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170. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 11:14:46 PM
sorry freinds press the under line email the site will open sanjaysawant at kotakbank.com email sayaysawant@kotakbank.com
169. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 11:09:45 PM
EMAIL ADDRESS sanjaysawant@kotakbank.com for ASBA quries only

91-2266056587 fax 91- 2266056642
168. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 11:03:30 PM
167 FINANCIAL ANALYSTS

I DONOT KNOW WHY YOUR KOTAK BANK IS NOT ALLOWING
I AM CLEAR WITH ABSA RULES
ALSO THEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOU BANK AND OPEN IT WITH HDFC BANK

IN MUMBAI YOU HAVE TO GO TO HDFC BANK AT FORT ONLY

FOR YOUR QUERY WRITE OR PHONE TO KOTAK BANK SANJAY SAWANT 912266056587 FAX 912266056642 OR EMAIL TO sanjaysawant@kotak.com

sanjay sawant is resposiable to solve your quries for ASBA only write by email you will get the reply the officer who you contacted is not competant to solve your problem

trust us we are very clear of ASBA RULES BY SEBI
167. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 10:45:14 PM
162 163 STIFFKNOT

ALL OF US TO BE CLEAR WITH WHAT HE SAYS FIRST OF HE WANT TO APPLY IN ASBA ONLY
STIFFKNOT LET US KNOW THAT YOUR SAVING ACCOUNT BALANCE IS RS 7000 OR XYZ BUT NOT LESS THAN RS 7000 IF YOU ARE HAVING RS -100 IE OD FROM YOUR ACCOUNT YOU CANNOT APPLY IN ASBA THE SYSTEM WILL NOT ALLOW TO PLACE ORDER
THAT MEANS YOU SHOULD HAVE RS 7000 IE 175*40SHARES MINIMUM TO APPLY IN IPO ONLINE (IE CLEAR BALANCE )
YOU CANNOT USE YOUR OD TO APPLY ONLINE AS PER ASBA RULES
REMEMBER THIS NOT BANKS PROBLEM IE SBI
166. financialanalyst |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 10:43:35 PM
INFO ON ASBA

Hi,

I inquired with my bank (kotak) and they said that you cannot use your bank account to apply for your family's account with ASBA , such facility of making 5 application is available only with Public sector banks and private sector banks like Kotak do not provide this service, strange.. I believe the service should be similar for all banks.

Regards,
FinacialAnalyst
165. MUNDRATHI RAMU |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 9:31:46 PM
Stiffknot

You have to contact your SBI branch and request for transaction rights (Internet Banking)for your OD a/c. Then u can have access for OD a/c and can apply for ASBA also.
164. vas nat |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 9:04:29 PM (200+ Posts)
Stiffknot

You can apply with your cheque for your parents but the ipo application will be in the name of your parent and he/she needs to sign their application.You would be filling up your cheque details in their application.

