FSN E-Commerce Ventures Limited IPO Message Board (Page 29)

Yes.....Only ASBA!

Through UPI you''ll get the mandate on Monday only.

Ya definitely you can apply on weekends also, I applied many times multiple retail applications from many banks on weekends, it will go to exchange on Monday when banks submit that.

Thik hai
Lekin sari trade ugor stop loss lagake koroge to paisa wohi kha jayega.

Better have fund allocation strategy in advance if you are applying under HNI. It''s natural tendency everyone to apply in the first ipo with full force and later may not have enough funds to apply in much profitable IPOs that give overall better profits

For sure you will get good opportunities in secondary market. Save some amount to catch those opportunities as well.

BTW, PGinvit dividend is close by, which can give atleast 5% return as dividend, another 5% return on stock price in next 2 weeks.

absolutely agree.. the 1 crore cap rule by RBI is also another super good news for Self-Funded HNI''s...

@iamnimitshah, @M.K,
appreciated about the information on higher interest rates for HNI funding. really good news for the self funded.
Could you please elabaorate on 1 crore cap rule by RBI?

Thanks

@MRavi: 1 crore cap in hni funding is applicable from next year. Below is the news

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/rbi-caps-nbfc-ipo-funding-at-rs-one-crore-per-borrower-from-fy23/articleshow/87216686.cms?

50:50 % is not first time.
in past also there were revenue % share in between railway and IRCTC like
100%
80:20%
50:50%
before listing

When they came with IPO at that time it was 100%

This was one of the risk factor when IPO launched. same was discussed by many market pandits at that time.
over the period investors forget when stock start running like hell.
Now people are blaming gov including news channels
no one is thinking why news channels was so bulished on this stock from last one month? not only gov is part of this game plan, news channels are also behind this.

Nothing new, that''s why no-one trust on psu stocks
By the way, 500 is good level to buy again

After listing ,
It should be managed professionally.
Even they should take minority shareholders in to consideration and confidence

No.1-why it was decided?
No 2-if decided then why rollback?

Railway has major shares
If they want money they can earn lion share in terms of dividend
Why this type of drama
Who created it
Who played it

Disc.
No personal holdings

@harit...

People who scripted this drama, made a lot of money...

Dont scapegoat"Babus", Harit sir... even ministers can''t take their own decision independently, let alone babus...

I made 20k this morning and I''m happy that it happened..but it''s unethical to existing Investors . They wanted shares before results are out and they did so by buying in todays dip. Results are going to be great.
Still a buy buy buy! Signal..😂

Some heads must roll immediately for this ill conceived,ill timed,ill thought after and retrogade decision which has caused incalculable harm to investor community and has also hit so hard the disinvestment program of Govt that even LIC IPO will now get very tepid response.With one stroke of pen they have spoiled the market sentiments and even upcoming IPO,s may not sail through.

@ moster
20000 profit ye sab yaha par bata ne ki kya jarurat he

@Krupa ...to make jealous to you that why 20k

Ya i m jealous
Indirectly he gives idea of trading
Jab loss hota he trading me wo bhi likho
yaha par

I saw on another board someone said he bought 500 shares at 900 levels and panic sold at 600 levels. This stock has destroyed small investor wealth - people who entered due to false sense of security about a government company.
The timing of the news releases points to well planned defraudment of small investors
Government can forget about listing LIC at a healthy premium, also other PSU disinvestment.
Listed PSUs can get prepared to lose market cap

Hope split shares not yet credited to sell all today morning. If not, luckily damage for small investors would be lesser by 80%

@sdz: yes split shares will be credited in next 3-4 working days, so retailers cant even sell all and saved somehow to great extent

Anurup jee
Mujhe pata tha, ANIKET sir reply nahi karenge.
Pahle hi bola tha , Ye jo aajkal KHUJLEE gang active hua hai ye ek do genuine Experts ko forum chhurwake hi manegi.

Ab din bhar inki Bakbaas irctc , yes bank , aur savi muddo par sunte raho.

