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150. Srini |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2010 7:01:55 AM (400+ Posts)
Dear 149. soumnath,

You are wrong, GMP is right, indosolor is in dicount when listing done, tirupathi has GMP of 7-8 and it went from 43 to 60 above, microsec also have some premium of around 20Rs. and it went from 118 to 142, what else you are expecting, so GMP is right, please analyze before putting any message on board.
149. soumnath |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2010 1:07:52 AM
All investors should learn from the false declaration of GMP for indosolar, tirupati aur microsec. So nobody have any faith on GMP now. Pls do not misguide poor investord like this any more by all IPO & market analyst.

Thanks.
148. IPOANALYSIS |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 11:33:05 PM
I WOULD AGAIN ADVICE MY DEAR FREINDS TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS IPO.

IF YOU KNOW MUMBAI REALITY PRICES ARE AT A PEAK AND KAMATH HAS ALREADY TOLD THERE IS A BIG CORRECTION GOING TO HAPPEN IN MUMBAI PROPERTY PRICES SOON. THERE IS A BUBBLE IN MUMBAI REALITY PRICES WHICH IS GOING TO BURST.

ALSO BIGGER COMPANIES LIKE HDIL(MUMBAI),DLF(GURGAON),PARSVNATH(PAN IND INDIA PRESENCE),SOBHA(SOUTH) ARE ALL IN DUMPS SO WHY NOT ENTER
THEM WHICH HAVE UTILSED MONEY AND CAN GIVE BETTER GAINS IN LONG TERM.

I AM STAYING AWAY AND IT CAN EASILY GO TO DISCOUNT ON LISTING.
IT IS A LARGE ISSUE OF 1000 CRORE SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR COAL IPO INSTEAD.

EVEN IF IT SUBSCRIBED 100 TIMES I WILL STAY AWAY AS IT DOES NOT SOUND GOOD TO ME EVEN ON FUNDAMENTALS AND TECHNICAL.
147. Chem cho |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 11:15:31 PM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2500+ Posts, 2700+ Likes)
i personally feel that if the issue was good then why oberoi were hiding to come out of the issue in month of april to june their approal was recived by sebi in month of march /april for the ipo listing
reality prices have totally peaked in mumbai
most of the good ipo like micro ,eros have not done well inspite of the grey market premium
appling for 1 lakh is very risky and that to in lots of familiy members as you are likely to get allotment
also due to ASBA THE cost for investors has come down
i personally will apply with my family members for 60 shares each
due to coal india again this time lic gic and financial institude will sell shares of good companies like sbi L&T RELIANCE, GRASIM HDFC HDFC BANK ICICI BANK ETC I HAVE NAMED FEW
THE CIBA LAND AT GOREGON IS MOSTLY ALL SOLD OUT AND DEVELOPMENT COMPLETED WITH HIGH RISE BULINDING AND MALL
RISK IS HIGH PROFIT IS LOW
BE CARE FULL
LAST BUT THE LEAST COMMENT WHICH YOU MAY NOT LIKE IS THAT WHEN PRABHUDHAS LILADHAR RECOMDS THIS ISSUE PL STAY AWAY MY 40 YEARS EXPERINCE SAYS THAT
GOOD BYE
146. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 10:00:46 PM
131..anonymous ...yar mane rajkot na broker no mobile no. mali sake je greymarket ma applications accept kareto hoy.plaase yar...
145. Sj |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 9:34:47 PM (400+ Posts)
What do experts, brokerages say about Oberoi Realty IPO?

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Mumbai-based Oberoi Realty's initial public offering of 395.62 lakh equity shares opened for subscription today.

The real estate developer is focused on premium developments and on residential projects and aims to raise Rs 1,000 crore through the IPO.

The IPO has received commitment of Rs 185.15 crore from investors as against allotment of 71,21,160 equity shares at Rs 260 a share, at higher end of price band of Rs 253-260 a share on Tuesday.

Morgan Stanley holds 10.76% stake in the company and currently it is a zero debt company.

Experts were mixed in their opinions while brokerage houses recommended subscribing the issue. Everyone agreed that the issue is highly priced. Investment Advisor, SP Tulsian feels that valuation of Oberoi Realty IPO is very expensive. However, Manish Bhatt of Prabhudas Lilladher has recommended subscribing the issue. "The issue looks good though it is slightly high priced," he said.

Brokerage houses like Edelweiss, Angel Broking and IIFL has advised subscribing the issue though the issue is fairly priced.

While explaining Tulsian said, "They have about 10 million sq ft ongoing projects, of which about 2 million sq ft has been sold by the company for close to about Rs 2,200 crore. So, they will be receiving huge amount from that because their Andheri East project of about 1.2-1.3 million sq ft is ready for handing over the possession in the month of December 2010, which the management has said in the RHP and confirmed that they are sticking to their delivery schedule. So, they will be having good cash flow coming. If I take total construction expenses on 8 million sq ft, as I said there are total 10 million sq ft, of ongoing projects of which you knock off this 1.5-2 million, you are left with 8 million sq ft. I don’t think that you need Rs 1,000 crore money, on which are scheduled to be completed by 2013-14."

