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43. vicky, kalyn |   Link |  Bookmark | June 14, 2010 3:14:39 PM
Hi akka, VIRU PLUS, sandeep, and other friends.

Thanks for your kind gesture. I appreciate and will keep on posting facts like these.

Thanks again,

Vicky, kalyan
42. unknown |   Link |  Bookmark | June 14, 2010 10:24:10 AM
ipo cancelled
41. sandeep |   Link |  Bookmark | June 14, 2010 9:39:16 AM
do not take panga in this ipo it is totally cheaters ipo

In a country where 80% people are cheat, you really need to have sharp brain & good luck to choose good stocks. People like "Narayan Murthy sir" are very few. Even "TATA" group is loyal and honest.i totally endorse this statement of vicky
40. K.K.Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | June 14, 2010 6:36:01 AM
Dear Sreedhar,
How I wish to be your neighbour so that I can follow your footsteps in investing. This year I have incurred more losses than gains - mostly because of one IPO - the great Ganesh jewellery.
39. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | June 14, 2010 12:48:17 AM
sreedhar,

thanks for your kind words.

i hv built my entire capital thru ipos only since 2003.2003 to 2006 were the golden years where you got superb n very fairly priced ipos like maruti,iob,uco bank,bob,union bank,punj lloyd,suzlon,gail,ongc,ipcl,icici bank ,ekc,educomp,aia engg,indotech n several others.but one should know when to sell n in which ipos to apply.

in 2007 we got excellent return thru vishal retail,bgr energy,allied digital,omnitech ,maytas but only when we sold .they would hv been wealth destroyers if one had still held on like punjj lloyd n suzlon.but i also held some lemons like tanla n mic electronics.

nhpc n sjvn are good bets as they are longterm bets an they dont do any financial jugglery like their small pvt sector counter parts actally fraudsters like TANLA,MIC ELECTRONICS,STERLING BIOTECH,WOCKHARDT,ICSA,XL TELECOM,ETC ETC ETC
38. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | June 13, 2010 7:30:25 PM
Dear Natarajan,
There were several reasons why I did not apply for Stanchart
1)I was sure it will list at a discount to LSE price but not sure of the level of discount.
2)I would have applied at lower band ie 100 only.
3)Europe markets were under pressure & so were banks.So not sure where it will go.It hit 1530-1540 levels.
4)I had limited capital post my becoming agriculturist & I did not want to utilise it on an issue which I am uncertain on.
5)I utilised it to buy Tatamotors, ITC ,ICICI bank & MNM at lower levels & made more profit than I would have made with Stanchart
Finally I am utilising the profit to buy Stanchart.Even in Stanchart I have reduced my aquisition price to 99 by selling half of my shares at 105(bought at 102 & sold half at 105 means my aquisition price is 99:)).

One more point I want to make is SahranpurJi is Undisputed numero uno IPO Investor as he has made max profit in IPOs .Any body can make profits in IPOs which are subscribed heavily but for the IPOs in which retail is subscribed by less than one he has Cox,REC & Stanchart & for not much big subscription he had Jubilant,DB Corp etc.He has only Intrasoft loss(So even though I do not have any loss till now, I have decided to follow SahranpuriJi in the Issues Where retail subscription is small).I have only Cox & NMDC with heavy gains in less than one subscription.
37. VIRU PLUS |   Link |  Bookmark | June 13, 2010 12:39:13 PM
39 VICKY KALYAN

I AGREE ALL THE ANNALIST ON TV 18 CNBC AND ALL OTHER CHANNELS PROPAGATE SHARE PRICE AND SOME OPERATORS HOLD THE PRICE FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS THEN SELL OFF
36. Sarvan |   Link |  Bookmark | June 13, 2010 11:52:15 AM
This Govt. main plan is to end all retailers and aam aadmi.

Purchase only Food Articles, will be double in one years like Pulses, Rice, Vegetables, Fruits etc.

Only i have sold NHPC @ 36/- at the time of listing.
Only i have sold NTPC @ 221/- before 8 months and not applied for FPO

Only i have sold NMDC @ 401/- before 4 months and not applied for FPO.

Only i have not applied in SJVNL that only i know this Govt. is totally hungry. Yeh koi ONGC, GAIL wali Govt. nahi hai.

See, how NHPC, NMDC and NTPC are bleeding after IPO/FPO.

Becahara retail investors NHPC, NTPC and NMDC pakad ke betha hai. Ab SJVNL ka bhi............?

New has come the India has postponed to LOOT the public through Hind Copper and CIL in there LOOT program. Retailes and AAM Admi already mara hua hai because of NHPC, NMDC, NTPC, SJVNL, JP INFRA etc. and All the food items increased.

Mere watan ke logo jara aankh me bhar lo paani...