Galti se v Buyback ka naam liya , phir KHUJLEE start ho jayegi.

@best wishes: yahan bakwas karne ke bajaye buyback pages per jakar dekha hai? yahan post daal rha hai buyback pages per ek bhi post daali hai ?
admin ne buyback pages kyu banaye hai fir.....?

if you have seen my post, in fino payments page, i requested both kamma shiva krishna and aniket to post in buyback pages and hats off to Kamma shiva krishna rama that he is following and posting there and supporting others, even you will see mine and others posts also there if you visit, so you should ask aniket why he is not posting there instead of posting these rubbish here.

and tuje kyu khujli ho rhi hai baaki discussions se fir itni ?
dusre kuch bole to khujli and khud bole to fir wo kya ? Jab dekho tab faltu bakwas karta rehta hai.

As stated-
KHUJLEE START HO HI GAYE.
Bhai sahab ko koi bata den, secondary market k discussion k liye v separate pages hain.....
Main bataouga to ye aur jor se KHUJAYEGEN.

Again KHUJLEE started.....
Ek ek kar k gang k saare member khujayegen......
Now watching, who will be the next....

@lokes
100% agree with you, if there exists a separate section, post there, do not hijack a popular page because it has more views and participation
Temporary ban is what''s required for repeat offenders

so you should ask aniket why he is not posting there instead of posting these rubbish here......
☝☝☝
@ Lokes
Chittorgarh k Sabse decent member k liye kuch bhi rubbish likh diya....
Kuch to sharam kar lo sir jee....

If Aniketiaf sir posting rubbish here then what about your 20/30 posts which you posting per day.
No one is gaining anything or interested at you posts.

Really Disgusting behavior

@MK.. If HNI> 200x, 2nd is best or else all 3 accounts will go for lottery. Even if <200x, 2nd option may get u more shares

The second option is the best.
Why split it thrice ?
Just apply it in one and you’ll get it in proportionate basis.
Rest 2retail and if you are lucky you can get allotment.

@M.K,
first option is better to get some allotments.

thanks

I used to feel... Still feel... That applying from 1 a/c in FF and rest in retail is better ( I made an error in selecting the wrong option in my original query... Apologies... Thats what happens when you don''t proof read 🤦)

But, in Paras Defence, I applied 416 lots from 1 account and retail from 2 accounts. The allotment for the HNI was 1 out of 2... I was advised to have applied from 2 accounts as that would give me a chance of 2 out of 4...

I guess as long as the application lots exceed the number of times the issue gets subscribed comfortably, then 1 FF application is better... The rest in retail can be like a long odds lottery.

My allocation
---------------
Nykaa : HNI 200 lots from 1 single a/c & rest in RII
Sigachi : HNI 300 lots from 1 single a/c & rest in Rii
2:3 ratio

In your case I suggest 2nd option if you are planning only for Nykaa.
If you are thinking for sigachi also then go for the 1st option.

@jstm,
that''s good recommendation.

thanks

@jstm Thanks for your input.

Sigachi : I feel that it will do a Paras Defense... 300 lots also PROBABLY won''t yield any sure allotment.

2 extra lots of Nykaa will yield the same result as 1 result of Sigachi. Plus the funds will also be free for Paytm.

@MK: did you got allotment in paras in HNI from your 416 lot single HNI application ?
And here i would suggest you to for 500 lots (all 500 lot from 1 account and 2 retail application) in nykaa and 100 lots in Policy bazaar also [to have diversified allocation and PB may fetch similar returns in comparison to nykaa by fetching 2-3 lots in 100 lots]

@Noorul ji - Very Interesting, why Sigachi? I was under the impression that most members here would apply for Nykaa and PB so I would love to know your perspective.

@Noorul... Avoiding PB completely, very expensive or low GMP?

Nykaa NII >80x, Sigachi 500x?

