I am kind of relieved after looing at the Acnhor list. Only 1 ELSS I have from Axis MF.. which I had stopped SIP more than 1.5 years ago..
Now I will be withdrawing from it also.
Folks..chosse better mutual fund and insurance firm.. not the one's who participated here as Anchor. I will continue..Mirae Asset, Kotak and Tata funds that I own.
Good anchor list and many negative review making me want to apply for this IPO 😜..
57. Nifty Singh| Link| Bookmark|
October 30, 2023 9:18:08 PM
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Neither i can afford their products nor IPO. I am failed to understand completely their business model. They want to be Gucci, Armani, Prada, apple of FMCG. Right guy's FMCG, that too in India. Are you convinced? Won't apply even a single retail. It's my personal investment instinct.
#Not a good bet. #Probably would be exposed through mutual funds or pension funds, so no need to to take further exposure. # Product are not good. (Survery some beauty concious females and you will get the answer.) # Kids grew healthy in old days without these products. (Not an essential item in one's life.) # No own production plant # Target consumers are exaggerated. # Product price are high. (Caters mainly to mid to low segment) # Intense competition in low and premium segment. Good premium products (especially imported) are available on Ecom sites (Amazon, Flipkart, Nykaa, purplle etc) with lab certifications.# One may also import from foreign or ask relatives to bring, if so health conscious. # With M&A and exponential assets growth, it is at the peak of capital cycle with minimal PAT. #Financials:- Good discussion by other members and experts.(I may be wrong, however not going to apply in this). (Not an investment advice for others. Take decision as per own risk appetite and also own it).
Fund Managers & Anchor Investors use public money to invest in OFS/IPO and get the kickbacks from issuer. All, the OFS/IPOs, which have been listed on deep discounts had Good & Long list of Fund Houses & Anchor Investors. Even, the OFS/IPOs where employee and retail participation is dismal, Anchor Investors apply with full throttle.
Do we really think that these fund houses and Anchor Investor know lee than common investor about the company and its promoters? No, that is never the case but the individuals controlling Fund Houses and Bulk Investment have wrong intentions and know how they will personally be compensated.
Can some one explain that why issue expenses are to the range of 10% in some cases? Is this money used for some fraudulent purposes?
Today , Almost all Chinese Tech companies and Multi Billion Dollar Startups except Tencent have fallen miserably Even many Such companies have witnessed a fall in US too , also the same Trent in LSE , AND FTSE Don't know what has happened
Apart from Valuations , business Model and Losses , This Global Scenario will definitely act as a negative point going forward I mean some Quality FII's who were interested here would not be comfortable investing here
I still expect around 60 named in its anchor And Still Believe that Anchor Book could be Mouth-Watering
Still Will Try to Stick with Cello and ESAF if no interest is found in Mamaearth
Hello @newgen consultancy sir, if you are tracking any shares from LSE/FTSE100 please provide your input. I have just started investing in UK and it is definitely not like India market. Making big loss at the moment.
I think for their lucrative exit promotors will crook all ways to find fund managers to oversubscribe this issue. They will try to create positive atmosphere around issue to trap investors.. In long run it will remain non sustainaible non profitable bussiness
Qib nd anchors (anchors more nd qib less) will use our hard earned money (via mutualfund) to full subscribe this ipo..
they did it in paytm nd all other "vahiyat"(useless) ipo's
my humble nd polite request to all small nd innocent retail investors to choose ur mutualfund(fund house) wisely nd smartly
🔴🔴one question to all ipo applicants who will apply here? in indian market around 4-5k scripts
so many good profitable scripts also
then why u applying in this loss making company?
note-this is my personal opinion, i might be wrong but i m not able to see enough positives to apply this ipo.this is not apply or avoid suggestion..take ur decision after ur research ..
Thanks Sir @Hope is life for pointing out this. we small investors sometime invest invest in MF without looking their portfolio stocks, past returns etc.
Either the fund managers know way better than us individual investors or they're really bad at their job...only extreme outcomes will be realized. Either ways...let's see how this performs on listing and during the first 3 months and 6 months!
I share your concern around this IPO and its valuation and think that it just doesn't deserve this pricing but also I must clarify that the FV is INR 10 and so shares haven't been split yet, the way we are normally used to them being split and evaluated.