You may have to later transfer back the money from your parents a/c to your account to nullify the transaction.
163. stiffknot |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 8:31:47 PM
Santosh,
I have been applying SBI ASBA for quiet some time. Now the concern is that I am not able to utilize my OD amt for applying IPO because,
1) I am not able to apply ASBA with my OD a/c. It shows only my SB there.
2) I am not able to transfer amt from OD to SB since my OD a/c is not showing up as Debit a/c in Funds Transfer.
162. Santosh. |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 8:10:01 PM
stiffknot logn online sbi-click on demat/asba-click on apply ipo using asba-follows the steps
161. stiffknot |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 7:42:21 PM
SBI OD a/c users pls advise -
I have opened an OD a/c against my FD with SBI to basically apply IPOs. In my online banking, I am able to c OD a/c in a/c summary page. But if I try to 'FUND TRANSFER' it shows only my savings a/c in 'Available Debit A/C' and it shows all the a/c I hold(SB,OD,PPF) in 'Available Credit A/C'. So, I don't know how to utilize the OD amt in the IPOs. Pls advise on how you guys apply with OD a/c. Do I need to have a separate online banking for OD a/c so that it would be the Debit a/c there?
160. stiffknot |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 7:34:39 PM
In an IPO, is it possible to apply with my cheque for third party? Does the application form require the third party's signature anywhere? I need this info to apply on behalf of my parent who is away from my place. Please advise.
159. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 6:53:06 PM
MUTHOOT FINANCE LTD
ARTICLE FROM SEASONAL MAGAZINE
PL READ
Thursday, March 17, 2011Muthoot Finance IPO - Invest or Wait?
After SKS Microfinance’s IPO that was graded 4/5 on ‘above average fundamentals’, another NBFC IPO graded similarly at 4/5 is appearing soon, of Muthoot Finance Ltd. India’s IPO ratings still avoid the all important question of whether an IPO is value-for-money or expensive, and focus only on assessing the company’s fundamentals. If Muthoot Finance goes ahead as planned to raise Rs. 1200 to Rs. 1400 crore on 5.15 crore shares, the IPO will have to be priced quite expensive at a P/E of 30 to 35 and a P/BV of 12 to 14 times. In comparison, Manappuram Finance is available at a P/E of 21 and a P/BV of 2.60 times, and Mahindra & Mahindra Financial Services is available at a P/E of 16.45 and a P/BV of 4.23 times. Coming to fundamentals, this gold loan sector leader’s CAGR and RoE are impressive, but the Issue has some peculiarities like a sizeable annual royalty favouring promoters, and anti-dilution guarantees to early investors. The IPO also comes amidst a turbulent time for NBFCs in general, and gold loan companies in particular, due to recent RBI regulations.


Kerala headquartered NBFC, Muthoot Finance Ltd, is soon expected to hit the market with their IPO which is pegged at between Rs. 1200 to Rs. 1400 crore.

Muthoot Finance is the flagship company of Muthoot M George Group, and is different from other Muthoot-named Groups like Muthoot Pappachan Group, which already has a listed company in its fold - Muthoot Capital Services Ltd (BSE: 511766) - and the smaller Mini Muthoottu Group. Muthoot is a family name based in Kerala.

Muthoot Finance’s mainstay is gold loans, and with FY’10 revenue of around Rs. 1090 crore, is easily the largest private gold loan company. The nearest private sector competitor and the only listed player now, Manappuram General Finance and Leasing Ltd (BSE: 531213, NSE: MANAPPURAM) had clocked a FY’10 revenue of Rs. 478 crore.

In the long run-up to its IPO, and a few months before filing its DRHP on October 4th of last year, Muthoot Finance had attracted investments from international and domestic private equity players like Matrix Partners, Baring, Kotak, & The Wellcome Trust. Happening between July 23rd and September 23rd, the preferential allotments for these investors were between Rs. 123 and Rs. 173.50 a share.

Muthoot Finance has not yet published its IPO price band, but has indicated that it is planning a pre-IPO placement of 1.41 crore shares at not less than Rs. 123 a share. The pre-IPO placement is sizeable as it amounts to around 27% of the IPO size itself, even though both are mutually exclusive.

The price reference of Rs. 123 appears reasonable on earnings, as it will translate to a pre-issue P/E of 16.20 times, but expensive on NAV, as it will amount to a pre-issue P/BV of 6.34 times. Also, Rs. 123 is just the base, and the pre-IPO placement can be upwards of that, may be even around Rs. 173.50, at which the last preferential allotment took place.

Coming to the IPO itself, Muthoot Finance is planning to offer 5.15 crore shares to raise between Rs. 1200 to Rs. 1400 crore. That works out to a lower and upper price band of Rs. 233 to Rs. 272. Here the Issue turns quite expensive, as at will amount to a P/E of 30 to 35 and a P/BV of 12 to 14 times.

India’s leading NBFCs by market cap like Shriram Transport (BSE: 511218, NSE: SRTRANSFIN), Indiabulls Financial Services (BSE: 532544, NSE: INDIABULLS), HDFC (BSE: 500010, NSE: HDFC), & Reliance Capital (BSE: 500111, NSE: RELCAPITAL) are all available between P/E of 8 to 30 times, and P/BV of 1 to 6 times.