@ niteen .. These online and tech business will come and go.. but India and pharmacy is a never ending love story.. there are various reason for this decision.. first of all amoung those 5 issue.. sigachi is the only one that comes with very reasonable valuation and left something for investor.. this small size issues always perform well more than expectation... The past record of T2T issues r blockbuster.. People not showing much interest in sigachi because of size.. its very rare to get allotment in retail.. i m going to apply in hni as its seems funded hni will target nykaa first and than Pb. No doubt Pb is a insurance giant holding big portion of industry.. but again the size of issue is much bigger that will feed the hunger of most.. I give demand and supply a top priority..
In which sigachi looks far better than pb.. and sigachi script looks a perfect dish for self funded hnis..
@ sdz. .. avoiding pb completely.. on a theory of hunting one rabbit at a time(reffer to ac).
This big size issue hve too much free float .. neither gmp gives comfort.. i m hoping that only self funded hnis will participate in sigachi..
Btw r u still in that sinking ship? How much money wiped out... Aditya birla group lost its faith in investor ..

Oh dont ask... AB became huge pain for not selling all on that week above 700 in small loss. Sold 1,109@ 685 avg and doubled bal 750 @ 620 yesterday. Now holding 1500@ 665 avg 🥴🤕

Noorul Khan...You have an uncanny knack of smelling the IPOs. I feel that your hunch, as usual, is precise even this time.
Any idea about the oversubscriptions in Retail /HNI in these two issues? Is it same like what sdz has written....

....one more thing; what about SJS, doesn''t this look good to you?

@noorul ji - Thank you for your detailed reply. I appreciate your time and respect your decision making skills. If you don''t mind, how many times over subscription are you expecting in Nykaa and Sigachi.

@sdz I''m in the sinking boat too but with just 1 lot. However pain is the same.

Dear policy bazar demand is huge. Irrespective of losses it has brand value and like Zomato, policy bazar will fire....wait n watch the subscription figure.

@amit chheda ji - @noorul ji is not denying demand in PB, what he is saying is - he is instead of chasing both, Nykaa and PB, he is going for Nykaa only. It''s his decision to chase only one horse. BTW any over subscription estimates under HNI quota for Nykaa and PB?

@noorul I too wanted to go all in the following order - Nykaa, Sigachi
But i''ve realised that Sigachi being a very small Ipo, with NII quota less than 20crs, it would be pure waste of money trying to bid for allotment....Paras i couldn''t get a lot and this being smaller i have less hope even though HNI category may be subscribed less because of heavyweights like nykaa and PB.
The main issue is nykaa closes on 1st and sigachi on 3rd and dividing money between 2 ipos is not an option for me. Sigachi looks very good for long term.

@SDZ: if hope you remember that i told you clearly on aditya birla amc page, that to get out of this on listing day itself with whatever listing gains it gives....
i told clearly it will go down in short term.

For self funded NIIs, Nykaa application amount can be used in Paytm IPO as well, if someone is interested in Paytm. PB amount most probably not.

@Noorul .. even you will be hunting for two rabbits, at first Nykaa and Paytm later.

Since Nykaa closes on 1st Nov, it will take much of the cake.
Had all 5 ipos opened and closed simultaneously, subscription figures would have been very interesting and it would have been very helpful for self-funded Hnis to arrive at a decision.

@Lokes... Not just you, many were not optimistic about the stock and still i went ahead tempting with 5% GMP and easy allotment. Surprisingly got 65% more shares in NII than expected and so waited. Good results and new IPOs shunting it further 😂

Ideally it should have been one IPO every week during last 5 weeks, when we did not had any IPO at all.

@ eklvaya , niteen.. its looks like retail will easily cross 10x. And hni will b near around 80 to 100 times.. one must go for nykaa not only it will make money but u can also use the fund for paytm.. talking about SJS no one is even talking about.. completely overshadow by these two big giants.. no gmp and complete offer for sale.. better stay away when u hve other option available..
@ Avenue.. i m hunting these two u mention but not at a same time :)
@ mog.. sigachi won''t b subscribed like paras dat i can guarantee.. with too many other ipos running. I m targeting sigachi with 270 lot.. lets see wats d outcome..
@ amit.. policy bazaar will subscribe heavily i knew it but with d fund i hve i like to go for 2 with FF... If had extra fund would hve surely applied in it.. choosing sigachi over it becaz my intuition is that sigachi will give better return on capital in compare to pb.. and for a retailer i like to suggest go for pb instead of sigachi..
Every individual is in different situation on basis of fund avability... decide according..