"If I take valuation call of Rs 8,500 crore, which company will be having the market cap with a land bank of close to about 20 million sq ft. And when you compare this maybe with DB Realty or HDIL who have larger presence in Bombay, I don’t think that Rs 260 or maybe even the lower band deserves the kind of valuations. Because the DB Realty today is ruling at a market cap of close to Rs 10,000 crore, HDIL is ruling at a market cap of Rs 11,300 crore. I agree that they have certain debts in their books, but even the EV compared to Oberoi Realty is quite low, when you go with strict comparison."

CNBC-TV18’s Managing Editor Udayan Mukherjee says the business looks pretty okay because most of their land banks seem to be around Mumbai suburban area and the rates are very strong out there, demand is pretty good. “A lot of institutional guys who want a large chunk of a Mumbai player will probably be interested in Oberoi Realty. It might be slightly on the expensive side, but the business is quiet robust, so there should not be a major problem.”

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Experts give thumbs-up to Oberoi Realty IPO

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In an interview with CNBC-TV18’s Latha Venkatesh and Anuj Singhal, Bhaskar Chakraborthy, real estate analyst at IIFL and Param Desai, research analyst at Angel Broking, gave their views on whether one should subscribe on Oberoi Realty IPO.

Below is a verbatim transcript of the interview. Also watch the video.

Q: Would you rate a "Subscribe" on this? Do you think the prices are fair value?

Chakraborthy: We have recommended our investors to subscribe to the issue with hint that the issue is very fairly priced and the important thing here is that the company has only 20 million square feet of land bank, which can be monetised in just about five to six years. The NAV in this case is very front-ended compared to many other real estate companies in India, which have much larger land banks and hence backended NAVs.

Q: You also have a "Subscribe" on this issue and you are NAV for the company is at about Rs 295 a share. So you expect the company to post some listing gains on day one?

Desai: We have remained a “Subscribe” from a long term perspective. The company has a strong brand which ensures timely execution and quality infrastructure and this brand also helps them to achieve premium pricing vis-à-vis the other developers in the same vicinity and as Bhaskar said this NAV is quite front ended and our assumptions of the NAV is around Rs 10,000 per square feet selling assumption. So we do expect listing from 10% to 15%.

Q: There is a charge that the land bank is of not very high quality. It’s largely in the Mumbai suburbs and therefore perhaps whatever gains you can give the company in the next year or so is already in the price?

Desai: I do agree. The land bank is quite smaller as compared to other listed players and it would be a challenging task to the company to reinvest is the free cash flow and replenish its current land bank sustainable basis. But having said that they do have a land bank of 20 million square feet, which gives execution visibility around 6 to 7 years.

Q: The management has clarified today morning in an interview to us that they wouldn’t be buying land at very premium valuations. But would you have any kind of concerns because land prices have gone up quite significantly—anything that they buy right now would anyway be expensive?

Chakraborthy: I don’t. A case in point is the two textile mill lands that were auctioned in Worli recently. The company participated in both of them and they were among the lowest bidders. They sort of topped the sheet from the bottom which means that they will only buy piece of land at their price while they think the economics are right and that’s what they have done in the past also which is visible in the kind of profitability they have been reporting—the strong operating cash flows that they have.

They have been operating cash flow positive even in FY09, which was the toughest year for all realtors across the country. The management has been very judicious in the past and we don’t see that changing now with the fund raising.

Q: The Mumbai realty companies have not been able to do as well as the other realty companies on the secondary markets. Why would you want to pay a premium to an IPO like this compared to the listed stocks especially the Mumbai realty stocks?

Desai: As I said this company is a debt free company which is quite differentiating from other listed players. There is a strong brand name. They have been in the Mumbai markets since 1983. They have been executing the project on time. The infrastructure is of quality and they are getting a premium pricing vis-à-vis other developers in the vicinity. The IPO is also fairly priced—it’s 15% discount to our one year NAV.

Q: What would be your projections for FY11 on both the top line and the bottom line?

Chakraborthy: We think the company will be registering a 24% EPS CAGR over the next two years and it is reasonably predictable because lot of the inventory is already presold now if they go ahead with construction they will be able to collect those payments and that earnings are almost in the bag. So that s a very comfortable position to be with. That’s why it’s a very good hold for the medium-term.

