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280. TosEq |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 4:09:58 PM
Anyone willing to sell their application can reply to the comment. Based out of Mumbai for your information. IPO looks solid with sound financials!
280.1. Arpit Bhandari |   Link |  Bookmark | October 24, 2016 2:56:44 AM
@ what price??
279. OmFinvest Mumbai |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 3:17:01 PM
Sell & Apply, that is only feasiable way to make money in PNBHF, otherwise Investor may loose money on listing.
278. gupa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 3:16:54 PM
good ipo pnb housing
277. Nidhike |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 3:03:16 PM (300+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
PNBHFC vs Varun ....its interesting to note how history repeats itself n ppl still make the same mistake citing this time its different.
(Look at icici pru n endurance IPO)

Grey MKT has been proved wrong so many times in past n in recent times
Reliance power
Coal India
Nhpc
Equitas (gmp low traded at premium)
Ujjivan (gmp high but listed almost par)
Interglobe
Icici pru

276. MUDIT NATANI |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 2:50:01 PM
@ All knowledged person , If RII category applications goes up to 8 lacks and subscription in RII is 1.5 than what is the probability to get more than one lot for one who applied for more than one lot? Assuming that all applications are on upper price band.
276.1. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 5:27:10 PM (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
I will get 1 lot only
276.2. Ipo tracker |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 5:48:02 PM (500+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
If there are more than 7,08 467 valid applications in retail, (all @ upper band)everybody will get only one lot.
275. DINESH MOOLCHANDANI |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 2:18:33 PM
I am from Jabalpur and want to sell my applications@800 per application.kindly contact at 9826;169;020
275.1. TosEq |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 4:13:43 PM
@ Dinesh Moolchandani 7080 Are you still interested? Kindly revert.
275.2. shivam chouksey |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 8:07:15 PM
I am from gadarwara i want sell at 600 per application pls contact 9179_5486_20
274. Maniac |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 12:02:56 PM
@ 248.2. Silapathar and @ 248.1.Ashish Khater

Hey! Do you guys like your food without a pinch of salt added to it? Or live a life with no thrill, no adventure in it? .For me its the opposite. For me the life is about taking risks and looking past uncertainty...
Yes you guys have been trying to paint a very drear picture of PNBHFs ...All that talk about the FUTURE so bleak ..
There will be a mountain of NPAs discovered ''after 5 Years'', the Growth would have stalled,There will be governance issues and frauds of every kind...and of course... there will be World War III one day,resulting in Apocalypse...
But what about Right Now? The Present where we all live in? NPAs are the lowest .and there will be NO TALK about the NPAs for the next ''2 - 3 years'' ...That takes away a huge cause of worry.
Growth is high because of low base? Well obviously the company is in a nascent stage of growth and with the new capital infusion the growth must pick up further momentum, so there would be no worries even on that front for a few years Ask those Shareholders of Bharti, Hero or Infosys who bought the themes during infancy...Those were the years they made the fortune that made people envy.

So for the next ''2 - 3 years'' it ll be only GROWTH GROWTH and GROWTH to be seen. The BV would have risen further by another 50 % and the price would have followed suit.

So ... I''m applying and applying heavily....
274.8. Maniac |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 3:27:39 PM
Yes ..but your analysis and fear is based on assumptions ...while I''m working in the most pragmatic manner...

Show me that BIG LURKING Risk that makes you forecast a certain debacle or believe the premium coffee to be ordinary without even seeing./ tasting it.....

And yes ....tell me only whats apparent to the human eyes rather than the things that only witchcraft or people''s ghostly abilities can perceive :D
274.9. Nidhike |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 8:29:30 PM (300+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
U don''t know if u can make money by just excel sheets .....one has to make assumptions but a realistic one.