HNI should be < 73 as per past data

Thank you !! Noorul Ji, for enlightening us on SJS. You got a point there. So then it just boils down to Nykaa and Sigachi. At this juncture, I won''t be much interested in PB and Ptm.

In this whole thread we are missing one important gentleman....MRavichandran....
@MR.....Vanakkam. Where, on earth, are you?

Bigger HNI come only on the last Day...

@Eklavya Last I had seen Mravi was at the time of Aditya Birla sun life....he had been alloted more than 1 cr in value.....hopefully he comes back soon....Hni thread is incomplete without the king of HNIs.

@Noorul I agree to the fact that Sigachi won''t be subscribed as much as Paras but i''m still skeptical about the chances of allotment...I will decide on 1st looking at nykaa and my fund position which i don''t want to divide. As for Paytm, i''m less excited about it because i''ve never really been able to understand the company and its future prospects. If i do decide to apply, it will be purely on subsciption basis. Paytm does not deserve a price of Rs 2150 at all but then most of the ipos nowadays have the same story.

@sdz @Noorul Thank you for your insights.

@Noorul Any idea of how many lots to spilt in multiple HNI applications as suggested by you in a prev IPO board ? 100 lots per application seems a safe option or do we need to apply even more?

@Mogpunisher The valuations and craze to own a stock have no relation whatsoever. PayTM will be eagerly bought by the FIIs as these are all the new age companies. They see money being made in digital disruption. In the unlisted market PayTM shares were sold for Rs 3,700 also a couple of weeks back, even when there was no justification whatsoever to the price.

@sdz: ya many were not optimistic about listing even but i was optimistic about positive listing for atleast 5% minimum, it didnt gave 5% but listed in positive atleast.
And my main opinion which i told was that it will go down in short term after listing (no matter at what price it is listing) so even if it listed near issue price, you should have got out instead of averaging/waiting , i was sure in coming days it will go down only after listing.
Anyways we will keep learning from past to improve future decisions :)

@Eklavya,
Vanakkam. I was happily applying few SME IPO with Lokes, Noorul and few others. now I am here in the mainboard.

@Mogpunisher,
Yes, no regrets, still holding all allotted Birla AMC, will wait for 4 more quarters. (they have posted excellent results, its a matter of time. this will do well in 3-4 quarters)

good to see you all, with valuable inputs.
I will be applying in all 5. allocation depends on final day subscription figures. my maximum interest now in Nykaa, Sigachi and PB in the order of preference

Thanks

@Noorul
I''m impressed by the sheer size of your IPO gambit. My question is would not the same capital give you more returns in the secondary market. It''s irrelevant if you already have substantial long term holdings.

Biggest single day fall in markets today since April, may be RBI''s funding cap for HNI is the reason. Let''s see if this effects these exorbitant IPOs in terms of subscription figures...

@Avenue ji - HNI rule is not yet applicable, it will be applicable from 1st April 2022. But I agree some HNIs night have liquidated in secondary market to fund these IPOs.

@avenue: its just continuity of the current fall from last 1-2 week which was more severe in midcap and smallcap, since markets ran up too much recently so its profit booking without any proper reason for fall....it could have come anytime.
Atleast i dont think hni funds capping have any logic in this fall, that will anyways applicable from next year

@ultrasnow: whatever you mentioned about using capital in secondary market, this was pointed many a times before also by others and there had been a lot of discussions on this already :)
its all upto individuals how they want to use their money, and as u mentioned, yes in secondary market also people may have positions and it doesn''t mean whatever extra money someone have, should put all that in secondary markets and now a days anyways u know the market levels/valuations.
Bank interest earning is also there other than ipo earning while applying for ipo in HNI using own money.

