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340. Ipo tracker |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 2:16:59 PM (500+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
All comparable peers except Dewan have p/bv above 3 times. In financial stocks p/bv is one of the important parametre, if not the only one.
Forget about gmp, anchor investors, subscription figures, just on the basis of p/bv, if market values Pnbhf''s p/bv around 3 or bit lesser, listing gains possible.
Make your own decision. Don''t do anything just because others are doing.
340.10. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 6:50:56 PM
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Nidhike Sir,

I hope you have informed of your change of mind to Mr. Nirmal Shah ... the poor chap had decided not to apply in PNB based on your comments about PNB Housing ... you may consider it as your moral duty to set it right.






refer the message trail:

Nidhike Oct 19, 2016 1:04:30 PM IST Reply
PNB Housing Finance Ltd IPO

Let''''s analyze this on famous QLGP

Q-quality....PnB+ Carlyle ...one is sucked by govt n other is a sucker for its fund

L- longevity ...Yes HFC is in sweet spot but very competitive now ....many players upping the arm

G-growth...quantum yes but quality of growth very doubtful....accidents do happen when we run too fast too far

P-price...goog company can be a bad investment... After so much appreciation n topping up that with agrresive pricing u r taking away 2 year of growth

Lastly i m fundamentally firm believer in MoS margin of safety....which I don''''t find here any.



Septa Oct 19, 2016 1:12:37 PM IST
PNB Housing Finance Ltd IPO

Also compare to listed peers it is expensive and nothing special about. This IPO will not give any stellar Gains if any 3% to 5% which like ICICI and L&T twins will come down.

Also the sector housing is over priced and full hardly any corporate governance

Better choice is Varun Beverages

Apply only with long term goal short term chance of gain is very minimum
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Nirmal Shah Oct 19, 2016 5:32:13 PM IST
PNB Housing Finance Ltd IPO

Nidhike,
Thanks for sharing your valuable comments.
You are very knowledgeable person.
After reading some of the expert''''s comments,i decided not to apply.
Thanks once again.
340.11. Nidhike |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 6:58:52 PM
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He should have read ur liner
Suno Sab ki... karo Mann ki"
339. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 2:03:34 PM
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SUNO SAB KI ... KARO MANN KI
339.2. Athar |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 2:46:16 PM (200+ Posts)
plz write in English
339.3. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 6:56:57 PM
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it translates to mean ...

"You should listen to what everyone says but you should DO only what you think fit"
338. New player |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 2:03:24 PM
bhai log. need your help. i have 4 lakh to invest..
if i invest all the amount i come under HNI which is always oversubscribed and i get nothing.. or get peanuts worth 20-30k worth of shares.

is it better to invest 1.9 lakh as retail. that way i can atleast hope to get 1lakh worth of shares.
338.1. Venkatram |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 2:15:38 PM
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That is hoping the retail portion is just about subscribed or oversubscribed by very little amount say 1.1X or 1.2X. A wiser move is to split the money across multiple of your close relative''s accounts to ensure u have higher entries in lottery.
337. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:48:06 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Have not seen Chem Cho pink jain khemka on PNB and varun position ?????
336. Sunil Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:45:31 PM (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Now retailers are applying fearlessly.

GMP 50
Kostak 775

335. Maniac |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:31:00 PM
The correct way to value a Financial institution / lender is by looking at it''s book value and NPA levels...Thats the benchmark.....P/BV of 2.3 is a steal .. the price at which people would buy or kill ..
334. Maniac |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:23:01 PM
@ 328 NRI investor
. High. PE? ..Is that your worry?..PE is commensurate with the growth ..That''s the thumb rule of investing ....
. Can you buy a Masserati / a Ferrari at the price of a Pre Owned NANO?...There lies the answer .....You won''t get PNBHF at LOW PE ..Just forget it ...
333. NRI Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:02:03 PM
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Analysis of upcoming IPO of PNB Housing Finance has been loaded on www.sptulsian.com.



