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420. Nidhike |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2016 2:30:49 AM
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Sitting on 3X, Carlyle eyes more in PNB arm

By N Sundaresha Subramanian | New Delhi | 27 Oct 2016 00:10 am

Sitting on 3X, Carlyle eyes more in PNB arm
Private equity giant Carlyle group has seen its investment in PNB Housing Finance treble in value in a span of 20 months. That is not all. The mortgage lender''s Rs 3,000-crore initial public offering (IPO), which closes on Thursday, is likely to open up new possibilities to augment and unlock value. But, conditions apply.

PNB Housing is promoted by state-owned Punjab National Bank (PNB), which currently holds 51 per cent. Destimoney Enterprises (DEL, the second largest shareholder owning 49 per cent) is held through a multi-layered structure. While Mauritius-based Quality Investments Holdings (QIH) owns Destimoney, QIH itself is described as follows in the draft red herring prospectus: "Quality Investments Holdings, which is a company incorporated in Mauritius owned and controlled by CAP IV AIV Mauritius Limited, and CAP IV Coinvest AIV Mauritius Limited, which are entities incorporated in Mauritius and QIH''s nominees. These entities have investment advisory arrangements with affiliates of the Carlyle Group, LP."

CAP IV is short for Carlyle Asia Partners IV, a fund that specialises in buyouts. The Carlyle group website described the fund as follows: "Launched in 2013 at $3.9 billion, this fund conducts leveraged buyout transactions in Asia in targeted industries."

While Carlyle has said it is neither selling nor buying shares in the IPO, it would have the opportunity to take control through open market purchases. Such a move would be in line with the ''buyout'' focused philosophy of CAP IV, the ultimate owner of the stake in PNB HFC. After the mandatory lock-in period is over, there would also be an opportunity to exit by selling out to a strategic player, who might pick up a big chunk of shares in the IPO.

Sitting on 3X, Carlyle eyes more in PNB arm
However, it has to be mindful of agreements with the promoters. For example, the shareholding is linked to the licence to use the ''PNB'' brand. If PNB''s shareholding falls below 30 per cent, it would have the right to terminate this licence. Such termination could have an impact on the reputation and resources.

In an e-mail, a Carlyle spokesperson said she had no comment to offer.

Rajat Gupta-promoted New Silk Route had invested Rs 217 crore in PNB HFC through DEL in two tranches between 2009 and 2012 for the 49 per cent stake. In February 2015, these Carlyle vehicles paid for Rs 1,600 crore for DEL, valuing PNB HFC at Rs 3,200 crore. In its IPO, PNB Housing Finance is seeking a valuation of four times that number (Rs 13,000 crore) at the upper end of the price band of Rs 775 a share of its IPO.

The diluted Carlyle stake, which would fall to 37 per cent after the fresh issue of about 40 million shares, would be worth around Rs 4,800 crore - three times its original investment. The issue also opens up various possibilities for Carlyle as PNB would no longer be majority owner.

After the IPO, PNB Housing would cease to be a government company. The fresh issue would bring down the stake of promoter Punjab National Bank to 38 per cent from the current 51 per cent.

When contacted, a PNB spokesperson directed queries to PNB housing finance.

In an emailed response, a spokesperson of PNB Housing Finance said: "As per certificate given by Carlyle to the Company neither they nor any of its arms will be investing in this IPO. In terms of the SEBI ICDR guidelines, the shareholding of the existing shareholders is locked in for at least one year and 20 per cent of the promoters shareholding is locked in for three years. We are not in a position to comment on the Carlyle''s strategy on their holding in the company."

In terms of the shareholders'' agreement, both the shareholders had right to appoint two directors on the board and have their representation in the board. PNB has nominated its managing director and CEO Usha Ananthasubramanian and executive director Ram S Sangapure, while Sunil Kaul and Devinijit Singh represented Carlyle. With the company going public, the shareholders'' agreement is terminated and none of these holders has any special rights, the PNB HFC spokesperson added.

Currently, the board of the company has 10 members - two representatives each from PNB and Carlyle, five independent directors, and the managing director.

The termination of special rights would not have any immediate impact on the board composition. However, things could get interesting if a vacancy arises.

Pursuant to the shareholding agreement amendment and termination agreement, the shareholders have agreed to waive certain rights and amend certain terms of the shareholders'' agreement to facilitate the IPO process, the red herring prospectus dated October 15 said.

"Further, any shareholder whose shareholding in the company is 26 per cent or more of the paid-up equity share capital of the company has the right to nominate two directors on the board and one director on each of the committees of the board, other than the audit committee," the red herring prospectus added.