@lokes
I see your point but isn''t it a contradiction relying on bank interest while also hoping for IPO returns. IPO could list below issue price, erasing bank interest gains
About high secondary market valuations, there are decent bargain opportunities like the correction happening right now. In fact, one could argue that current IPO valuations are more inflated than prices in secondary market
Noorul could ideally invest 70%-85% of funds allotted for equities in secondary markets and rest in IPO, just my 2 cents

@ultrasnow: this is a big debatable topic :) and its upto individual choice and there are many HNI''s in this forum other than noorul as you know, so everyone is planning their funds as per their opinion/risk. So i think its better to leave to them to decide and choose how to use funds :)

In your opinion, ipo can list in discount but you are sure of secondary market, and in others opinion (including me), it can be other way also. Big famous ipos always listing positive and giving good returns always (no exception other than car trade), no discount listing etc (and no need to bet in risky ipos as noorul also avoids them mainly) and on other side, in secondary market , there is no guarantee when it can go down/up, no one can be sure what is bottom and what is top for market or for any share. IRCTC moved so fast to 3K but still it moved to 4K then 5K then 6K and then if someone bought at 6K thinking it will keep going up then it came to 4K also recently, so no one can judge any move in secondary market perfectly, same like nifty movement in last 6 months.

@M.k. in nykaa one who apply 80 lot will surely get one. If hni reach 100 times than also you will get a lot against 80.. about pb 45 lot is enough to get one.. and no idea about sigachi as 18 cr only left for hni category...
@ ultrasnow... Beside all the things dat lokes said.. let me tell u the most important one .. i m terrible player of secondary market .. had start trading few years back and made a big loss... Its was about 4 to 5 month period of time.. i never saw my portfolio in green anyday.. my portfolio goes down to down no matter which direction sensex goes.. its not like i didn''t try to change or switch the script but dat decision made situation bad to worse.. already hve enough wound of secondary market.. i m not made for it.. i truely accepted it.. left it at a right time otherwise you would hve seen me somewhere on the street having a bowl in my hand.. ( well no offence.. not criticising seconday market.. highly respect those who earn there livelihood from market.. may b i lack somewhere )..

Talking about ipo profit and loss.. i m filling ipo from last 5 years started as a retailer.. i m not agree what ultrasnow has said about losses in ipo.. if one can control its greed and do just bit of research about company and analysis few parameters that i always look before applying .. than there is hardly any chance about ending up in loss.. the only loss dat i remind in ipo is of car trade dat is of 2000rs..

Noorul ab or jyda loss hoga cartrade m ... company showed loss as compared to profit in last year due to ESOP

Excellent growth numbers in quarter and half yearly result of CarTrade. Loss is due to ESOP expenses which is very much required in start-up type of companies and it was clearly mentioned in RHP during IPO. Big investors have much more data than retailers and they factored in ESOP expenses. Hopefully market should take this result positively tomorrow.

@ Have Faith

CT results are excellent. Operational revenue is a big trigger. Tomorrow at least 10-12 % up depending on market conditions. Even 20% UC can''t denied if market trend takes U turn. ESOP action''s +ve reaction.

Totally agree...whether CarTrade shines in stock performance morrow or not, its results are shining for sure. Faith has been rewarded by the management...now stock too needs to reward the faith :)

@jstm

Hope so what are u saying comes true one UC needed to recover some loss.... already it is too much down for ipo price

yes desperately need one UC.

@NOORUL, sdz, lokes love to see healthy discussion.....
i m going with..... reasons
NYKAA(Beauty products addict will never end),
SIGACHI(Pharmacy,T2T,Samll size ipo) bal in pb(with most markate share n future)

i more thing i want to say no one discuss about STOP LOSS , i personally feel SL is a insurance that everyone should have so that they can escape from this kind of disaster fall (last 10 dyas sensex n nifty)

Regarding stop loss, I hate it. Since I don''t do day trading, I never used it. I always look for fundamentals so that I can recoup in long term. Of course you do accumulate few lemons over the time. I kick worst of portfolio when market is high.

@ # 24 : @MR....
Nice to see you back here Ravi Ji...