Surely my fear and analysis is based on some assumptions but those assumptions r made only from past experiences and I m firm beliver that this time it will still be the same again!!!
273. fIRST sTEP |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 9:15:17 AM
Hello guys,i m new investor in IPO so plz describe how to see "kostak" which u r regularly talked about?
273.1. Silapathar |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 11:19:51 AM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Kostak is per application price in grey market. Essentially Kostak will be (GMP * Lot Size / Allotment probabiity)
272. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 8:21:17 AM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Many here mentioned about sell in kostak(@even 650) but kostak/gmp is increasing day by day as mentioned yesterday.....

As per my view only one can sell if he get kostak 1050 /lot .....

850 is still not optimum rate ...

Let see if u apply for 1 lot
i.e 850*1==(850 sell in kostak)
19*60==( 1140 if successfully alloted)


So they will "CHAU" ur 190 rs without paying a single penny ....!!

Here success ratio of allot gonna b up
Because of
- expertes find it overvalued(pnbhf)
- diwali KHARCHA
- Varun the bottler ipo
272.2. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 7:33:16 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
No sir I will
272.3. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 7:33:35 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
No sir I will prefer PNBHF
271. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 7:09:10 AM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
Yesterday''s kostsk Rs. 850. Actively trading. I am still not understanding why it is trading at high price.
270. cyclone |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 1:47:11 AM
Mr.bhatia icici Pru value discovery fund (G) is good multicap fund
269. Dr Imran Thakur |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 1:07:47 AM
hi im ffrm mumbai u want to buy applications
268. Carn Mohan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 11:51:46 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (1200+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
yaha tho koi 100. Rs may bhi application buy karnay wala nahi mil raja.
267. Carn Mohan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 11:48:46 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (1200+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
At the price band of Rs 775 per share, PNB Housing Finance is offered at a P/E of 39.2 times (FY 2016 EPS on post-issue equity). Among the comparable peers, Gruh Finance trades at P/E (on EPS for FY2016) of 50.5 times, Repco Home Finance at 31.7, Can Fin Homes at 31.1, HDFC at 21.1, LIC Housing Finance at 18.4, Indiabulls Housing Finance at 18.4 and Dewan Housing Finance at 11.9.( Demanding pe is very high)
267.1. Mann Ki Baat |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 1:24:03 AM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (500+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
Indiabulls Housing Finance is cheapest stock available in market

It gives dividend after every quarter

Dividend Yield of 6% per annum
266. Calicut |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 11:23:48 PM
I am not applying for PNBHFL. The logic behind it as follows.

1. It''s peers listing performance was negative.
2. Valuation base offer price is little bit high
3. It''s issue size is little bit higher value (3000 CR)
266.7. Mumbai DON |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 4:13:30 PM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Have dare to sell @450?
266.8. Jitu patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 23, 2016 4:46:31 PM
@ Mumbai DON
Yes I want to sell my five applications.
GIVE ME YOUR CONTACT NUMBER
265. Nidhike |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 9:42:36 PM (300+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
Businessline:


Firm Calls
PNB Housing Finance: House of loans
Updated: October 22, 2016 21:16 IST | Radhika Merwin



Strong parentage, robust growth in loans, big-ticket housing loans driven by higher presence in larger cities, lower returns due to relatively higher cost and lower margins, and stable asset quality — this about sums up the story of PNB Housing Finance so far, a subsidiary of State-owned Punjab National Bank.

The stock’s post-issue valuation — 2.4 times its FY16 book value at the upper end of the price band of Rs 750-775 per share — lies between the valuations of other housing finance companies (HFCs). From 1.9 times (Dewan Housing) to about 3.4 times (Indiabulls Housing and LIC Housing) and five to six times (HDFC, Repco Home and Canfin Homes) to as high as 14.8 times (Gruh), valuations are widely spread for players in this space. The PNB Housing Finance issue, which is priced close to the lower end of this range, offers a good opportunity for long-term investors with a high-risk appetite.



Nonetheless, with growth in loans for the company expected to moderate, intense competition in the space, exerting pressure on margins, possible rise in delinquencies due to higher proportion of non-retail loans and returns ratios to improve only gradually over the coming years, investors need to temper their expectations. For the stock to re-rate substantially from current levels, similar to the spectacular run seen in Repco, profitability has to improve notably.