You can access it in the Free Zone in New Issue Analysis section (no login required). The section can be accessed at:

https://www.sptulsian.com/free_zone/new_issues_analysis



New issue (IPO) Analysis:

Professionally Nurtured Business



PNB Housing Finance is entering the primary market on Tuesday 25th October 2016, to raise Rs. 3,000 crore, via a fresh issue of equity shares of Rs. 10 each, in the price band of Rs. 750 to Rs. 775 per share. Based on the price discovered, company will issue 3.9 to 4.0 crore equity shares at the upper and lower end of the price band respectively. Representing 23.37% of the post issue paid-up share capital at the upper end, issue closes on Thursday 27th October.



51% subsidiary of Punjab National Bank, PNB Housing Finance is India’s 5th largest home loan provider (after HDFC, LIC Housing, Dewan and Indiabulls Housing) with loan book of Rs. 30,900 crore (30-6-16), 70% of which is housing loans, having average ticket size of Rs. 32 lakh. Average ticket size for non-housing loans, which constitute 30% of the loan book, is Rs 57 lakh. With operations mostly in the urban areas of North, South and West India, its loan book has posted CAGR of 62% between March 2012 to June 2016.



While FY16 revenue grew 52% YoY to Rs. 2,700 crore, Net interest income (NII) jumped 63% YoY to Rs. 840 crore, leading to net profit of Rs. 328 crore and EPS of Rs. 27.58, on equity of Rs. 126.92 crore. Net interest margin (NIM) of 2.98% was clocked in FY16, up from FY15’s 2.94%, while Return on average assets (RoA) stood at 1.35%, up from FY15’s 1.27%.



The stupendous financial performance continued into FY17, with revenue of Rs. 863 crore, NII of Rs. 255 crore and net profit of Rs. 96 crore for the June quarter. Q1FY17 EPS stood at Rs. 7.57. Despite the phenomenal growth, asset quality is has remained intact, infact better than industry average. Gross NPAs, as of 30-6-16, of Rs. 84 crore, represents 0.27% of gross assets.



As of 30-6-16, company had networth of Rs. 2,240 crore, translating to BVPS of Rs. 177. It has only 2 shareholders - parent Punjab National Bank (51%) and Carlyle Group (49%), the latter pursuant to its acquisition of Destimoney Enterprises in Feb 2015. Fresh issue proceeds of Rs. 3,000 crore will augment company’s capital base. Current capital adequacy ratio (CAR) stands at 13.04% vis-à-vis regulatory requirement of 12%.



Given the room which fresh capital will provide the company for further leverage, capital being lifeline for any finance business, FY17 expected EPS is estimated at about Rs. 35 per share. At Rs. 775, company’s market cap will be Rs. 12,837 crore, upon listing, based on expanded equity of Rs. 165.63 crore. Estimated BVPS, as of 31-3-17, is Rs. 340, which translates into PBV multiple of 2.3x, while the PE multiple works out to 22x, based on current year estimates.



Below is a comparison with other listed housing finance companies, both bigger and smaller than the company:


* at upper end of price band of Rs. 775 per share

The growth rates which PNB Housing has posting is the highest in the industry (only Can Fin reported higher PAT growth in FY16, but its revenue and loan book growth was much lower). Moreover, PNB Housing’s NPAs have also been under check - 2nd best in the peer set. While net margins and RoE can improve further, based on valuation parameters of PBV multiple (2.3x) and market cap as a % to loan assets (42%), the pricing of the issue appears in-line. Growth visibility in the stock remains very high, given the fresh capital coming into the business, which provides added comfort.



Housing finance industry has been on a growth trajectory, with further headroom for growth. Company’s industry-leading growth coupled with sound fundamental position make it an attractive investment opportunity, albeit softening due to higher base.



Positive sector outlook coupled with stunning growth rates make the issue a subscribe.



Disclosure: No Interest.
332. NRI Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:27:38 PM
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I think this IPO price is very costly...

I mean 29 PE is too much...

Whereas there competitors are available at very low PE

LIC Housing Finance availalbe at 15x PE

Deewan Housing Finance at 8x PE


Also, remember guys ICICI PRU LIFE ipo is also very big IPO. And all these BIG IPOs never give good listing Gains..

