Where do u see NIC on 13 Nov when the share lists ? Is there a shorting opportunity?
290. R R Patel| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2017 3:00:25 PM
IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 3400+ Likes)
I am going to take a contra call and applying 5 lots. Total shares available for allotment in HNI, Retails and Employees are 6.18 crores and today on last day @2:50pm only approx 62.2 lakh shares applied in these three categories so remaining shares will be alloted to QIBs or may remain unalloted. So on listing day only 62.2(may increase eod) shares wiil available for trading because QIBs having locking period of 1 month so due to less availability of shares, less selling pressure and some demand so some profit must be there, if not i will go for long term without any problem so let''s have a chance............... I am not suggesting any one, its my personal view.
Operators will surely play their game like GIC n IEX.
Due to undersubscribed at even 770 in all categories n sellers will be at 770, price discovery will be below 770.
No real action started today at last day.
All the best for your endeavor.
290.2. R R Patel| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2017 4:10:10 PM
IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 3400+ Likes)
New India Assurance Ltd. IPO: Subscription figures on last day (BSE+NSE) @4pm:- QIB - 2.35X (closed) HNI - 0.114X (closed) Retail - 0.097X (open only for offline form) Employees - 0.185X (open only for offline form) Total - 1.195X Total shares applied by HNI, Retails & Employees are 68, 47,506 @ 4pm against available 6.18 crores. I have applied 5 lots.
I too thought of this an applied full quota on two applications . Let''s see if the risk pays off
290.4. R R Patel| Link| Bookmark|
November 3, 2017 10:30:35 PM
IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 3400+ Likes)
Total shares applied by HNI, Retails & Employees are 73,69,020 @10.20pm against available 6.18 crores. It means on listing day only 73.69 lakh shares will be available for trading out of 12 crores. So lets wait for some action on +ve side.
All share are in lock in period & only 65 500 (round figure) are available for trades ( floating shares ) of Z category shares, where did operators gets share for short selling ?
I appreciate your guts and contrarian view,HNI,RI,EMP all have chosen to avoid this share.So who will buy on listing day.This might go the samme way as other Insurance IPO.I feel even HDFC Life will fail.Insurance companies are making hay while the sun shines.All the best for positive listing
Gutsy. I''m sure you won''t lose money. I think this is a weirdly tricky IPO situation which hasn''t happened ever in past. Not many shares to trade on the listing day. Would be interesting to see how it moves!
did the blocking of amount started or still pending..?
290.14. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 6, 2017 10:14:39 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@ R R Patel: Due to this contra call only, so many people got stuck in GIC because of taking huge positions for some quick gains.....but see the fate of GIC now.....it is trading at 820 rs and going down from last 4 days continuous..... so i think no point in subscribing a ipo which will be definitely available at lower price on listing day...
Even after huge under subscription the float available will be about 550 Crores which will be. Good enough for trading so no shortage of sellers. But bit of wild fluctuations may be seen.
Once again forum members saved from highly priced IPO from senior members like SEPTA sir, Gamble sir and others.
My salute to those who take contra bets ignoring valuations and market sentiments. Lesson learnt that never ever trade against the market. Trend is friend in trading and valuation is king in investing. Rest all are sureshot way of loosing money.
This IPO is expected to have one of the most interesting listing scenario which have not been
With most of the shares with QIB, there will not be any selling pressure or demand pressure from buyers which effectively means one of the most boring opening of an IPO with very little price movement.
They have been making losses in all the years before 2017. Inexperienced promoter. Risk is huge in this IPO, Pulz looks better.
282. Pokemongo| Link| Bookmark|
November 6, 2017 3:55:33 PM
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There is demand of 50000 CR from Anchor Investor against 2250 CR which is available to be allotted. Source Economic Times. So you can guess what will happen after few months of listing.
282.1. Aniketiaf| Link| Bookmark|
November 6, 2017 7:16:57 PM
IPO Guru (1800+ Posts, 10200+ Likes)
I think your comment is for HDFC LIFE INSURANCE IPO. if wrong, than correct me.
282.2. Pokemongo| Link| Bookmark|
November 6, 2017 7:58:29 PM
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I have done bidding for 770rs. What are the chances of allotment
280. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
November 6, 2017 1:25:37 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
GIC is such a pathetic share.....going down daily from 4 days...its a lesson learned for future to avoid any greed.....that''s why not applied in NIA too and warned all members many times here to avoid subscribe.....i am sure that will also list in discount.... whoever subscribed to NIA, please get out on listing day itself on any bounce....don''t hold the share.....save your capital....
there could be a huge bolstering buy bid to Jack up the price to create an illusion of a decent listing. the key for the retail investors would be to Not Fall Prey to such sham moves...
Of the amount raised in 2017, Rs65,086 crore was raised by companies through 28 initial public offering (IPOs) on the main board of exchanges.
Ten of these 28 companies are trading below their offer price.“The success of an IPO depends on the response to the issue, and how does it fare on the listing day. A lot depends on the mood in the market on the day of their debut, too,” said Prithvi Haldea, chairman of Prime Database, a primary market tracker. Haldea says he classifies the primary market scenario in four zones—good company at attractive price, good company at expensive price, bad company at good price, and bad company at expensive valuations.
The shares are totally in strong and able hands of QIB. Extremely less supply from retail on listing day so price will shot up. Listing could be above Rs 1000, may hit upper circuit in afternoon like Sheela foams.
unusual hope, GIC RE same thing happen, you think who to sell on market, but not think who will buy on listing price, if someone who want to buy then apply on QIB or HNI portion on IPO. but no one apply, means QIB or HNI expect or to buy on dip means down on price. definitely open on negative or down of price.
274.6. Gingal| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2017 6:17:55 PM
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Final picture gives good picture. QIBs with lock in period are dominating. No pressure on sale on Listing day. Retail is too small to influence the listing day pressure. GOI won the game.and so called pundits miscalculated.
It is not about selling pressure... Its about BUYING PRESSURE due to which share prices increase. So when no one is interested to buy then price has to come down. (Subscription figures shows that NO ONE IS INTERESTED :-) ) If you minus LIC''s 6.5K CR from this issue then they would have either cancel or reduce the issue price. Share market is unpredictable but if chances of loss are 99% then why to take chance for 1%.