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370. AshishJoshi |   Link |  Bookmark | September 8, 2009 1:05:11 AM
What is cutoff price of this Oil india IPO
which i need to fill up in online web portal of reliance money?
Plz Help?
369. Manoj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 8, 2009 12:50:22 AM
From Equity Master....

Concluding remarks
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Oil India has in place reserves with low operating costs. However, the company is not as aggressive as its peers in acquiring exploration licences due to which its growth prospects are comparatively weaker. On comparing Oil India with its peer ONGC, it becomes clear that the issue is not really cheap at around Rs 1,943 m per million tonne of oil equivalent (MTOE) as compared to ONGC's Rs 1,874 m per MTOE.


Oil India's comparative analysis
(FY09 data) Oil India ONGC
Million tonnes of oil equivalent (2P ) 130 1,344
Sales (Rs m) 72,007 1,045,694
Operating margins 39.44% 40.69%
Return on equity 23.80% 22.50%
Valuations*
Market price 1,050 1,178
Price to earnings (based on FY09 EPS) 11.3 12.73
Price to book value (based on FY09 book value) 2.7 2.9
Market capitalisation (Rs bn) 253 2,519
Market cap per MTOE (Rs m) 1,943 1,874

* Valuations and related data for Oil India assumed at a higher offer price of Rs 1,050 per share
Note: 7.9 barrels of crude oil = 1 tonne of equivalent (TOE); 1,125 cubic meters of natural gas = 1 TOE
Source: Oil India IPO prospectus, ONGC's Analyst presentation, Equitymaster Research
We believe the Oil India IPO does not offer any margin of safety in terms of valuations at the upper end of the offer price and hence, is not attractive. As such, we recommend you to ‘Avoid' the IPO.

368. HELLOIPO |   Link |  Bookmark | September 8, 2009 12:48:19 AM
HELLO IPO RAJA
PL COMMENT FOR OIL INDIA
367. manoj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 8, 2009 12:48:13 AM
From Equity Master....

Oil India Limited



Company background:
Business
Oil India is the second largest national oil and gas company in India after ONGC as measured by total proved plus probable (2P) oil and natural gas reserves and production. During FY09, The company's production amounted to around 25 m barrels of oil and around 2.3 bn cubic meters of natural gas. That amounted to around 10.4% and 7% of India's total production of crude oil and natural gas, respectively.

All of the company's oil reserves, as well as 94% of its natural gas reserves, are located onshore in the Upper Assam basin in Assam and Arunachal Pradesh. It also has natural gas reserves in the Jaisalmer basin in Rajasthan. As of March 31, 2009, the company's 2P crude oil reserves were around 575 m barrels and 2P natural gas reserves were around 63 bn cubic meters. It also has 40% participating interest in the crude oil reserves in the Kharsang fields in the Assam-Arakan basin in Arunachal Pradesh.

Oil India also owns and operates a 1,157 kilometer cross-country crude oil pipeline. It also has interest in downstream activities through a 26% equity stake in NRL (Numaligarh Refinery Ltd), a 10% equity stake in BPCL and a 23% equity stake in DNP (Duliajan Numaligarh Pipeline) Limited.

Key management personnel
Mr. N.M. Borah, 57 years, is the Chairman and Managing Director of Oil India. He holds a bachelor's degree in petroleum engineering from the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad and also holds a post graduate diploma in petroleum prospecting and reservoir evaluation from the Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway. He has over 35 years of experience in the oil and gas exploration and production industry. He also currently holds the additional charge of Director (Operations) of Oil India.

Mr. T.K. Ananth Kumar, aged 56 years, is Oil India's Director (Finance). He holds a bachelor's degree in commerce from Osmania University and is also a Chartered Accountant. He has 28 years of experience in the oil and petroleum industry. Prior to joining Oil India, he was the Director (Finance) of NRL for over three years and was with HPCL for 22 years. At Oil India, he is in charge of financial management and the strategic management of the Company.

Mr. B.N. Talukdar, aged 54 years, is Oil India's Director (Exploration and Development). He holds a bachelor's degree in technology (petroleum engineering) from the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad. He has over 32 years of experience in the oil and petroleum industry. He heads all exploration, development, reservoir management and well construction management activities in the South Bank region.

Reasons to apply
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Existing high quality reserves: Upstream oil and gas is a risky business and there is no certainty that exploration activities will result in discoveries. Hence, existing reserves provide a degree of certainty for the investor.

As of March 31, 2009, the company's proved plus probable (2P) crude oil reserves were around 575 m barrels and 2P natural gas reserves were around 63 bn cubic meters. All of the company's oil reserves, as well as 94% of its natural gas reserves, are located onshore in the Upper Assam basin in Assam and Arunachal Pradesh. This basin has been in continuous production since 1889. All of Oil India's reserves consist of sweet crude.