Any shareholder whose stake is between 10 per cent and 26 per cent of the paid-up equity share capital of the firm, will have the right to nominate one director on the board. However, such shareholder will not have a right to nominate any director on any of the committees of the board.
419. rgrgrg |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2016 1:04:17 AM
Hi eagle eye
Any good stock in secondary market which can give good profits in short term
418. Calicut |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2016 12:46:53 AM
I am not applying for VB or PNBHFL IPOs. But I am planning to buy PNB after listening. For me VB is not a good script.
417. IB |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 11:42:00 PM
septa sir what is your take on aurangabad looking to its regular fall in last two three days whether it is operator driven ! while comparing it with globus spirits which in my view is most available comparable stock it does seem that cheap as you think it to be. Globus spirit is enjoying market cap of 308 crore with P/bv of 0.85 and PE of 20 having gross block 596 crore topline of 992 cr bottomline 12.54 cr regularly being in profit for last many years. In that way aurangabad is not cheap. it has expanded capacity and has to reap benefit but group is yet to be tested and similiar group companies are in same field. I stopped my self looking to your 150 target so please reply
417.4. IB |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2016 1:12:18 AM
actually septa sir rightly said the capacity utilization and benefit of recent expansion in capacity may be the key but we have to carefully examine infact septa sir we have limited capital
417.5. IB |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2016 1:33:21 AM
vajra you have to compare on the same base if you take three year pe in adl then take the same in peers so again on that front you would find adl cheap because the performance of the peers have been zigzag as well in prevsious years. my point is on other fronts and on groups creditability and goverance infact sme if takes the right path than that can be blockbuster or may be zero as well so we need to be careful
416. puri |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 11:25:59 PM
Gmp 54-55
Kostak. 800-825
415. MUDIT NATANI |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 11:13:00 PM
Pl. Inform gmp and kostak.
414. Rajesh Chavan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 10:15:11 PM
What is cut off time for IPO bidding via HDFC and Axis Bank Netbanking on last day?
414.1. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 11:01:30 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
2pm on last day
414.2. Manipo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 11:14:56 PM (200+ Posts)
Axis 3 PM last day
413. gupa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 8:57:53 PM
there is no clear cut price gain left for retailers in short term as compared with other hfc bt in the long term find growth may be.
413.1. Vajra |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2016 12:59:59 AM
Just in case, if you don''t forsee any price gain, present GMP is a decent amount..You can sell your applications in grey market..IMO one should take the chances and apply for 1 lot...
412. Mahesh Purohit |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 8:18:23 PM
Situation will be cleared tomorrow after seeing final Figures ... Finally if L&T Tech can list at premium than why not PNBHF ....Good luck for all those who are applying or applied..
411. NRI Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 7:22:33 PM
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Market in correction mode...

May possible to list on Discount... Cash is the King in Correction mode..

Calculate risks before apply...
410. Mumbai DON |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 7:10:02 PM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
If u want to buy around 700 wait till listing day. No need to hurry by subscribing.
Chances of loss is more than gain.
Sabar ka fal bada or mitha hota hai.
409. Anil vanparia |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 7:05:22 PM
max.possibility of rs
in pnbhf ------...!!!!
409.1. OmFinvest Mumbai |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 7:09:14 PM
1.25-1.5X
408. Vajra |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:56:21 PM
If anchor investors bought directly from promoters with 30 times subscription for the shares on offer, should they not be willing to pay retailers a premium ??
408.1. Silapathar |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 10:37:30 PM
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No
407. OmFinvest Mumbai |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:52:50 PM
Sell in Grey Market & Apply...
Satta trader can short some shares in GM. Great opportunity there in the market.....
Iisting will be at well below:- Issue price+GMP

Another event investors should consider: Listing will be in US Election week so lots of Volatility will give surprise.....
406. Pokemongo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:39:31 PM
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Is it possible to cancel the BID after IPO subscription date has ended?
406.1. Ashish Khater |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 8:08:53 PM
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No
Jai Jinendra.....Ipo bharo aur bharne Do....
406.2. Mumbai DON |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 11:03:09 PM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Withdraw money from ur account.
405. only ipo ipo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:34:53 PM
latest GMP 53-54 Kostak 750-800
404. MA |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:28:50 PM
Dear Eagleye,

please advice about whether to apply for PNB HFL or not ? I know that you have already suggested for apply, but please advice again on the basis of present market scenario.

your advice matters a lot on this group.
404.1. rvr |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:43:13 PM
how many times you people ask for advice....if Eagle Eye says also you dont sleep comfortably
403. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:19:47 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Just 1 more downside by 20/30 point in nifTy can give u full allotment......!!

Look at retailers ....totaly freaked out...!!

Plz b assure.....listing is not by tommo...!!
403.1. Mahesh Purohit |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:27:05 PM
Agree Gamble...Listing is still away and expiry is tomorrow which along with global cues is driving nifty down...hope to see markets at green next month in begining
403.2. Shibani ghosh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:54:05 PM
Gamble technical view on endurance & advanced enzyme
402. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:13:34 PM
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PNB Hsg Fin Ltd.

Day 2 at 5:00PM

QIB*: 0.95X (*Excluding Anchor)
NII : 0.14X
Ret : 0.59X
Emp : 0.13X
Total : 0.59X
Applns : 305,000 (approx)
402.1. Mahesh Purohit |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:15:37 PM
cosidering size of IPO .....Good subscription till day 2
402.2. Nilez |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 10:01:10 PM
I am sure it has been asked. How do one calculate the approx Applications?

I have tried to search through your previous replies and NSE and BSE website, but could not find that out.
401. Mahesh Purohit |   Link |  Bookmark | October 26, 2016 6:02:24 PM
look at VB 33% ..........................Good demand from NII & QIB.....But watch out as this is a foreign franchise ...foreigners might be bidding .....low demand from retail