how preipo price comes out to be 2300 and suddenly pb decides price band of 940-980. feeling lucky that I have sold this at 1910. and reliance retail at 3800. but after this kind of price band I am now scared to buy in pre ipo..sterlite power is having 1500/- pre ipo price, i am having doubt here too might be it will come around 750-800
Subh Deepawali to all lovely participants of this forum. Blessed with first health and happiness but also with lots of wealth. May have allotment of good issues. Best wishes to Management also.
It''ll also become 0, once weak hands will discard the mandate on 8th November. GMP will open it''s wings and rest will be history. 90% people fell into this psychological turmoil and that''s stock market for you.
@jigar mota bhai bharo bharo... aapko ek secret batata hu kisiko mat batana... jab bhi QIB 13x cross kare to aap koi bhi ipo me risk le sakte ho... latest aptus me yahi hua.. fir subject 1500 hua.. fir market ki vajah se gira tha... same with PB ...
aur muje bhai mat bolo yaar i m just LOMDI... :) aur lomdi hamesha jutha / awishwasu / aur lalchu hota he... :)
109.9. JIgar A| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2021 8:29:32 AM
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@lomdi Thanks, I applied.
Apko log lomdi kehte he pr ye nam aap pr achha nahi lagta kyunki aap is forum me prmpt reply dete ho, aapki knowledge bhi acchi he. Apne jitne bhi ipo me apply kiya approx sab hi profit diye he. And apka wo idea bhi achha he ki agar risk nahi lena he to fir s2 me bech dalo. Aur rahi bat bhai ki, to me bhi gujarti aap bhi gujarati isliye apko bhai kaha. Koi bat ni abse aap lomdi.
Wish u happy diwali to u and ur family, god gives u prosperity & healthy life
108. Chem cho| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2021 8:26:07 AM
IPO Guru (2600+ Posts, 2700+ Likes)
Happy Diwali to all my well wishers and ALL the members and Non members who open the site and read my comments , critics , also to Chittorgarh management team i hope your total return in one year should be 30 to 40 %from Diwali 2020 to Diwali 2021 (minimum )
I contra the opinion that QIBs don''t affect listing gains.. In fact I believe QIBs possess the best of the knowledge of the market..I have seen this in most of the IPOs in past, eg. HDFC Life, Bandhan Bank.. Today also I took the call to apply only on QIBs response, confident of listing gains if market doesn''t show wild movement..✌️
107.1. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2021 12:10:11 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
yes agree with you....and many other examples also like gland, sona, zomato where QIB''s were better than NII. Hopefully 5 to 20% gains will be there in Policy bazaar on listing day.
106. sahab| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2021 3:15:45 PM
IPO Guru (1100+ Posts, 600+ Likes)
don not apply it is another online ipo like cartrade.
You might not need a car, but you''ll always need an insurance and a loan. And this might seem expensive but it''s market leader like Zomato. It may or may not turn profitable in future but right now it got the buzz going for it. Apply as per your risk appetite.
106.2. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2021 4:14:57 PM
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good reply monster.....explained everything in short and crisp :)
Thankyou lokes... As a close acquaintance to an inside employee of policy Bazaar.... present is tough...but looking at Indian stock market and internet penetration(laziness to go offline), i can say that everything is possible. Get allotment , add more down the line....or sell for listing gains and later. Choose to invest again. Whatever u feel to do.
8 -9 years ago when Amazon came to India, it had to offer cod for customer as no one trusted a website with prepaid orders, similarly policy Bazaar and paisa baazar are google of policy and loan in india. Apart from that, people crying at cartarde , just think about how EVs would sell in the near future. What platform could provide a comparison between EVs and provide an option to order them online ?. Would we need showrooms for selling EVs??.... I think cartarde will play an important role in selling of newly built vehicles, Preferably two-wheelers more than four wheelers. Future is unpredictable and i personally think cartrade is ahead of time to establish a strong base.
On a lighter note, I will never buy a car without test drive. Shoes too without trying, unless its of same brand and same type. Even developed countries people goto dealer to buy. So I believe unless its a repeat order, physical presence required for big ticket items/custom fit items.
High QIB subscription is no guarantee of buoyant performance and gains on listing. Not that I''m expecting a strong QIB response to PB...currently about 4.5x subscribed at upper price band and very interestingly 4.1x at lower price band...this gap between upper and lower is quite significant and unseen in recent times!
CarTrade was about 35x subscribed in QIB category and is ~30% down since IPO.
by remembering car trade, w.r.t. QIB subscription - now I am dropping - confusion cleared - thank you
100.2. Lokesh Chiru| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2021 3:03:24 PM
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If US Fed policy today evening is hawkish then PB Fintech IPO GMP will vanish in no time and will mostly probably list in discount bcoz of expensive valuations and many insurance players breaking tieup to list in PB platform.
Note: Cartrade was atleast showing decent profits unlike this IPO with its losses continuously increasing QoQ.
I didnt understand why CarTrade bombed so much.. it is atleast a profitable platform marketplace company and its unlisted competitor is valued at double valuation in unlisted space despite being in losses.
PB I think is very highly priced.. should have been at half the current valuations
Totally agree...the only flip side is that PB is 75% QIB/10% Retail whereas CT was 50% QIB/35% Retail.
100.5. Kishore S| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2021 4:11:40 PM
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CarTrade is not market leader. I hardly heard anyone selling their car in CT. Cars24 is the leader. But Policy Bazar is market leader. They have good scope to penetrate into larger insurance market. They are wealth creators and they are spending their revenues to get more market share rather than showing them in profits just for the sake of it. Thats why FIIs are pouring money.
I think CarTrade bombed because a) This market values market share more than profitability. b) The auto market in general isn''t perceived to be a thriving one in India right now.
Our context is that of a pandemic. As people think most of the cars are bought in times of prosperity, it feels like the need for a market place like CarTrade is pretty limited. Also, how many times does someone buy a car on avergage? Once or twice in a lifetime? So it''s hard to imagine CarTrade having recurrent end-users.
On the other end, both the platforms of PB Fintech (PolicyBazaar and PaisaBazaar) are the market leaders in the digital category of their products. So the market share is there.
Next, insurance is increasingly seen as a necessity, more so in the times of pandemic. Similarly, the need for credit is increased in times of a pandemic. So PB is in a marketplace which is both growing rapidly (because of increased awareness about financial products among the masses) and seen to be fundamentally important.
And now the final point. Once a person gets into insuarance, they will start insuaring everything. Life, Medical, Home, Car, etc etc. Similarly, once you get a good experience with a loan, it''s likely you''ll come back again if you think it can help you grow. So the customer base is going to be more recurrent in PB Fintech.
These are the reasons why I think there is a good chance PB will list decently. If I have to make a comparison, I would say holding PB stock might be like the experience of holding CAMS - high chance of allotment, decent listing gains, and good growth at least in the medium term (CAMS share has zoomed 2.5x in a year).
100.8. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2021 4:24:52 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@kishore @zabhi: good points....completely agree....each company is different and business is different, no matter even if they are internet companies. if one did bad, doesn''t mean other will also do similar way and vice versa also.
All very valid observations...need for insurance and platforms that sell insurance is undeniable. However, the main concern here is the valuation and nothing else!
Cartrade did not do well due to auto sector going through a general overhaul, phasing out of old vehicles and the imminent change to electric vehicles
99. ipobull| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2021 5:20:06 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 1000+ Likes)
After seeing the subscription levels go up in QIB category and stable in retail category, decided to apply in retail category in expectation of some listing gains considering the anchor book provided I am allotted. Now its time to shift focus to Paytm where opinions of experts are solicited.