Low finding and lifting costs: Oil India's reserves are located onshore and it has infrastructure it has installed over decades. As a result, it has low finding and lifting costs when compared to new players who have to explore in extremely difficult terrains. Moreover, it benefits from low interest expense and relatively high use of in-house services in place of more expensive third-party contractors.

Experience in handling ageing fields: As of now, oil and natural gas production in India is derived mainly from ageing and depleting fields. As an experienced player, Oil India uses oil recovery techniques at an earlier stage in the life of its oil fields to achieve maximum recovery from its reserves. As a result, the company has maintained production rates in its fields in the last three decades.

Exploration area in producing basins: An upstream oil and gas company must explore for additional reserves as it goes along producing from existing ones. Hence, the location and size of the exploration area that a company has determines the prospect for growth in reserves for the company. Oil India's petroleum exploratory licenses (PELs) cover acreage in the Upper Assam and Assam-Arakan basin, the Krishna-Godavari basin and the Rajasthan basin. All these basins have commercial production or known accumulation of hydrocarbons.

Reasons not to apply
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Valuations not attractive: Instead of applying for Oil India's IPO, the investor has the choice of buying the shares of its peer ONGC from the secondary market. Hence, we must compare their relative valuations. On comparing Oil India with ONGC, it becomes clear that the issue is not really cheap at around Rs 1,943 m per million tonne of oil equivalent (MTOE) as compared to ONGC's Rs 1,874 m per MTOE. As such, we believe the Oil India IPO does not offer any margin of safety in terms of valuations at the upper end of the offer price.

Not aggressive in acquiring exploration area: Oil India has not been as aggressive in obtaining exploration area as its other upstream counterparts. It has pursued a selective bidding strategy in the past seven rounds of NELP auctions in India and intends to continue doing so in the future rounds. As of June 30, 2009 Oil India holds petroleum exploratory licenses (PELs) as operator covering an area of around 26,660 square kilometers. It has a participating interest as non-operator covering an area of 88,205 square kilometers. It also has participating interest in 41,273 square kilometers of exploration acreages in Egypt, Gabon, Iran, Libya, Nigeria, Timor Leste and Yemen.

As a result, increase in Oil Inida's reserves might grow at a slower rate as compared to other upstream companies in the future.

Financial Performance
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Profit & Loss Data (Rs m) FY05 FY06 FY07 FY08 FY09

Net sales 39,276 56,613 54,765 61,185 72,007

% Growth 44.1% -3.3% 11.7% 17.7%

Operating expenditure 22,415 30,049 32,485 37,372 43,607

EBIDTA 16,861 26,564 22,280 23,812 28,400

EBIDTA margin (%) 42.9% 46.9% 40.7% 38.9% 39.4%

Other income 1,904 3,639 5,335 6,770 9,372

Depreciation 2,295 3,314 2,595 3,093 3,768

Interest 167 162 140 344 87

Other income as % of sales 4.85% 6.43% 9.74% 11.06% 13.02%

Profit before tax 16,304 26,728 24,881 27,145 33,916

Tax 5,615 9,845 8,426 9,245 12,253

Effective tax rate 34% 37% 34% 34% 36%

Profit after tax after adjustments 10,808 18,371 15,404 17,796 22,309

% Growth 70.0% -16.2% 15.5% 25.4%

Net profit margins (%) 27.5% 32.5% 28.1% 29.1% 31.0%

Fully diluted EPS (Rs) * 44.9 76.4 64.0 74.0 92.8

Balance Sheet Data (Rs m)

Equity 46,620 59,216 68,200 79,046 93,870

Debt/Loans 2,812 2,950 8,140 1,749 565

Debt to equity 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.0

Return on equity 23.2% 31.0% 22.6% 22.5% 23.8%

Dividend payout 36.0% 35.2% 41.5% 38.7% 34.2%


Concluding remarks
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Oil India has in place reserves with low operating costs. However, the company is not as aggressive as its peers in acquiring exploration licences due to which its growth prospects are comparatively weaker. On comparing Oil India with its peer ONGC, it becomes clear that the issue is not really cheap at around Rs 1,943 m per million tonne of oil equivalent (MTOE) as compared to ONGC's Rs 1,874 m per MTOE.

