C.E. Info systems limited IPO Message Board (Page 30)

On BSE website, it says 424.69 - unchanged since almost the last hour.

One question. I applied for 435 lots, so it seems I should be assured of at least 1, but will the 10 extra lots I applied for be considered for the lottery ( low chance) for a second lot or not ?

@confusing markets HNI & QIB category close at 4 PM

@confusing: last time for HNI is 4pm at exchanges, after that it wont increase.
@colcol: for your extra 10 lots, its proportionate (share wise not lot wise) , so for every 424X, its 1 lot (14 shares), so for your extra10 lots, you will not get even 1 extra share mostly. you can use HNI allotment calculator present to get to know your shares allotment as per lots applied, in below link:

https://www.chittorgarh.com/ipo-hni-funding-cost-calculator/mapmyindia-ipo/1187/

Send request in Phonepe.

YES I ALSO FACING THIS PROBLEM

SBI servers are down since morning....

No

Tension ki hi baat hai.
With 17 application in go fashion & tega got 0.
Hope is bar 17 application me 1-2 lot mil jaye.

woow .. how do you apply so many applications? 21 accounts for 21 different people?

looks like funded hnis are going to target this over other ipos.
self-funded hnis will have to analyze which one would be best for them based on the estimated subscription.

let me repost here my general post about all current ipos:

Tega funds can be used mainly in mapmyindia for good returns.
Some funds can be put in rategain/shriram properties also as per last day subscriptions since both are little risky to play in HNI since they both have losses and even issue size of rategain is big.
Medplus is good ipo but HP adhesive doesn''t look so good.
Rategain funds can be used in medplus but shriram properties funds can''t be used in medplus so better to apply in rategain instead of shriram properties to re-use funds in medplus, if QIB/HNI crosses 4-5 times atleast in rategain.
Mapmyindia and shriram properties funds can be used in HP adhesive if that has good gmp/subscriptions/price-valuations.

Its a Gold dust.. the only problem i can see is huge over subscription .. hni 500x again looks very much possible.

@noorul@avenue@Mog: In my view, atleast in mapmyindia, it shouldn''''t cross 400X due to its big size of around 1039 cr, latent/tega were having smaller size of around 600cr. mapmyindia can go like gocolors around 300-350X max.

Subscription 300x not possible at all.
So many good ipo dates are clashing.
One of the another reason is that it self have good size ipo

Looks like the promoters got a bit greedy.
Earlier the issue was supposed to be around 1600 for Fv 5 share.

I have 2 lakh additional for some time. Pl advise me that It is advisable to apply in HNI quota for one application or one application of one lot in RII?

@ Vaaru, with 2lakh, you have no advantage, its going to be heavily subscribed, may be + 300x in hni category that you want to enter. you may need to invest for 300+ lot application - its exact calculations goes upto last day afternoon.

if you want to stand a chance try in RII category - apply with few more family members demat to increase the probability of Allotment.. REST IS ALL LUCK.

sometimes you put 1 application and it gets the allotment. and other times none fetches the allotment.

KEEP CALM.. KEEP TRYING

First day retail subscription only 3x... For a ipo having 100% Gmp.. quite surprising... Usually even lame ipo with no gr8 fundamentals r subscribing like this by retailers..
I hope hni won''t cross 350x in this script.

@noorul,
35% retail portion of 1039 Cr IPO, not that bad. it will easily cross 10 X on retail.
@lokes, @badluck,
I agree it will be around 300 X, due to size and so many IPO''s clashing at same time (many people including me in super confusion on IPO allocation 😜)

Thanks

@mravi It should be comparatively easier for you to decide because in Data Patterns your application won''t be accepted through NRI account, so it ultimately boils down to Mappy vs Medplus in the mainboard section. With your capacity, you can go for both.

@mog,
Thanks for the information about Data Patterns, really appreciated. (I would have done the same mistake earlier in Paras Defence)
for Mappy, I will go all remaining and FF on Medplus (offcourse from the Rate gain refund)

Thanks

@Noorul
I have skipped RTT, ShriRam, Metro etc..
Intending to apply HNI Data Patterns and CEIS [and retail in Medplus and HPA (iff)].
Should I split 50-50 for DP and CEIS or would you suggest some other ratio.
Thank you!!

Applied 110 Lots here.
RateGain applied 50 lots.

