EMBEDDED VALUE AND ENTRPRISE VALUE DONO SAME HOTA HE????
269.5. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
April 17, 2022 12:48:13 PM
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Embded value is assuming that this company will not right any new policy and value of current policy on discounted cash flow basis Enterprise value is an accounting concept and works on basis of assets and liabilities
I am facing a peculiar problem if any experienced friend can help me. Some years ago, I bought 100 share of sel manufacturing company (selmc) .It trades both in nse an bse. In August 2021 its price was about Rs 1 , promoter holding about 3%, mutual fund 16% and others 81% .In September 21 all on a sudden the promoter holding become 75%, mutual fund 24% and others 1% Now the share is going 5% higher everyday and the present price in nse is Rs 480. Now going to see its present position, I see that on 29/9/2021 100 share minus with comment "capital reduction" in NSDL (brokers menu). I have not got any amount for this transaction. Nor is there anything like any corporate action. So the company has simply stolen shares of the investors. If it is a case of reduction of capital, I should have got some shares. Moreover , how the promoter's stake can jump from 3% to 75% with reduction of capital? I need guidance from experienced friends who have dealt such matter.
266.2. Ou Ai| Link| Bookmark|
March 16, 2022 9:10:53 AM
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@Ashoksarkar Responding you based on your query and reply from @kingboss. Your holdings are reduced by 1/1000 in numbers. In other words, if you held originally 1000 shares , now you have 1 share! So if you had purchased 1000 @1/share adding to Rs 1000 , today it is worth 1 share quoted at 480.
Ruchi Soya post restructuring did similar capital reduction and thus is quoting sky high with miniscule capital.
Replied you based on logic and past precedence and have not studied this company.
@ kingboss , Ou Ai & cautious propio Thank you for responding.
I purchased these shares some five years ago in the range of 30. My query is how consequent upon capital reduction the stake of the promoter jumped from 3% to 75% and ours dropped from 81%to 1%. Can it be any worthy procedure ? How the regulators are managed ? It is a robbery in the daylight. It will entice other similar companies to take recourse to the same action and play with the shares. In case of Ruchi soya , it was on the Nclt resolution approval.
266.5. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 17, 2022 10:38:00 PM
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If you go through company communication in past you will find similar NCLT approval. Any way i remember SELMC as a share which teaches you good lesson about greed and poor supervision over our audit firms
266.6. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
March 19, 2022 11:19:20 AM
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It is possible that some investor holding big chunk was earlier consider in "Other" category and later that investor got on the board and recognized as co-Promotor along with original promotor with 3%.
You can see Current and earlier share holding on BSE and you can see "ARR ESS LEADING EDGE PRIVATE LIMITED" is recognized as new promotor with majority stake. Earlier they were not in promotor list.
265. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 18, 2022 12:52:31 PM
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As per ET now report All IPOs haven't gained on listing day. In the last six years, including 357 IPOs have been listed on bourses. Of these 357 IPOs, 262 gained on listing day, while 95 IPOs made a loss on listing day. Year Launched + opening - opening 2017 89 68 21 2018 88 60 28 2019 49 38 11 2020 31 22 9 2021 91 66 25 2022 so far 9 8 1 That way 2022 looks best year so far
If LIC ipo comes in the next fy, it will come with valuation as it 31.03 2022 which will be much higher than the present one. Moreover, some items which are not valuated properly for shortage of time will also be adjusted.
264.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 15, 2022 10:04:58 AM
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Not clear Unless surplus increase in large quantum it should not impact valuation Rather market is lower as on date if compared to 30th sep 2021 benchmark (if judged by sensex or nifty) Yes, there appears to implicit belief in future of LIC IPO performance amongst policy holder but there is no hard numbers to support same LIC IPO will perform better if LIC start selling more term policies (Non participating policy) at same rate as margins are better in that segment. It may do better if it is able to cut marketing cost of commission by shifting focus to bankassurance But items in above paragraph are unlikely to be rapidly achieved
@Arunarun sir, I have not referred to the valuation that generates surplus for distribution. I have referred to overall valuation of the company. The media and experts are harping on some fancy strings. People are beating the bush. But honey is elsewhere.
264.3. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 16, 2022 2:06:27 PM
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Valuation of LIC will rise if interest rate moves up significantly due to inflation given its portfolio is debt dominated and fresh inflow and interest inflow on past debt investment can be reinvested at higher rate While Banks suffer with interest rate hikes as their SLR portfolio loses value, it is other way round for insurance companies Don't see any significant positive or negative movement in LIC valuation just because date of 31st March 2022 passes
Also jamtara gang of mobile kyc /debit card /otp believe to be getting information from paytm , ...prime reason of biggest avoid
263.3. Aaashish| Link| Bookmark|
March 15, 2022 4:17:54 PM
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@Eagleeye
yeah, while i was researching about paytm( thought of investing after the recent dip), i came across an article from bloomberg stating the same, however, paytm has tweeted and denied this and RBI hasn't said anything concrete in this regard.