Coming to Muthoot Finance’s own sector of gold loans, Manappuram Finance is available at a P/E of 21 and a P/BV of 2.60 times, while a more diversified player doing gold loans like Mahindra and Mahindra Financial Services (BSE: 532720, NSE: M&MFIN) is available at a P/E of 16.45 and a P/BV of 4.23 times.

The planned high valuations might be the reason why Muthoot Finance is offering a discount to retail investors, but this 10% discount is clearly not enough to offset these kind of valuations.

One way before Muthoot Finance to make the valuations better is to divest more than the planned 13.85% stake, or to limit the issue size to much less than the planned Rs. 1200 to Rs. 1400 crore.

However, rating agencies, CRISIL and ICRA have given a 4/5 rating to Muthoot IPO, supposedly indicating its above average fundamentals. The main drivers to this ratings have been the company’s impressive compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) of 73% during the past three years, and Return on Equity (RoE) of 33.52% on a three-year weighted average basis. But as the rating agencies themselves clarify on all IPO ratings, the ratings are in no way an indication of whether a public issue is value-for-money or expensive.

A recent example is the case of noted NBFC, SKS Microfinance’s (BSE: 533228, NSE: SKSMICRO) IPO, which had a similar rating of 4/5 on supposedly above average fundamentals, but which tumbled to more than 50% of the IPO price on mounting sectoral challenges.

This time also the rating agencies’ take can be extrapolated that fundamentals are strong, and that only the price should be the deciding factor.

Though the stress on price is justified as explained above, there are also some peculiar sector-specific and company-specific aspects to consider in Muthoot Finance’s IPO.

The NBFC sector as a whole has attracted much regulation by RBI during the last couple of months regarding Capital Adequacy Ratio (CAR) and other aspects, which is prompting even some long-term foreign investors in the sector like TPG (formerly, Texas Pacific Group) to plot exits from relatively safe NBFCs like Shriram Transport.

The niche NBFC sector of gold loans too has attracted stricter regulations these days, especially with the RBI ruling that gold loans can’t be done against bank funds allocated as priority sector / agrarian loans.

Another challenge before gold loan companies has been that despite impressive expansion across India, their Assets Under Management (AUM) continue to be dominated by South India. For example, Muthoot Finance’s AUM is dominated by a 75% participation by their South Indian branches.

In fact, analysts will be keenly watching the Q4 and subsequent quarters of FY’12 to ascertain whether gold loan companies have burned their fingers by trying to expand in North, East, & West of India, where the takers to these kinds of loans are quite low.

Another risk factor for gold loan companies like Muthoot Finance is the renewed interest by public sector banks and private sector banks in this line of business. Banks still call the shots in business volumes, accounting for more than 58% of organized gold loan business as of FY’10.

PSBs like Indian Overseas Bank (BSE: 532388, NSE: IOB), Indian Bank (BSE: 532814, NSE: INDIANB), State Bank of Travancore (BSE: 532191, NSE: SBT), and Andhra Bank (BSE: 532418, NSE: ANDHRABANK) , as well as private sector banks like South Indian Bank (BSE: 532218, NSE: SOUTHBANK), Federal Bank (BSE: 500469, NSE: FEDERALBNK), and HDFC Bank (BSE: 500010, NSE: HDFC) have sizeable gold loan portfolios.

Among these banks, PSBs are a particular threat to private gold loan companies, as their agri-gold loans are quite inexpensive for customers, in comparison with private gold loan companies’ lending rates. PSBs have already started giving a big push to agri-gold loans as they are now unable to lend to private gold loan companies for meeting their own priority sector requirements.

These emerging sectoral challenges may adversely affect the CAGR and RoE of Muthoot Finance, going forward.

Going more company specific, Muthoot Finance’s prospectus reveals a few peculiarities that should be of interest to investors.