India ko ab ek Mahatma Gandhia or Sardar Patel Chaiye jo ki Hum jaise Aam Aadmi or Retailers ko bacha sake.

Blindly sell NHPC, NTPC, NMDC, SJVNL, JP Infra Etc.
Indian are the people with the HIGHEST COMMON SENSE in this competetive world.
Why??
Because only INDIAN in this world can DO the following type of business:

buy Tarapur Trans @75 and Sell @48
buy Nitesh Estates @54 and Sell @35
buy Goenka Diamond @135 and Sell @95
buy Intrasoft Tech @145 and Sell @110
buy Shree Gan.Jew @260 and Sell @125
buy Pradip Overseas@110 and Sell @75
buy NMDC (Govt. PSU) @300 and Sell @270
buy Hathway Cable @240 and Sell @190
buy Emmbi Polyarns @45 and Sell @15
buy D B Realty @468 and Sell @410
buy NHPC (Govt. PSU) @ 36 and Sell @28
buy JP Infra @ 102 and sell @ 80
buy SJVN (Govt. PSU) @26 and Sell @25
buy NTPC (Govt. PSU) @ 202 and sell @ 191
buy Reliance Power @ 450 and sell @ 325/-

D.B. Realty has not LOOT @ upper band @ 480/- but he has LOOT at lower band @ 468/-.
NMDC (PSU) has not LOOT @ upper band @ 350/- but he has LOOT at lower band @ 300/-.
JP Infra has not LOOT @ upper band @ 117/- but he has LOOT at lower band @ 102/-.
SJVNL (PSU) has LOOT @ upper band, everyone knows what happens.
Similarly in all other IPO (Idiot Public Offer) and FPO (Fool Public Offer)

Retail investor already mara hua hi, NHPC, NTPC, NMDC, SJVNL jaise psu gidh ke tarah noch rahi hi, ab 25% kay chakar may 180 psu khoon ki 1,1 bood pe laygay. SAAVDHAAN, HOSHIYAAR! Jisko atmhatya nahi karni ho karpya IPO/FPO (Idiot/Fool) me paisa bahi lagaye.
35. akka |   Link |  Bookmark | June 12, 2010 7:46:53 PM
dear vicky kalyan,good to see your posting..really u r having that ..EXTRA...ordinary sense that u can write such a wonderfull thinking in such short posting..thanks do keep sharing your view on this board
34. vicky, kalyan |   Link |  Bookmark | June 12, 2010 4:25:03 PM
Ravi, Bangalore,

In a country where 80% people are cheat, you really need to have sharp brain & good luck to choose good stocks. People like "Narayan Murthy sir" are very few. Even "TATA" group is loyal and honest.

Buy-&-Hold strategy can be applied successfully with a diversified portfolio. You will always find a rotten apple in a basket. Even warren buffet has made many mistakes in investing, Still he is number one with applyng simple logic. Even if half of the portfolio is of good stocks, we will get amazing returns in long-term. If you would have invested in satyam, wipro & Infosys with same proportion you would still have been happy with returns.

Its you who will decide when you should exit your investments. Mr buffet keeps it forever, you can keep for 20-30 years according to your requirement.

Sometimes, What buffet does is he buys the company which is in temporary trouble. If you would have taken the risk with satyam around rs 10-15 or when united western bank was at rs 7 couple of years ago, you would have got handsome returns.

You can also use 100 minus your age factor while investing in equities, or can go for SIP in a well diversified good historical returns fund. REC was at 72 last year and is at 300 now. Even the company is gorwing on dividend front (6.5 rs this year)

I know analyst like shankar sharma, tulsyan, matthew are all cheat. "One should only have less than 10% amoount invested in small and mid cap"

MR WARREN BUFFET IS AN ORDINARY MAN WITH EXTRAORDINARY TALENT.

The difference between ordinary and extraordinary is that little EXTRA.
33. K.K.Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | June 12, 2010 10:01:08 AM
What happened to Talwalkars page? We are not able to post messages now. Whatever message was originally posted disappeared for a few days and then returned. Even in moneycontrol there are no messages.
32. bj |   Link |  Bookmark | June 12, 2010 9:09:25 AM
Where is gem ipo finder?
31. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | June 11, 2010 8:02:56 PM
US Consumer confidence has come better than expected.So Dow may not fall 200 as such.
30. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | June 11, 2010 6:57:34 PM
I expect a 200 points fall on Dow today hence Stanchart price may reach 99 on Monday.
29. BROKERS LOOT |   Link |  Bookmark | June 11, 2010 2:42:45 PM
PARABOLIC ISSUE IS WORTH APPLYING AT RS 85 REMEMBER LUPIN SOME 10 YEARS BACK IT WAS AN USELESS COMPANY IN TERMS OF INVESTMENTS QUOTING RS 50 TO 75 WHEN IT USED TO GO UP BY 15% AFTER SOME DAY WE USED TO FIND IT IS DOWN 20% AND SO ON TODAY THE SAME COMPANY IS QUOTING RS 1872 AND HIT AN HIGH OF RS 1900 TODAY SEE IT DOWN RS 27 ON THE SAME DAY AFTER HITTING HIGH BROKER MAY NOT ADVICE TO INVEST BUT SEE HOW QIB AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTE INVEST RS 5 ON LISTING GAINS
28. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | June 11, 2010 2:39:27 PM
Tulsian Mahaprabhu ki analysis pad lo bhaiyya,