Growth to moderate
PNB Housing Finance has had a good run in the last couple of years, with its loan book growing by around 62 per cent and profit by 43 per cent annually between 2011-12 and 2015-16.

The company has benefited from branding and capital support from its promoter (PNB’s current holding of 51 per cent will fall to 38-39 per cent post-IPO). It offers housing loans to individuals, construction finance for real estate developers, and non-housing loans in the form of loans against property (LAP), loans for purchase or construction of commercial properties, loans against rental receivables, and corporate term loans.

The chunk of the company’s loan book comprises retail housing loans (61 per cent of total loans) and this segment has grown at a healthy pace of 55 per cent annually over the last four years. But the share of construction finance and non-housing loans has increased notably. From 3 per cent in 2011-12, the share of construction finance has gone up to 9.5 per cent of loans now, while that of non-housing loans has risen from 25 per cent to 29.7 per cent.

Going ahead, the stellar growth in loans that has mainly been led by a low base is likely to moderate. Nonetheless, the company should be able to grow its loans at a healthy clip due to geographical expansion and scaling down of loan size as it builds its presence in Tier I and Tier II cities.

PNB Housing Finance has the highest ticket size of housing loans at Rs 32 lakh, far higher than the Rs 20-25 lakh that HDFC and LIC Housing Finance report.

Needs watching
The management has indicated that the current loan mix will more or less remain steady and it would follow a cautious approach to growing its loan book. For now, the company’s asset quality is stable and its gross non-performing assets as a percentage of loans at 0.22 per cent in 2015-16 (0.27 per cent as of June 2016), is among the lowest among other housing finance companies.

But given the rapid loan growth, particularly in the relatively riskier non-housing segment and construction finance portfolio (which accounts for around 39 per cent of the loan book), asset quality concerns may emerge.

Diversified funding mix
PNB Housing Finance has a well-diversified funding mix. It The company has also been able to raise sizeable deposits, leading to over 100 per cent growth annually in the last four years.

But intense competition can continue to put pressure on margins which are already modest. PNB Housing Finance’s net interest margin at 2.98 per cent in 2015-16 is lower than the 4-odd per cent that HFCs, such as Repco, HDFC, and Gruh Finance, sport. The company’s relatively higher leverage (debt to equity) has also impacted margins.

As of June 2016, the company’s leverage stood at about 13 times. The management expects this to fall to 9-10 times over the next two to three years. Also, equity infusion, post-IPO, should bring down leverage to some extent.

The company’s higher cost-to-income ratio has led to moderate returns of about 25 per cent. This is higher than the 15-19 per cent of other HFCs. Return on asset is thus a lower 1.3 per cent against the industry’s 2-odd per cent. PNB Housing Finance has been investing in growing the business in the last couple of years. Going ahead, operational efficiencies that result in lower costs and better returns will be critical for it to offset the impact on earnings from a possible rise in bad loans.
264. k.broker |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 8:32:02 PM
any one sujest apply ya not
pnb---??????
varun------??????
264.1. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 9:21:34 PM (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
apply both with full force
263. sam SUNIL |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 8:16:53 PM
PNB housing IPO is better than Varun beverages

Reason : When registrar is Karvy , IPOs are list on discount ( HPL, ICICI PRU, L&T tech).

And when registrar is Linkintime, IPOs are list on profit ( Endurance, GNA, RBL, S P apparels)

Now PNB housing IPO have registrar Linkintime.
263.3. sujee |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 10:40:39 PM
Totally agree with you
263.4. sujee |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 10:40:40 PM
Totally agree with you
262. TEJENDRA SINGH SHEKHAWAT |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 7:34:07 PM
Eagleye ji,
Plz continue to post on ipo message board,ipo grey market page has become irrelevant.plz advise for pnb yes or no
Thank
261. sahib singh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 22, 2016 6:41:35 PM
With more more brokers like angel, venture coming with +ve reports on PNB Housing Finance http://wp.me/p7zwuc-hA . it seems the issue is worth to subscribe and eagleye is again correct from day one.