Relax Eagleye i just said you should have get answers of basis of what mehul repeating of 620 types , i never gave fair value ever before for mgl, i don''t in hurriedly give any view, you was eager for 640 mathematics from mehul so i referred.
Eagleye you fast becoming Eagereye if you unnecessary indulge in increasing lions fight here
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June 11, 2016 8:08:54 PM
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oh ok ... sorry I misunderstood
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June 11, 2016 8:19:17 PM
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But nonetheless, I suggest you reconsider your Fair Value of Rs.500 ...
Do you think it might be too conservatively valued?
Considering that:
1) MGL''s growth as been in tandem with IGL
2) MGL''s EPS is more-or-less similar to IGL since past 3 years.
3) MGL has been paying dividend of 17.50 per share (and assuming that it will do so for FY15-16 also) as compared to IGL which has been paying dividend of 5.50 per share.
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June 11, 2016 8:43:45 PM
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June 11, 2016 5:40:10 PM
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Mahanagar Gas IPO
There have been so many rumours floating around in this IPO ... that nothing can be considered as confirmed until we hear it officially ... so it is best to hold your horses and wait until early next week before taking any actionable decisions
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June 11, 2016 4:05:41 PM
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June 11, 2016 2:43:46 PM
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Latest update is that the Mahanagar IPO details are likely to be annouced as follows:
Issue Date: 21 - 23 June Price Band: Rs 385 to Rs 421 Lot Size: 35
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June 11, 2016 3:09:46 PM
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Incorporated in 1995, Mahanagar Gas Limited is a city gas distribution company. Mahanagar Gas supply natural gas in Mumbai and its surrounding areas. Company is sole authorized distributor of compressed natural gas (CNG) and piped natural gas (PNG) in Mumbai. CNG is used in motor vehicles and PNG for domestic household use as well as for commercial and industrial use.
Company supply CNG though its network of 180 CNG filling stations which includes stations owned and operated by the company, oil marketing companies and private parties. CNG and PNG businesses accounted for 65.10% and 34.90%, respectively, of total gas sales revenue.
Company distribute natural gas through an extensive CGD network of pipelines, for which Mahanagar Gas have the exclusive authorization to lay, build, expand and operate the city gas distribution network. Company have a supply network of over 4,464 kms of pipelines.
Competitive Strengths:
1. Well positioned in Mumbai, one of the most populous cities in the world and second largest metropolitan city in India 2. Cost effective availability of domestic natural gas 3. Infrastructure exclusivity and established infrastructure network 4. Experience in successful development and operation of city gas distribution business. 5. Promoters with strong national and multinational experience 6. Strong financial performance with consistent growth and profitability
Company Promoters:
The promoters of the company are: 1. GAIL (India) Limited; and 2. BG Asia Pacific Holdings Pte. Limited
Objects of the Issue:
The objects of the Offer are: 1. to achieve the benefits of listing the Equity Shares on the Stock Exchanges and 2. to carry out the Offer for Sale
Note: Company will not receive any proceeds from the Offer and all proceeds from the Offer shall go to the Selling Shareholders.
If rumours of lowering of price band is true, (although 485 was not declared officially,) Does that mean that merchant bankers think @485 qib response will be lukewarm? At the most there can be max 7 lakh applications in retail as seen in recent ipo, allotement ratio 1 out of 2 or 2.5, tracking no of times in retail is irrelevant now.
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June 11, 2016 6:53:40 PM
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GMP = grey market premium
Please spend some time exploring Chittorgarh.com ... it has answers to all questions ... You may also like to look at the FAQs ... /newportal/ipo_faq_detail.asp?a=28
It looks like retail portion will subscribe more than 4 times. Though issue size is big but because of grand success of last two ipos equitas and Ujjivan, retail investors don''t want to miss any opportunity. If grey market premium reaches more than 1500 and if you have more than 4 applications, I suggest sell your applications. You will get more money by selling all applications in grey market instead of waiting for allotment and listing. This calculation works only if you have more than 4 applications. If you have fewer applications then you need to wait for allotment and listing.
Dear if price band same raha to one time ke leye 280000 DP ki jarurat hai or 4times ke leye 1120000 DP ki jarurat hogi. DP approximately 800000 hi active hai. So ye 2.5 se 3 times hi hoga.
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June 11, 2016 11:21:26 AM
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Ipo haryana , Only if everyone apply minimum lot and if everyone apply maximum lot than 20 times oversubscribed possible , assuming accordingly
Uchit Patel i have a counter view in regards to selling application IMO seller application then issue subscribed times then option is sell IMO this issue will be subscribed max three time at retail level by number of application so probability theory says better to apply and get the rewards then sell the application.
In regards to price reduction the rumour is lead manager want issue to be success at present the price is same as peers so issue will not get any positive moment so if it at least 10 to 20% discount to peers then not only the IPO will be successful also IPO market will be in Bull Run since merchant bank want this bull run to continue for at least 24 months since some very big IPO will hit the market
Septaji, you are right. I personally also believed in long term investment. I never did any trading in grey market before 2013. But many bogus companies during 2007 to 2011 put long term investors in really bad situation.
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June 10, 2016 11:42:24 PM
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Arjun Sir,
You may like to refer the following weblink
INDRAPRASTHA GAS LTD. Audited Financials 15-16 http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/3021124F_8646_428B_B723_75EC5F1AE26B_164653.pdf
With all due regards, your assumptions are inappropriate ...
in the case of IGL, for FY 2015-16 The EPS of 29.73 is for only for the standalone results However, the correct EPS to be considered is 33.15 (Consolidated results) Hence at today''s closing price of 582.35 ... the PE is 17.56
Moreover, during the past 3 years the growth of MGL has been slower than IGL and as such there is a valid argument why MGL deserves a lower PE valuation as compared to IGL.
Having said that, I am currently unable calculate the comparable valuation of MGL, as I do not have the EPS for FY15-16 (the RHP will give that data).
However, intuitively I think that your calculation of 620 is very aggressive.
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June 10, 2016 11:43:02 PM
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You may like to use this information to evaluate Mahanagar Gas IPO
INDRAPRASTHA GAS LTD. Audited Financials 15-16 http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/3021124F_8646_428B_B723_75EC5F1AE26B_164653.pdf
Gujarat Gas Ltd Audited Financials 15-16 http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/FD022549_CF90_4270_ABEF_02A91CD17897_084441.pdf
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June 11, 2016 10:23:14 AM
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Hope Eagleye now fully satisfied and not fight with mehul Eagleye Jun 5, 2016 6:19:54 PM IST Mahanagar Gas Limited IPO
Could you kindly please also share your calculations ... And explain how you arrived at this fair value figure of Rs. 640/-
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June 11, 2016 3:23:26 PM
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Khemkaji,
I am not in the camp which says Fair Value of MGL is >600 (620 or 640 is a far cry) ...
So unless CA Saheb can explain how he got 640 ... I will consider it only a figment of his wishful thinking ... without any basis of logic
:)
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June 11, 2016 3:33:21 PM
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Maybe even the QIBs are just as conservative ... which is why even the Company was compelled to reduce the issue price ... from 485 to 421 :)