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Too many side effects


Parabolic Drugs, is entering the capital markets on 14th June 2010, to raise Rs. 200 crores, by fresh issue of equity shares and offer for sale of 20.26 lakh equity shares, in the price band of Rs. 75 to 85 per share. For the first time, an issue will have different closing dates; 16th June for QIBs and 17th June for the retail and HNI category.



Based on the price discovered, there will be a fresh issue of 2.15 - 2.46 crore equity shares of Rs. 10 each, enabling the company to raise Rs. 183 - 185 crore. Fresh issue will result in 37%-40% dilution on the expanded equity. The offer for sale by two private equity (PE) investors is a mere 8% of the total issue size.



The company, manufacturing active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) and providing contract research and manufacturing services (CRAMS), plans to establish new facilities for widening the product portfolio and undertake R&D activities, besides repayment of loans and general corporate purposes, through the IPO proceeds.



In the balance sheet, as on 31st December 2009, there is no capital work-in-progress nor have any funds been deployed towards the object of the issue, till 31st March 2010. All funds will be deployed in FY11 and FY12, benefits of which will accrue only from FY12 onwards.



The consolidated balance sheet, as on 31st December 2009, shows huge debts (secured and unsecured) of Rs.367 crores, on networth of Rs.112 crores, resulting in a debt to equity ratio of 3.3. Through the IPO proceeds, the company will make part pre-payment of the secured loans to the extent of Rs.38.8 crores. However, balance Rs.264.3 crores of secured loans will be subject to interest rate risks, as they are linked to floating rates of interest. One wonders, if the company is compelled to take the IPO route, to fund its expansion, since it is constrained to further leverage its balance sheet?



For 9 months ended 31st December 2009, the company reported sales of Rs.346 crores and EBITDA of Rs.62 crores and PAT of Rs.21.4 crores. Annualised EPS for FY10 is estimated at Rs.7.75 per share, resulting in P/E multiple of 9.7 times on lower end and 11 times on the higher end of the price band. Companies in the same sector like Nectar Life and Dishman, which are also bigger in size and having better margins, are presently ruling at PE multiples of 8 to 12 times. Thus the IPO does not leave much on the table (read listing gains) for retail investors. Even the price-to-book ratio of 2.5 to 2.8 times is quite high.



During financial year ended 31st March 2009 and 9 months ended 31st December 2009, the company incurred forex losses to the tune of Rs.4.7 crores and Rs.5.6 crores respectively, due to uncovered positions in the foreign exchange market.



The inventory, as on 31st December 2009, was Rs.230 crores, representing 6 months of sales. Likewise, the debtors of Rs.157 crores, as on that day, represent over 4 months of sales. This shows that the company has not been utilizing its current assets efficiently.



In January 2010, the company had placed 4 lakh equity shares of Rs.10 each with Kyodo International, Japan at Rs.100 per share, as part of marketing strategy for new geography. This placement, though made at a higher price, is very tiny and not material.



Better companies are available at attractive valuations in the secondary market. Also, off late, investors have got disenchanted with the primary market offerings and hence under the circumstances, best to give this issue a complete miss!


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27. Ankit |   Link |  Bookmark | June 11, 2010 10:29:23 AM
If investors have lost money in previous IPO, it doesn't mean they will loose money in forthcoming IPOs as well.

To begin with Parabloic Issue is very cheap compared to any issue in the recent time or compared even to the sector and the industry in which it operates.

9 months EPS of the Company for FY. 2010 is around 6.8 which translates Annualised EPS of around 9. The price band of IPO is 75 - 85 as such the IPO is priced at a P/E of 8 - 9 which I feel has been the cheapeast off late. Also Pharma sector has beent he evergreen sector through out.

As such I personally feel we must invest in the IPO. There is always certain amount of risk but if you can't bear the risk I would suggest Equity Markets are not meant for you. Cheers !!
26. sandeep |   Link |  Bookmark | June 10, 2010 10:24:34 PM
ipo fail hai do not invest
25. m.k. |   Link |  Bookmark | June 10, 2010 8:37:05 PM
Parabolic Drugs IPO price band at 75-85 rupees/share
24. m.k. |   Link |  Bookmark | June 10, 2010 8:34:50 PM
Parabolic Drugs IPO price band at 75-85 rupees/share