Think twice before apply....
332.1. Omkar Patkar |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:37:52 PM
Guys looking for Short term gain may not apply... but those looking for long term should apply i believe.... its 5th largest Housing Finance comp... it shouldn''t be that bad over the long term.
331. Omkar Patkar |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:10:11 PM
Guys... is the onlinesbi.com site down... unable to apply to IPO as ASBA....
331.1. nevermind |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:20:38 PM
kal kar dena bhai
331.2. sunil prajapat |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:55:25 PM
its working now perfectly
330. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:00:00 PM
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ET:1% of PNB Housing Finance IPO subscribed in first half-an-hour http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/ipos/fpos/1-of-pnb-housing-finance-ipo-subscribed-in-first-half-an-hour/articleshow/55044734.cms
329. BIPEEN GUPTA |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 11:41:35 AM
plz... kind hearted and well informed person....plz help me with your valuable suggestion...instead of applying in and buyin on listing day PNB HOUSING ,,,,will not it be wiser if i purchase DHFL ,i.e., DEWAN HOUSING FINANCE..i am confused.. plz bail me out....thanking you in anticipation...........
328. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 11:38:02 AM
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PNB GMP 53-54
327. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 11:21:03 AM
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Expectations by Market Pundits ...

Price on 27th October >>> Rs.775/- (Issue Price)
Price on 07th November >>>Rs.850 – 900/- (Listing Date)

Price by Christmas >>> Target Rs.1000/-
Price by Holi >>> Target Rs.1250/-

SUNO SABKI ... KARO MANN KI
327.2. Rudrax |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 11:28:12 AM
Eagleyeji How Many Application Sumbit You
327.3. ran |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:20:54 PM
Thanks a lot ...
326. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 10:53:15 AM
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PNB IPO

Market pundits are currently expecting :

HNI to be 70X over subscribed
RII to be 1.25X (application-wise)

Will update again tomorrow evening ...
326.3. Earthking |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:28:08 PM
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Mam I don''t know how in earth u r able to get this number predicted which turns into reality ultimately ... Thanks for the gr8 job...
326.4. GreeDisGood |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 3:21:24 PM
Hi,
Does 70x in HNI can be construed as a overwhelmed response?
i dont think so. But I wish it gets above 100x to be on safer side for listing gain.
325. IPOCrazyyy |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 9:28:12 AM
Urgent!!!......
Can i apply IPO through ASBA by providing Zerodha''s DP details?
please help.
325.5. Hardik Pipaliya |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 11:00:10 AM
Don''t know @ HDFC but for applying via zerodha demat u need to enter DPID and beneficiary Id together.... (i.e. 16 digit figure)..

dpid = 12081XXX.
beneficiary id = 0031XXXX.

Thn u should put 12081XXX0031XXXX.
325.6. nevermind |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:35:23 PM
@Aditya - What fields are you confused with?


select investor as ASBA retail, shares 19, price 775
applicant name & PAN number, DOB of the applicant,
select depository as CDSL if you have zerodha account, DPNAME as Zerodha
A/C No as your 16 digit demat account number




324. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 8:09:31 AM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Gmp kostak down...really amazing...and some what helpful to understand "grand listing" on cards

now they want u don''t apply so they ( bought in kostak )will get full allotment...

I request all to apply if and only if u really want to. Don''t get carried away by anyone.

hme bhi to full allotment chahiye na :-)

yes, u can also apply varun for 2018 only....!!
324.1. Phoenix |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 8:52:01 AM
I am applying through 5 accounts.... No matter what...
323. HEMIPO |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 7:39:52 AM
PNB gmp down 52-54. App.725
322. makda mustafa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 2:18:25 AM
Septa sir can u apply in PNBHF plz plz suggest me I am follow u always
322.1. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 7:37:16 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Yes
321. SIPs |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 12:35:46 AM
All quality foreign and local investor subscribed as anchor.

http://www.bseindia.com/markets/MarketInfo/DownloadAttach.aspx?id=20161024-37&attachedId=e148dd29-7ac3-4d52-ba51-33c2a9e2deed
321.1. Mann Ki Baat |   Link |  Bookmark | October 25, 2016 1:24:18 AM
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Anchor book is rock solid http://www.bseindia.com/markets/MarketInfo/DispNewNoticesCirculars.aspx?page=20161024-37