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AS I SAID IN MY IPO ANALYSIS FIRST TIME WHEN SOMEONE ASKED ME AFTER PRICE BAND CAME OUT ON SUNDAY

SUBSCRIBE FOR LONG TERM SAY 6 MONTHS TO 1 YEAR

LISTING GAINS CAN BE NOT THAT EXCITING

SO GO FOR LONG TERM

YOU CAN ALSO ADD

INDIABULLS REAL ESTATE TARGET 250 6 MONTHS

I HAD ADVICED TO KK AND SHREEDHAR AT 175 ODD

SHREEDHAR HAS ENTERED AT 160 ODD

MY CLIENTS ENTERED AT 162 ODD


Regards

Setu
144. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 9:24:05 PM
can anyone tell the lot size
143. Ipofinder |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 9:15:05 PM
Hi everyone,
Please stay away from this IPO

(a)very very less activity in grey market current GMP 9 Rs
(b) Probability of having full 1 lac allotment is very high(which makes the operator active to provide huge losses)
(c) current listings are the example, where Eros/Micro/Tirupati were subscribed more than 1o times and having the size of 100 to 350 crore
If 100 crore IPO can have this result then what will be the fate of 1000 crore IPO
(d) Last 2 IPOs from real state
DB realty :- Made the low of around 15 % below the issue price
Nitesh estates:- Made the low of around 15 % below the issue price

(e) Currently the retailers are out of secondary market that's why the market is daily going high and high. retailers are trying to enter thru primary market, that's why the IPO are not giving much returns despite of secondary market going up

(f) It will get listed when the Coal India IPO will come, everyone will try to sell, then who will buy this

Please avoid this IPO.
Moral:-To protect the capital is more important than to earn money
142. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 9:01:32 PM (500+ Posts)
In my previous post Please read As BS Transcomm, not as BT Transcom.
141. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 8:56:53 PM (500+ Posts)
@Ravi, Bangalore,
I would greatly appreciate your views on Oberoi and BT transcom. Also please let me know about Ramky, which is going to be allotted fully. I don't want to incur heavy loss in Ramky.
140. DINU |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 8:24:54 PM
hi everyone and particularly the website owner,

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I hope the moderators of this website would understand the value of this proper monitoring & act in the right direction.
139. Rushikesh pandya |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 6:19:36 PM
Capital market rating 43

"Despite a modest land bank, asks a steep price on the strength of its brand, strong balance sheet, and ability to scale up"

Valuation

Consolidated sales for the fiscal ended March 2010 was up by 77% to Rs 805.50 crore and the net profit was up 81% to Rs 457.62 crore. Thus, the EPS for FY 2010 was Rs 13.9. The PE at the offer price band of 253-260 works out to 18.2-18.7 times. In comparison some of the Mumbai focused realty players such as HDIL, Orbit Corporation. DB Realty and Godrej Properties quote at a PE of 20.3 times, 15 times, 39.6 times and 42.5 times of their FY 2010 consolidated earnings, respectively. While HDIL focuses on large- scale slum rehabilitation projects, Godrej Properties works largely on joint development.

Oberoi Realty's price to Book Value (on the upper price band of Rs 260) pre-IPO is 3.9 times but post issue it works out to 2.9 times. In comparison the Price/ Book Value of Orbit Corp, DB Realty, HDIL and Godrej Properties is 1.6 times, 3.2 times, 1.6 times and 6.2 times.
138. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 6:13:04 PM
PLEASE CURRENT GRAY MARKET PRICE & RATING BY CRISIL AND LOT OF SHARE FOR OBEROI REALTY & BS TRANSCOM PLEASE DETAIL BY CHITTORGARH.COM & EXPERT IPO
137. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 6:03:28 PM
Some persons are using Third grade language, showing how smart they are ?
Website owners should restrict such comments , to save there creditability
136. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 4:21:16 PM
Can any one tell GMP for OBEROI
135. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 4:09:20 PM
Hey ! All B careful from All indian real Estate IPO isues! all r artificially created, self styled! Your hard earned money can disappear in seconds. Most of the unsuccessful business enterprises turned themselves into real estate to grab public money with the help of loose policies of SEBI and Goverment of India. KEEP YOURSLEF AWAY FROM THESE IPO.
134. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 2:14:51 PM (300+ Posts)
130. KK Natarajan

Go by HDFC analysis for real-estate sector stocks. HDFC is specialist in real-estate sector analysis.

Do you know? Even many expert analysts don't know how to analyse real-estate stocks.
133. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 12:46:52 PM
Mr. Oberoi will takeout the profits that you have made in career point IPO. Be careful withi IPO.

Rama
132. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 11:50:40 AM
NSE Site: BS Transcomm subscribed 0.25 times,

Oberoi realty subscribed 0.01 times as of now.
131. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2010 10:17:03 AM
ISSUSE SIZE IS TOOOOOO MUCH & PRICE ALOS OHTER THATN LISTED COMPANY
KOSTAK Rs. 1800 APPLY & SELL IN KISTAK-----

SHAILESH