Oil India's comparative analysis
(FY09 data) Oil India ONGC
Million tonnes of oil equivalent (2P ) 130 1,344
Sales (Rs m) 72,007 1,045,694
Operating margins 39.44% 40.69%
Return on equity 23.80% 22.50%
Valuations*
Market price 1,050 1,178
Price to earnings (based on FY09 EPS) 11.3 12.73
Price to book value (based on FY09 book value) 2.7 2.9
Market capitalisation (Rs bn) 253 2,519
Market cap per MTOE (Rs m) 1,943 1,874

* Valuations and related data for Oil India assumed at a higher offer price of Rs 1,050 per share
Note: 7.9 barrels of crude oil = 1 tonne of equivalent (TOE); 1,125 cubic meters of natural gas = 1 TOE
Source: Oil India IPO prospectus, ONGC's Analyst presentation, Equitymaster Research
We believe the Oil India IPO does not offer any margin of safety in terms of valuations at the upper end of the offer price and hence, is not attractive. As such, we recommend you to ‘Avoid' the IPO.
366. o.p.kalra |   Link |  Bookmark | September 8, 2009 12:01:28 AM
have patience and avoid this highly priced oil india ipo to teach a lesson to the promotors or lose your hard earned money
365. Need Suggestion |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 11:44:18 PM
kya bolte ho dosto laga do paise kya is IPO mein???
Pls suggest
364. raaga |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 11:29:40 PM
HiPRAKASH & Coachipo,

Thanks for your detailed explanation.
363. Indraneel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 10:50:04 PM
@Prakash(362)

Thanx for this lucid explanation.Even i had a doubt about dis.
362. PRAKASH |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 9:23:07 PM
Hi raaga@342,

I am surprised that no one answered your query till now!!
If you have bid at Rs 1000 and the co fixes the price at Rs 975, you will also be allotted shares at Rs 975 only.There is no way they can allot you at Rs 1000 as against the rest of the universe.Don't worry.
But the better option is to apply at cut off, which means you are prepared to accept shares at whatever may be the price within the price band of Rs 950 to 1050.

If you applied at Rs 1000 and they decide to allot shares at even Rs 1005 you will not get even 1 share.

You will get refund accordingly.

Regards and all the best
361. JAGDISH |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 8:54:14 PM
This oil India originally was supposed to be given at 450 God knows how the ikssue prices are being doubled and retailers are fooled
360. DEVRAJ GUPTA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 8:45:19 PM
This IPO is not worth for apply, Rates are very high No listing gains
359. raj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 8:42:34 PM
grey market premium has dropped to 30rs
358. madhu |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 8:42:27 PM
hi,

when ipos list below the issue price those connected with its issue ask investors to invest for long time. the suggestion is that in future the price will be higher. they have charged a higher price considering the price of the issue after 2-3 years.
can anybody guarantee that the price of a share in future will be higher. never. the higher price in future is only a possibility and not a reality. overpricing issues on the basis of a possibility is not correct practice.
can anybody sell future at present.
suppose i am selling a calf. in future i know it will become a cow. will you give the price of a cow when you buy a calf from me . never. i am entitled to get the price of a calf only . in the same way overpricing on the basis of future expected price is a bad practice.
357. Kamal |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 8:15:05 PM
Beware. These QIBs as per SEBI guidelines, anytime before the closure of IPO issue, can withdraw.
I wish this issue fail like Emaar MGM.
Then only this greedy government will learn lesson.
356. madhu |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 8:08:55 PM

dear all,

Surely the oil india ipo is also overpriced when we compare with the market price of ongc. but it is a good ipo. i think it will be available at a lower price after listing.

broking houses are asking people to buy it. i think we can trust the market more than lead managers and broking houses. in the market price is determined competitively by supply and demand forces. but in the case of an ipo it is determined in a monopolistic way by the people who issue it.

My policy is to buy it after listing. even if the price is higher there is no problem because it shows the actual market value of the stock.
355. Sunit Sethia |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 7:56:53 PM
Retail segment subscribe .05 time on day one. so we can expect that it will subscribe 5.25-5.50 in retail segment. HNI subscripson is less but till the end of the issue it will also subscribe 22-25 times.
354. g c jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 7:19:21 PM
what happened with oil india ipo. any body call me
353. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 6:47:21 PM
Various Brokerage Houses & print media advising to SUBSCRIBE with medium-term (6 - 9 months horizon). Analysts arguing that valuation gap between ONGC & Oil India will reduce in medium-term.

Unlike Adani Power & NHPC IPOs, it appears some value left on table.

Issue size is smaller than NHPC & Adani Power. Thus more demand & less supply compared to NHPC & Adani Power.
352. Ashok |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 5:42:31 PM
I think can apply @950..If allotment happens.fine..otherwise forget..
351. nitin |   Link |  Bookmark | September 7, 2009 4:41:48 PM
Any body tell me OIL apply or not because I am allready not sell my NHPC share