I really Respect your decision of your priority list of above 3 ipos As i can see there is a continuous fall in GMP of Muthoot currently 42 so why you keep Muthoot at first Just Query I dont have any source in grey market though I am also waiting to apply Muthoot or Suraj
The fall in GMP doesn't matter to me unless it goes sub-zero. I prefer MM first because Motisons is a lottery I cannot win and Suraj is asking for very high valuation.
As per the financials for the Q2 of FY24, the growth has continued to be significant QoQ, so is it possible that the P/E and other performance indicators mentioned in the description will be different?
The half year ended results can be accessed from company's website as below: https://muthootmicrofin.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Reg-52-Financial-Results-and-Audit-Report_26.10.2023_Sd.pdf
off topic: Dear CG members, it seems that IRM is forming nice base around 500. I am holding one retail lot since IPO. Please give the suggestions for exit strategy.
@newgen consultancy - Is Muthoot better or sooraj for SHNI. Will be going full force in Happy Forge and have some spare money and not sure which other is good. Let me know your view. Also share your thought on my strategy.
Suraj Estate is a better stock, from fundamental point of view. While, GMP for both stocks are at par right now, few days back Muthoot had upper hand which can happen again later. So, if you want some stability and fundamentally strong stock, Suraj would be a better choice.
In market's we see business and criminals cases of business and etc
Not personal choice of promoters. He is CEO not promoter and it's personal choice.... personal choice and business decisions r two seperate things
Also it's good ur not applying....at least one less person will apply for this ipo. So we have chance of allotment and earn profit on our hard earn money.
I wish the best of luck to @Ayan Roxx and other folks who are applying solely based on GMP numbers.
Group company Muthoot Capital Services has been one of the biggest wealth destroyers in recent years.
P/E ratio of 25 is very high for a NBFC-MFI. Fusion Microfinance is available at a P/E ratio of 12.
CEO is the face of the company and his decisions drive the company's direction. If he has bad judgement, then your money is pretty much up in the air.
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December 18, 2023 7:38:23 PM
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When someone talks about PE for Finance company.
One should know how much he understands the market.
Applying and not applying is one's choice but atleast start using a proper parameter for Finance Companies which is P/B ratio and not PE.
Baki aap toh politicians ke likings pe apply karne walo main se hai.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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December 18, 2023 8:23:33 PM
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@forsenCD Please see once growth of the company ,Aum of the company and their active clients numbers and also history of muthoot group then take decision not on the basis of one social media tweet.
BTW initially I thought that the tweet is from some Pakistani guy :) But little surprised to see this chap so outright spoken, most of their clan will keep anti India feelings inside and they wont express in public.
@IpoZINDAHAI There is a reason I specifically wrote NBFC-MFI in my comment. Book value and P/B are meaningless when most of the loan book is collateral-free loans given out left and right to rural SMEs. The only metrics that count for something for such companies dealing in unsecured debts are earnings and free cash flows. You are welcome.
@A. Rajput It is not just one tweet. His other tweets are even worse, openly mocking people supporting the central government as bhakts. He doesn't appear to be the smartest guy overall.
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December 19, 2023 11:07:23 AM
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High PE as compared to peers. Falling gmp aur uske baad CEO ke aise tweets. perfect candidate for flat listing. will wait till tomorrow to take a call.
I don't see GMP to apply for your information. But I do have sense that an key mangament professional is also an person with his personal choice.
I will not mix his personal choice and work. As long as company is fundamentally good I will apply.
Be it Adani, reliance, tata or any company.
ceo is face of campany.....only his business decisions will effect the company not his personal life
Not his personal choice like his political support..... everyone r free to vote who they want. How does his personal choice effect the company.. .. what matters is when political influence is used to get lobbying, that what it matters.
I have made profits in all ipo and i only see everything in business terms
I tell the same to those who don't invest in reliance because of promoter personal choice
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December 19, 2023 4:22:39 AM
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Muthoot or Suraj which one is better?
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December 19, 2023 10:17:33 AM
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I think Suraj
Safe 10-20% bet with lower subs
Muthoot coming at high pe, not sure why such craze
@Don't knowSir, @AaashishSir gave the prefect answer. I am using AU bank Sweep in FD (need to create it physically by filling form) and then using it to apply in IPOs.
Hello experts, Any possibility of discount listing? Should I go with motison or muthoot? I see better allotment chances in Muthoot but I'm concern about discount listing.Please guide me what to do. I have 4 account and I can do shni bhni both.
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December 19, 2023 11:04:56 AM
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chances of allotment in Motisons are quite low and here it's quite high but this might give a flat listing looking at GMP.
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December 18, 2023 9:52:55 PM
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Can anyone explain why it is coming at 24 pe and is still considered fair value
Peer fusion is at pe of 12
Similar pb of 2.3
Npa is .3, less than .6 of fusion which is a good thing
However, doubling of pe based on this metric is not justified in my opinion
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December 18, 2023 10:42:58 PM
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@Aaashish It may be due to presence in pan India currently present in 18 state and lending money in the rural area. Rural regions is still very underprivileged and people highly dependent on loan for small business. Muthoot is providing 93% unsecured loan which is also good strategy. 1 thing I like about this group is they provide loan to group of women if one person default then others members are there to pay.i will definitely apply in this ipo. It's my point view
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December 18, 2023 11:11:17 PM
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Thanks rajput bhai
Pan Indian presence can not be a justification for doubling of PE bhai on a similar book value
Had it's pb been lower, then higher pe would be fine and you can still take a bet for the future
Also revenue of fusion is more than muthoot
From what I can see , higher growth and better NPA can justify higher PE but it shouldn't double
Other experienced boarders, kindly share your views
If anyone has done a thorough analysis and saw some points which I missed, kindly highlight those
I donot apply solely on prevailing GMP, rely on fundamentals more to preserve capital
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December 19, 2023 1:48:05 PM
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Look at the H1 FY24 results - PAT is 200 Cr (annualized to 400 Cr), vs 163 Cr in FY23. So the annualized FY24 PE is only 12x with PAT & topline both growing super fast. Personally think this is quite undervalued, but let's see how it lists.
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December 19, 2023 8:20:40 PM
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if we take forward P/E, fusion would be at 8, admittely growth in muthoot is higher but still that shouldn't translate to 50% premium IMO
what's your take on this
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December 19, 2023 9:31:42 PM
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@Aaashish How are you getting forward PE of 8? Fusion PAT for H1 24 is ~250 Cr, annualized is 500 Cr and market cap is 6000 Cr, so again 12x. Now apply relative growth rates of Muthoot and Fusion and you'll see why Muthoot can list at a premium even thought IPO price is at 12x multiple
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December 20, 2023 12:41:50 PM
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Yes Rohit
I read about its forward pe by a learned and respected member so didn't crosscheck
Tata tach mein bahut logon ko ipo nahin laga. Bahut Paisa hai public ke paas, dekhte jaiye. It is always going to be lottery for any category. Keep applying and you never know when lady luck will smile upon. All the best 👍