@MRavi: don''t worry sir, i was also remembering that paras thing for you now in data patterns and wanted to ask/remind you to check about your eligibility :)

@lokes,
Thanks for remembering ''Paras'' and your intention to alert me, really appreciated. 👌😊

Thanks

@MOG @Lokes... Hats of to you guys for your memory by remembering other members issues like M Ravi''s case of Paras application....... Thanks
Seriously I struggle to remember even my own old applications and now started to keep notes. :)

@avenue: since i did lot of research that time in paras RHP to find the reason/clue of MRavi''s non allotment in paras, so as soon as "defense" word came again in data patterns, those things automatically came into my mind ;) :)

@Eklavya.. dont split d fund .. both will b heavily subscribe in hni category.. i would like to suggest mapmyindia.. becaz of its big size.. it means chances of allotment much possible here.. if u hve capacity of under 160 lot than apply in common figures like 100, 110 ,120 or above the 160 than some odd figures like 163, 176 etc..

@Avenue @lokes

I had missed that entire episode of @MRavi not getting allotted in Paras. Read about that whole snafu later. When I spoke to a NRI find of mine who trades through HDFC sec, he said the RM informed him that u r not allowed to fill this IPO. I guess some brokerages / RMs have more clarity in this than others. it should be incorporated in the one page offer doc and even the system should not accept the same. Its very easy to check the PAN number against the internal systems as ASBA means you are going through your bank / brokerage both of which are aware of the NRI status.

@noorul 450X + in HNI

Funded HNIs are getting enticed again with the market looking stable.

Hope your prediction of lower subscription is correct. Even if the mkt falls on Monday, won''t help, cos the funding booking is being locked in today at the latest.

I can''t resist myself for asking a silly question.
High GMP results a high HNI subscription
OR
High HNI subscription results a high GMP ???

@Noorul @ MK @Lokes... Can you share your views on HNI subscription of all 4 IPOs considering IPO size, just like we are discussing Mappy.
MapmyIndia, MedPlus, Data Patterns & HPA...
Leave it if it is too early to comment...

@Lokes, @Noorul, @MK and other expert members-
I am not sure if it has been addressed previously- Can we link "senior citizens savings scheme"(its FD acc for tenure 5 yrs in SBI) with savings bank acc in SBI? This FD has to be normal FD or even RD can also be linked with savings acc?
Any inputs, much appreciated.

Thanks!

@ avenue. High gmp raises the high subscription in clear words i hve never witness any ipo having gmp of 5 to 10% and subscription is phenomenal like over 200x or something.
@M.k. I am applying 323 lot in it .. 430x subscription is my dead line.. anything below 430 than i m in over 75% category.. if somehow i met any companion with similar lots of mine we both will b alloted.
Skipping medplus becaz of continuously rising in gmp of data pattern and again that all time fav theory " bird in hand Worth two in bush"🤣 .
I m applying 280 lots in Data pattern if anyhow subscription reaches 360x than again i will in plus 75 % category ..
Rest money i will left for nupur sme ipo.. apply 10 to 11 lot in it.
I didn''t get anything in Tega in both the account.. so this time coming with complete homework.
N missing my frnd @ sdz.. he and me the founder of this Hni club.. where on earth r u ??

@avenue: its like first one: High GMP results a high HNI subscription.

Regarding funds, one thing is that only mapmyindia funds can be reused in HP adhesive. So at a time, funds needed for 3 ipos atleast. As i said earlier, I think mapmyindia wont cross 300X ideally. And data patterns may have higher susbcription around 400-500X. So funds allocations all depends on how much lots someone having (taking in mind that only mapmyindia funds can be used in HPA)

if someone having 100 lots around then better to apply all in medplus only.
if someone having 300 lots around then better to apply all in mapmyindia only.
if someone having 400 lots around then better to apply in mapmyindia and medplus both.
if someone having 500 lots then better to apply in mapmyindia 195 and data patterns 305 lots in data patterns (trying in both birds)
if someone having 600 lots then better to apply mapmyindia 225 medplus 50 and data patterns 325.
if someone having 700 lots then better to apply mapmyindia 245 medplus 100 and data patterns 355.

Something like that can be planned, rest we can see as per subscriptions/gmp going forward around 2.45pm last day in each ipo and accordingly some deviation we can do in lots distribution in above calculation.

@Noorul... Naturally high GMP results higher HNI subscription but I used to see some experts calculating GMP based on expected HNI fig.. I hope that it''s not the usual way.
Being the 1st to open cards let''s reserve 323 fig for Noorul, though you may change final figure based on subscription at 1:50 pm.
I have funds for about 515 lots in main account and would like to follow the same theory and target for 1 lot in Mappy if HNI subscription is reasonable.
AND yes SDZ is being missed...

@Lokes... Great
and thanks for sharing...

Noorul has an earlier cutoff of 2 pm. When we are relatively free, we will discuss that why the different cutoff times are allowed for different platforms and why it can not be uniformed just like IPO dates for all.