The DRHP has a royalty clause in favour of promoters for allowing the company to use the Muthoot trademarks, which is fixed at 1% of the annual income, subject to a maximum of 3% of annual profit. For last year, this amounts to around Rs. 7 crore. Muthoot Finance’s net profit for this period was Rs. 228.52 crore. It remains to be seen whether investors would agree to this unconventional clause, which makes them lose this 3% of net profit while computing EPS.

A query sent by Seasonal Magazine to Muthoot Finance, to ascertain the justification for levying this royalty on investors remained unanswered at the time of publishing this article.

The problem is compounded by the fact that it is widely known that the ‘Muthoot’ family name or business name is not exclusive to Muthoot Finance, with three more unconnected groups sharing it, and with at least one of them, Muthoot FinCorp of Muthoot Pappachan Group in the same line of business, gold loans. The interrnet domain muthoot-dot-com also belongs to Muthoot Pappachan Group.

The company also faces a potential problem in its home turf of Kerala, where the Government is coming up with the Kerala Moneylenders’ Act (KML), which gives the state power to limit the interest rates charged by companies like Muthoot Finance. The Act is now pending at Supreme Court, and if passed, might amount to something like the Andhra MFI Ordinance that made SKS Microfinance crash. Muthoot Finance’s portfolio exposure to Kerala market is around 16%.

Another concern in Muthoot Finance’s prospectus is the many anti-dilution guarantees the company has agreed upon with their early investors like Baring, Matrix, Wellcome, & Kotak. It is not clear whether this may cause unwarranted and unjustified dilution to both institutional and retail investors entering through the IPO, now, as well as during subsequent dilutions. A query sent on this regard to Muthoot Finance remained unanswered.

Posted by Seasonal Magazine
158. Bhola |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 6:41:44 PM
what are the subscription figures now?
157. krishankumar sharma |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 6:27:31 PM
is there enough space to apply for this co.
156. carez |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 5:38:56 PM
grey market premium also has come down to 26-27 now. so looks like will not subscribe much in retail segment.

155. tower |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 5:38:25 PM
PREDICTION OF SUBSCRIPTION OF MUTHOOT

QIB 15

HNI 30

RETAIL 9

154. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 5:21:27 PM
MUTHOOT FINANCE IPO
WITH THE SUBCRIBTION FIGURES IN DAYS TO RETAIL INVESTORS ARE NOT THAT BULLISH IN THIS IPO WATING FOR THE QIB SUBCRIBTION GENERALLLY FOR VERY GOOD IPO RETAIL SUBCRIBE ATLEAST ONCE IN TWO DAYS OF OPENENING BUT SEEMS THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN AN SHOCK OF SKS FINANCE AND THE RBI CONTTROL ON THESE FUNDS
EVEN THOUGH THIS FUND IS QUITE DIFFRENT AND THERE IS NO LOSS IN RECOVERY AS IN CASE OF LAND OR HOUSE
GOLD IS DIRECTLY HELD BY THE COMPANY
BUT DUE TO NUMBER OF LITIGATIONS PEOPLE ARE WATCHING WHAT IS GOING ON ALSO THERE ARE GOOD IPO COMMING
WAIT FOR QIB SUBCRIBTION
153. preetparesh |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 5:15:11 PM
according to market conditation how many times muthoot ipo may over subscribe?
152. Sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 4:48:52 PM (900+ Posts)
Ok Friends,
I am applying with all my funds for Muthoot.I had dilemma at SBI bond time also since ONGC FPO was round the corner at that time but I thought first let us apply for SBI since its looking attractive.If even ONGC came later it may or may not give returns as much as ONGC.So better apply now than think about Future ventures ,Innoventive etc.
Innoventive closes on 29.Cheque will come for clearance on Tuesday ie. 3rd of May.So lot of time.
In this way perfect utilisation of money.Go for Muthoot to get double returns.
Last time when 13 IPOs came I applied for the first one Tirupathi & hence could utilise the same funds for Tecpro.Made double the profit while many skipped Tirupathi & hence settled with profit in only 1 IPO.
151. PREM P GUPTA |   Link |  Bookmark | April 19, 2011 4:25:13 PM
I think this will not subscribe more than 3-4 times