This IPO looks like cheating investors through Share Market. Financial as all know that the figures are one of its kind. Loss making always matters, but borrowings as good as nothing. One of the main aspects of the issue is to advertise and make people aware of the products. Pricing is a matter of concern. Maximum IPO is OFS. Only 365 crs. is fresh issue out of 1700 crs. Issue. They have already sold the equity and kept negligible equity with themselves. They were already in need of funds which show the present holding with them. Now pre Issue holding is 37% which comes down to 35% or so. Still very happy. I was very fond of watching Shark Tank a TV Show. The presence of Mrs. Alagh very not impressive. Even her body language was not showing a good sign of business. I was not impressed by her presence with other sharks in the show. I may be wrong. Might be her heath conditions. I don't know whether Shilpa Shetty advertising the products may yield a good result. To conclude, not an IPO for investment specially for listing gains. Medium to long-term prospects difficult to predict. Better to AVOID and only AVOID. For me as a small investor, AVOID for me. Many better choices are available. Study and choose some good ones for investment. Hope for a positive week from tomorrow.
After seeing the financials and other stats, this does not look impressive to me. Because: - Their profit is negative - PE of 105x which is too high - Promotor holding of < 38% (a bit risky in long run if promotors lose control over organization)
There are a few positives but still, I am not very comfortable with the valuation: - Positive net worth - Negligible borrowing - Growing revenue
Will make my final decision after seeing the subscription figures on the final day and the anchor list (if any).
45. Smile✍️| Link| Bookmark|
October 29, 2023 11:40:19 AM
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This is first message on page of HONASA and NA from my end. I will not even look towards final subscription figures. I like online shopping for myself and family but till now never visited their page. This is situation of many. So can say that no one bother whether this company operates or not.lot of other opportunities can bid there. In cello I will apply as ofs not hoping much listing gain but it will good bid to hold due to their range of products utilised by all
Seems like Dilip Davda sir has collaborated with the company.
Any same person should give this a clear AVOID rating. What proven record??
Making loss and burning VC money. What products.. no manufacturing.. ? Has anyone tried their products?
I got couple of products free as sample from hospital when my daughter was born.. never used those..shitty products. Promoter selling😕.. lot of investors exiting..
However the problem is mutual funds will still buy it.. it's not their money.. free public money will be utilized... And lot of fund manager will do front running as well. 100+ PE.. mazak ho Raha hai.
This may still list with some premium..and no body knows what happen after listing.. fomo create Kiya jayega..
But logical sane mind says ..don't touch this even with a 10 feet pole.
Thought of sharing my views if it helps anyone. .. not looking for debate.
No GMP..no subscription can convince me to put my money in this IPO. Capital protection > capital appreciation. Protect your profits as well.
@CoolAsh with all due respect some of the other new age companies either do not trade on a PE basis as its more cosmetic PAT rather than real PAT and hence their PE looks higher than MamaEarth or else the new age companies are genuinely unique and do not have many listed peers unlike MamaEarth which has numerous listed peers.
Very right they sell very cheap quality products in fancy bottles, after creating hype about their ingredients.
42.6. PeterEngland| Link| Bookmark|
October 31, 2023 12:55:59 PM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
I was surprised to see Mr. Anil Singhvi went so easy on Varun during their (scripted) interview, no tough questions asked and even softer questions were given twisted answers. Varun lied on the national television saying all selling promoters are still holding more shares than they're selling which is a clear lie according to RHP.
Company definitely has very bright future, both Alaghs are already taking 2Cr+ salary and will take home extra 103Cr after IPO, they'll be very motivated to elevate the company to the new heights after this so that retail investors can also make something.
@DSR Bhai ekdum sahi baat boli, keep it up man... This forum need people like you 👍🤟
42.8. eVA| Link| Bookmark|
October 31, 2023 1:32:13 PM
IPO Guru (1300+ Posts, 2000+ Likes)
risk taker can apply for long term, what does this means?
42.9. MuStrFc| Link| Bookmark|
October 31, 2023 1:43:14 PM
IPO Guru (3000+ Posts, 2400+ Likes)
@eVA That means, the pricey valuation, non sustainable sales, heavy competitive sector, inconsistent PAT. All these combined make it a risky bet and only long term holding might ensure some benefits
Maybe You have tried calculating PE on FY24 Forward Earnings based on 1st quarter earnings Sir It's making a Confusion Sir it will work in IPO's with Full OFS or Loss making companies But let's take a case : IRM ENERGY: PE Pre-Issue : 24.13 PE Post-Issue : 32.8 PE FY24 Fe : 19.26
In Blue Jet it was ok due to Full OFS and It's still ok in Honasa due to negative earnings But it will not work in case of Profitable companies with Fresh Issue .
I would suggest to write that PE Under Heading FY24 Fe or PE TTM( Trailing 12 months) basis
It should go like this PE PE Post-Issue PE FY24 TTM / Fe ( Forward Earnings)
This will make it systematic with no chance of confusion And I will not Disturb you again and again 🤣
Completely agree - concept of PE as computed and detailed on this blog for companies which are raising fresh capital, is misconstrued and misrepresented. I too have tried to highlight this earlier.