I had just put a single lot application for Anand Rathi which I tried to withdraw too, but today found they allotted shares. A great achievement may be in last 1+ year 1st allotment under RII category in my name. But now I feel it may get listed @ Discount😀😀 Does any lucky one Got refund?

@Noorul@#19....
Thank you for your guidance.

I vividly remember sdz''s and your discussions about HNI strategies, which I found quite interesting. You two definitely are the Founder members of the HNI club.

Missing sdz here....hope he resurfaces soon.

@lokes @#26...

Thank you for this such an accurate and meticulous break-up. Well done...
Can you please tell me how to break 260 lots in Map and DP.
Medplus is just retail for me at the moment.
Thank you !!!

@Avenue.. Most of time i don''t face any sort of problem with that 2pm cut off.. when a ipo that is a blind bet or Gold dust.. but in some other cases when a ipo which has so many ifs and buts and hving difference of opinion from all d members.. just like yesterday.. ipo of Rategain.. In that case that early cut off time does matter a lot and i felt like i m d one who step out now n take the first bullett on chest.. while other still hve all d time of d world to analysis d situation.
And somewhere i felt that 100 lots of mine also raises some sort of confidence level in others to b play this gamble even with half hearted approach..

I have 260 lots capacity overall
Noorul ji
Lokes ji
Please advice

@eklavya @shad: with 260 lots, better go with all money in mapmyindia only by putting some odd number anything like 257 or 263 etc. There are good chances you will be allotted 1 lot and then you can reuse same money in HP adhesive too as per gmp/subscription in that later. Data patterns i think will be subscribed more than mapmyindia so less chances of allotment there and also that money cant be used in HPA.

@Noorul... I believe ICICI HNI cut off time is 3:00 pm but I have been able to revise my bids upwards after 3:00 pm till around 3:30 pm.

You also may test with your bank if they allow revising bids after 2 pm., if you have not tested it already.

@Lokesh
Thank you for the advice. It tallys with Noorul''s (thanks) too. Makes it much easier now. I''ll comply with that.
I''ll be interested in HPA too provided it receives good subscription and will also depend upon various views here.

icici cutoff both for retail and HNI and revising is 4.30pm

@Avenue What came first? The 🐔 or the 🥚?

High GMP causes High subscription or High Subscription causes high GMP?

Lokes and noorul have answered it well. Guess, hoth are dependant on each other. Can''t separate one from the other anyways 😉

@noorul I think I shall go with the One confirmed in Hand than 2 in the Bush 😉 Your lot number is reserved for you.
For the SME IPO what is your subscription prediction? Do u mean to apply all from 1 account or separate accounts as retail?

@lokes Bhai aap eat, breathe aur drink IPOs hi karte ho... What a break up of where to apply depending on funds 🙏

@ M.k. i do remember that incident of fake Sbi branch in some village.. dats was such a innovative idea of scam i must say.. even someone suggest dat Money Hiest should do this kind of robbery in upcoming series..
Sbi branch and there lunch time is a never ending love story 😀.
Talking about nupur sme.. i will take my final call on last day.. if only hni n retail cross 6x.. becaz Sme are soo risky bet unlike mainboard..
Nupur sme is quite big in term of sme size so i think one should get a confirm lot against 8 in hni..
And i m hving 2 account so will divide the fund for four ipos.. 3 mainboard 1 sme.. none in retail.
Thanks everyone to reserve those numbers for me.. if somehow i make any changes as per situation.. i shall inform u here.

@lokes - very nice todo list for hni from 100-700 lots. However I had applied 376 lots in RTT which I think will be available for medplus & Data, so I want to go full force in mappy (about 733 lots), is that OK? Final decision will be at 2.45 pm Monday. Looking at ipo size, hni subs will be higher in data as issue is 588cr vs MMI which is 1000+ cr ipo size.

@samjos: yes final subscription should be more in data patterns due to smaller size and I feel it''s GMP may also increase later. But as of now both are having almost same GMP, then whatever you said to put all in mappy only, that is also fine and safe play, considering there will be no confusion then and no risk of no allotment in data patterns, when dividing funds and if data patterns subscription crosses too high.

@mravi I distinctly remember the whole fiasco during Paras IPO so i just reminded you because the opportunity cost would have been massive for a person with your capacity.
@avenue yeah i usually tend to remember interesting things.😁

I can arrange 45 lakhs for applying in HNI. Shall i put one application or divide into two? Where are the chances for higher allotment?

Estimated Hni subs 500x.🔥🔥

@nileshnikalje - single application, odd number shares.

I don''t think there is going to b much more difference in hni subscription of Mapmy india and Datapattern.

