi sell karkay apni jaan bachana chahata hi chahay lose may nikly chay profit may,
203. tejas j shah |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 9:01:18 PM
current market wide limit is 49-50%, pfc not in ban period for tomorrows trade
202. IPO/STOCK GURO |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 8:37:20 PM
Before apply in pfc fpo, look ipo/fpo rate and current rate of these PSUs, NHPC , SJVNL ,PTC FIN. , NMDC, NTPC , ENG. INDIA , SHIPING CO. ,MOIL , PFC all time low is only 86 and fpo range 193 to 203 ,about 95 % ipo/fpo are trading vary low price ,market is vary veek when 5000 carors selling praser will come in this stock ,i am 98% sure that it will avilabel below 190.
201. Forum Modulator |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 7:24:25 PM
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200. pure satta |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 6:58:41 PM
dear moderatorji, may i fine the subscription details of REC FPO in thsi site so i can guess somethiong. please any body can help me.
199. n kumar |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 6:40:30 PM
Gem IPO Finder,

If there is a voting mechanism to vote for Star contributors, u can count me my vote for sure.

A small saying by a writer Naguib Mahfouz
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I believe u r clever so Keep Posting.
198. vas nat |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 5:19:39 PM (200+ Posts)
ONGC - Still Futures trade Re.0.5 higher than cash. Taking short position now for the coming FPO is risky.

A few days of futures discount to cash, would be the right time to take short position for FPO.
197. sanjiv sheth |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 4:02:19 PM
adv kostak of pfc in ahd
196. tejas j shah |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 2:44:00 PM
The people who wants to short f&o are advised to do so by today itself
195. tejas j shah |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 2:37:46 PM
In my assumption by tomorrow morning market wide limit for pfc crosses the allowed limit & scrip should be in ban period.
194. NIFTY FIFTY |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2011 2:13:22 PM
Power Finance Corporation’s (BSE: 532810, NSE: PFC) Follow-on Public Offer is to be priced at a band of Rs. 193 to Rs. 203, with retail investors getting a 5% discount, which means that the effective retail price would be around Rs. 193, assuming that the bulk of the non-retail subscriptions would be at the upper end of the band. The scrip continued to make new 52-Week Lows, with a new low of Rs. 205.65 registering today at NSE.

Power Finance Corporation, the largest listed term-lending NBFC in the country, is attempting to grow bigger through this FPO, pegged to raise around Rs. 5000 crore. This state-run institution, which is already bigger than several banks by networth, will end up as the fourth-largest lender in the country by networth, post the FPO, ahead of even Punjab National Bank (BSE: 532461, NSE: PNB).

But the question before investors is, of course, whether the PFC FPO holds any kind of unique promise for them. PFC’s track-record in wealth creation is quite mixed. This PSU which had its IPO in 2007, and started its listed journey at Rs. 104, naturally utilized FY’08’s bull run to quickly triple its market cap within a year.

But when the downturn hit the markets, PFC overreacted in the reverse direction, going as low as Rs. 86 within the next year. Again, when markets started rebounding in 2009, PFC also made a comeback, this time less dramatic. But 2010 was quite good for the scrip, when it hardened the gains, and even scaled its life-time high of Rs. 383, which is quite impressive, as it amounted to a near 400% gain within 3 years. So the lesson No.1 here is that this BSE-500/NSE-500 scrip is a high beta one, especially on a longer time-frame, that can dramatically go up or down with the market.

Anyway, that gain was for the long-holders, the IPO investors. For those who entered the scrip, at almost any point of time, in the last half-year-to-date and held it till now, it is a different story altogether. PFC has underperformed the market in a weekly, fortnightly, monthly, quarterly, and half-yearly basis. In fact, on a half-yearly basis, PFC has eroded share-holder wealth by around 42%.

Now the question is how much of that steep fall is due to the FPO plans announced in advance, and how much is due to the fall in core performance. Looking at the last two quarters’ numbers sequentially, the price fall seems more than justified. In the December quarter, PFC could grow its interest income by just 1.77% , while in March the growth was just 1.62%. Even more unimpressively, profits had dipped by 6% and 8% in these last two quarters. This significant underperformance had started earlier - as a slowdown in the September quarter - and it would seem that for the last six months, PFC has hit some kind of a wall preventing further growth.

In fact, the prime reason why PFC’s FPO is not just a stake sale by Government, but a significant issue of new equity, is this growth obstruction. NBFCs can lend only 25% of their networth to a single company or maximum 40% of its networth to a group of companies. This had prevented PFC’s ability to fund larger power projects of, say, Reliance Power (BSE: 532939, NSE: RPOWER) or Tata Power (BSE: 500400, NSE: TATAPOWER), or to lend more to their parent groups, Reliance Group (formerly Reliance ADAG) or the Tatas. Though the FPO will solve this, and will boost PFC’s loan book in the short-term, whether this will further the downside risks possible on the income and profit front, remains to be seen.

The downside risk shouldn‘t be discarded, as already PFC is suffering from too much concentrated exposure, with 54% of their loan book made up by just 10 borrowers. Despite the hype surrounding large power projects, the ground reality is that these long-gestation projects have upset the calculations of not themselves, but their lenders, their shareholders, and the nation. Reasons are many, including fuel shortage, as in the case of coal.

But PFC doesn’t have much of a choice over here - whether to shun or support large power projects - as their other kind of customers, the State Electricity Boards, have been alarmingly worsening in health, for some years now.

Coming to the core metrics and valuations, PFC comes across as an average buy. Its Return on Equity (RoE) of nearly 17% is poorer than other term-lending institutions like IFCI’s (BSE: 500106, NSE: IFCI) 21%, or Rural Electrification Corporation’s (BSE: 532955, NSE: RECLTD) above 18% RoE. However, PFC’s cash flow position was better than either of them in FY’10.

Valuation wise, PFC’s TTM P/E at the FPO price of Rs. 193, comes to 8.46 times, and is reasonable, but comparable peer REC is also valued the same, while IFCI is available at around half of PFC’s valuation. Also, since the FPO involves 15% of new issue of shares (dilution), PFC is, in fact, costlier than REC.

Price-to-book-value wise, PFC is comparable to REC at 2 times, but double that of IFCI’s 1 times P/BV.

All these term-lending institutions can look up to the hefty valuations of their peer IDFC (BSE: 532659, NSE: IDFC), which enjoys a P/E of 24 and a P/BV of 3, but it is highly unlikely that players like PFC would be re-rated to match IDFC, as IDFC finances a more diversified, faster infra growth.

All in all, PFC is a same-weight or equal-weight kind of stock, which justifies no rush-investing like in an FPO, but since it is directly coupled with the country’s power sector growth, it can be considered for a 5-10 years time-frame, if picked at the lowest possible price. For example, considering the 15% dilution involved, if it is picked up at around Rs. 167 at a P/E of 7.3 times during a downturn, PFC can be a reasonable buy.

At the FPO price of around Rs. 193 (after the 5% retail discount), the issue doesn’t look like a good buy. Maybe one will get a 5% short-term gain, but investing for that seems impractical, as there are downside risks like interest risk, dilution risk, and, of course, market risk due to its long-term high-beta.