@samjos, what is the logic behind odd number of shares? Is it odd number of lots or shares?

@nilesh: better apply all your lots (296 or 297 or 298 etc anything) in mapmyindia (if it is around 250-270X times or less at 2.45pm) else apply all in medplus.

Hello experts, so much confusing where to put money. seems HNI subs will easily cross 600x for mappy and same i think same will happen for data patterns. Medplus i think will be 100x-200x.

I have 1000 lots, would it be better to go FF in medplus or FF in mappy . mappy fund is available for Supriya and supriya seems attractively priced at 274. But Medplus/data pattern are not.

or would it be better to split between Mappy and medplus. One thing is for sure, need to either choose mappy or Data pattern. And mappy seems better because of bigger HNI size and skip Data pattern.

@Avenue #35, Last week, I have applied at 12.30pm in SBI ASBA and tried to increase my HNI lots as Lokes suggested to try till 2 pm. I couldn''t update and even after that time also I tried for half an hour. I couldn''t update my HNI lots even though there is an ''Edit IPO'' tab. That tab might work for retail only I think.

@mvsmr... my comments on revising HNI bids are limited to my own experience on ICICIDirect, wherein I have been able to upgrade by bids even after 3:00 pm, now on three occasions. I can not comment on other banks.

Map : 401 lots
Med : 35 lots
Data : 1 lots

Wish me luck 🤞

Applied. 413 lot

@snipperRaj : with so much of funds, i will suggest not to take risk going full force in medplus only....better fo FF in mapmyindia only or leave some funds for medplus, like 800 lots for mapmyindia and 200 for medplus.
medplus alone can be risky too like tega during listing (means gmp may decrease here so its more risk more reward type of) but mapmyindia will go as per gmp most probably during listing.

Good luck @NITEENIPO and @noorul. Hope it doesn''t crosses 400X.
I wish its around 350X only which will be better for many of us :)

I have applied for 110 lots as it will be less than 50% of the subscription.
@Lokes, thanks for the knowledge sharing on how many lots to apply with the funds across the IPOs and odd/even lots also.
Hope will get allotment in lottery

At this subscription 230X already before 2:30 PM, does it make sense to apply for 172 lots?

hopefully it doesn''t cross 450x.
I''ll wait till the last minute before applying and try to maximize the return from various IPOs by strategizing the lot size.

Applied for 172 lots in MapMyIndia.
I got 1 lot in tega with 172 lots (against 262X subscription).

Suppose HNI category gets oversubscribed by 400 times and I apply 80 lots. If there are 20 people who have applied 80 lots, will there be a 25% probability of getting allotment? Am I correct?

I have applied for 339 lots.
If anyone already applied for 339 lots pl tell so that I can revise by bid.

Didn''t get you.. I applied for all three as individual

@Avenue I applied 830 Lots. finger cross to get 2 lots.

i have applied in all retail accounts here, subscription going too high, may be it will touch around 450X as per now.
@antarix : its 20% chances via lottery for 80 lots when subscription is 400X.
From 20 people who applied 80 lots then 4 people will be allotted 1 lot.

I had applied for 442 lots

1) HNI: Applied for 687 lots.
2) Retail: Two applications with 1 lot each.

someone may start second thread for HNI may be.

I applied one lot each in the name of me, my father and mother from my SBI net banking (as individuals) .. Is that considered valid? My broker says no.

271 lots applied
Please do not select this lot number

Hi Allll...Was able to manage to apply only 267lots + 1 retail lottery just now. Funds, funds and more funds.... More the funds you want to apply, lesser will be the idle funds availability 😜

All the best @Noorul, lokes, MRavi and each and everyone for more shares allotment than expected 👍 😉

How many bumper IPOs are coming one after another unending... Unlimited IPOs to be planned with ultra limited funds 😂😂

@lokes I''ve opened it

@anup: that is valid, ignore your broker (they have general perception)
From SBI, we can apply 5 applications (5 different person) for single ipo and linkintime/kfintech are accepting and allotting to third party applications also.

@sdz good to see you 😊

will the probability of allotment be same for two ppl who have applied for 50 lots vs 380 lots under HNI category.
( assumING that the subscription crosses 400x)

@lokes- thanks

My prediction of over subscription..
Mapmyindia = 320x - 390x
Datapattern = 350x - 430x
Medplus = <70x

no need to increase lot size....you''ll mostly get 1 lot

If you applied with their PAN numbers, it is valid application as SBI allows 5 applications via ASBA.

its perfectly valid for all 3 to apply but was this using the same upi id ?

Its not using upi Id but through my one net banking account

Who is your broker ?