So this report might prove to be false and we can't be certain that data was leaked to Chinese firms.
Logically, given the current climate(Indo-china relationship), it is highly doubtful that Paytm willfully leaked the data to china( they must have known that it will create a huge uproar once it comes to light and would not take that risk)
in case, it happened due to negligence, then it's quite a big technical and governance lapse.
Let's see
if this report turns out to be true then paytm for sure will stay at these depressed levels.
Note : I am an investor in paytm( believe in its huge lending potential) and added more at 680 levels
263.6. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
April 17, 2022 1:00:09 PM
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Bought and sold between 500-700 range multiple time though small quantities. One is scared to trade by taking larger positions as difficult to understand demand and supply drivers. Yes, one can see technical demand and supply chart. Paytm is also getting some support now it is part of Nifty next 50
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March 14, 2022 4:55:26 PM
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THE MOST RELIABLE List of Mainboard IPOs IN THE PIPELINE (Status as on 11th March 2022)
A) DRHP Filed – SEBI Approval *Overdue*: DRHP filed >2 months ago
1) Aadhar Housing Finance >>> DRHP filing date 24-Jan-21 2) UMA Converter >>> DRHP filing date 01-Jul-21 3) Maximus International >>> DRHP filing date 26-Aug-21 4) Infinion Biopharma >>> DRHP filing date 01-Sep-21 5) Tamilnad Mercantile Bank >>> DRHP filing date 04-Sep-21 6) Lava International >>> DRHP filing date 28-Sep-21 7) BVG India >>> DRHP filing date 30-Sep-21 8) Oravel Stays >>> DRHP filing date 30-Sep-21 9) Droom Technology >>> DRHP filing date 12-Nov-21 10) Nandan Terry >>> DRHP filing date 10-Dec-21 11) Maini Precision Products >>> DRHP filing date 14-Dec-21 12) Syrma SGS Technology >>> DRHP filing date 14-Dec-21 13) Asianet Satellite Communications >>> DRHP filing date 22-Dec-21 14) Bharat FIH >>> DRHP filing date 24-Dec-21 15) Snapdeal >>> DRHP filing date 27-Dec-21 16) Protean eGov Technologies >>> DRHP filing date 27-Dec-21 17) Campus Activewear >>> DRHP filing date 27-Dec-21 18) TBO TEK >>> DRHP filing date 27-Dec-21 19) Venus Pipes & Tubes >>> DRHP filing date 27-Dec-21 20) Capillary Technologies India >>> DRHP filing date 27-Dec-21 21) Aether Industries >>> DRHP filing date 29-Dec-21
B) DRHP Filed – SEBI Approval *Awaited*: DRHP filed <2 months ago
22) Sresta Natural Bioproducts >>> DRHP filing date 11-Jan-22 23) Sanathan Textiles >>> DRHP filing date 12-Jan-22 24) Course5 Intelligence >>> DRHP filing date 12-Jan-22 25) Landmark Cars >>> DRHP filing date 19-Jan-22 26) Dreamfolks Services >>> DRHP filing date 24-Jan-22 27) FabIndia >>> DRHP filing date 24-Jan-22 28) Imagine Marketing >>> DRHP filing date 27-Jan-22 29) Dharmaj Crop Guard >>> DRHP filing date 28-Jan-22 30) Ethos >>> DRHP filing date 01-Feb-22 31) Harsha Engineers International >>> DRHP filing date 04-Feb-22 32) Inox Green Energy Services >>> DRHP filing date 08-Feb-22 33) Cogent E-Services >>> DRHP filing date 09-Feb-22 34) Kids Clinic India >>> DRHP filing date 11-Feb-22 35) TVS Supply Chain Solutions >>> DRHP filing date 14-Feb-22 36) Macleods Pharmaceuticals >>> DRHP filing date 15-Feb-22 37) Fedbank Financial Services >>> DRHP filing date 21-Feb-22 38) Archean Chemical Industries >>> DRHP filing date 21-Feb-22 39) Bikaji Foods International >>> DRHP filing date 23-Feb-22 40) Suraj Estate Developers >>> DRHP filing date 07-Mar-22 41) India Exposition Mart >>> DRHP filing date 08-Mar-22 42) EBIXCASH >>> DRHP filing date 10-Mar-22
C) SEBI Approval *Received (<3 months)*:
1) eMudhra >>> SEBI Approval 11-Mar-22 2) Rainbow Childrens Medicare >>> SEBI Approval 09-Mar-22 3) Life Insurance Corporation of India >>> SEBI Approval 08-Mar-22 4) Hexagon Nutrition >>> SEBI Approval 04-Mar-22 5) JK Files & Engineering >>> SEBI Approval 23-Feb-22 6) Elin Electronics >>> SEBI Approval 23-Feb-22 7) API Holdings >>> SEBI Approval 17-Feb-22 8) Wellness Forever Medicare >>> SEBI Approval 16-Feb-22 9) CMR Green Technologies >>> SEBI Approval 16-Feb-22 10) Jesons Industries >>> SEBI Approval 08-Feb-22 11) Capital Small Finance Bank >>> SEBI Approval 08-Feb-22 12) Uma Exports >>> SEBI Approval 07-Feb-22 13) Hariom Pipe Industries >>> SEBI Approval 28-Jan-22 14) Delhivery >>> SEBI Approval 13-Jan-22 15) Veranda Learning Solutions >>> SEBI Approval 11-Jan-22 16) Radiant Cash Management Services >>> SEBI Approval 10-Jan-22 17) Five-Star Business Finance >>> SEBI Approval 07-Jan-22 18) Waaree Energies >>> SEBI Approval 03-Jan-22 19) GPT Healthcare >>> SEBI Approval 29-Dec-21 20) Global Health >>> SEBI Approval 21-Dec-21 21) Veeda Clinical Research >>> SEBI Approval 21-Dec-21 22) Sahajanand Medical Technologies >>> SEBI Approval 17-Dec-21 23) Le Travenues Technology >>> SEBI Approval 16-Dec-21 24) Keventer Agro >>> SEBI Approval 16-Dec-21
D) SEBI Approval *Received (>3 months ago)*:
25) Emcure Pharmaceuticals >>> SEBI Approval 08-Dec-21 26) ESDS Software Solutions >>> SEBI Approval 03-Dec-21 27) Sterlite Power Transmissions >>> SEBI Approval 02-Dec-21 28) Godavari Biorefineries >>> SEBI Approval 26-Nov-21 29) VLCC Health Care >>> SEBI Approval 25-Nov-21 30) Healthium Meditech >>> SEBI Approval 24-Nov-21 31) India1 Payments >>> SEBI Approval 24-Nov-21 32) Gemini Edibles & Fats India >>> SEBI Approval 23-Nov-21 33) Electronics Mart India >>> SEBI Approval 22-Nov-21 34) Puranik Builders >>> SEBI Approval 18-Nov-21 35) Prudent Corporate Advisory Services >>> SEBI Approval 18-Nov-21 36) Tracxn Technologies >>> SEBI Approval 17-Nov-21 37) Fusion Micro Finance >>> SEBI Approval 16-Nov-21 38) Inspira Enterprises India >>> SEBI Approval 01-Nov-21 39) ESAF Small Finance Bank >>> SEBI Approval 20-Oct-21 40) Penna Cement Industries >>> SEBI Approval 14-Oct-21 41) Skanray Technologies >>> SEBI Approval 08-Oct-21 42) One Mobikwik Systems >>> SEBI Approval 07-Oct-21 43) Popular Vehicles and Services >>> SEBI Approval 29-Sept-21 44) Paradeep Phosphates >>> SEBI Approval 22-Sept-21 45) Northern Arc Capital >>> SEBI Approval 03-Sept-21 46) Chemspec Chemicals >>> SEBI Approval 30-Aug-21 47) Shri Bajrang Power and Ispat >>> SEBI Approval 26-Aug-21 48) Go Airlines (India) >>> SEBI Approval 26-Aug-21 49) Ruchi Soya Industries >>> SEBI Approval 13-Aug-21 50) Fincare Small Finance Bank >>> SEBI Approval 28-July-21 51) Jana Small Finance Bank >>> SEBI Approval 09-July-21 52) Medi Assist Healthcare Services >>> SEBI Approval 22-June-21 53) Utkarsh Small Finance Bank >>> SEBI Approval 03-June-21 54) Arohan Financial Services >>> SEBI Approval 23-Apr-21 55) Seven Islands Shipping >>> SEBI Approval 22-Mar-21
Govt plans to launch lic ipo around may after markets calm down.
260. IPO smart| Link| Bookmark|
March 13, 2022 5:46:34 PM
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The Russia-Ukraine crisis derailed the plans; to file the red herring prospectus with price band soon, says an official The government has time till May 12 to launch the initial public offering (IPO) of LIC without filing fresh papers with market regulator SEBI, an official said . Source : Business Line
Punjaab wale selfish aur bevkoof hain jinhone desh ke fayde ko na chunker sirf apne fayde ke lie Kejriwaal ko Chuna..... Sabko pata hai ki kejriwaal Delhi me sirf "Free Free " ke karan CM hai.... Warna baaki 4 States me 95% seats per Kejriwaal ke lampaton ki jamanat bhi jabt ho gai..... Me un sabhi matdataon ko naman kerta hu jinhone "free free" ke lalach ko laat maar ker rashtra ki unnati aur sthirta ke liye BJP ko Chuna.... Jai hind Vandey matram
Abki baar I won't apply unless they offer at least 50% discount to GIC shareholders and another 50% to NIA lambs. Interest rate regime since the last few years is a cruel joke based on whims in stead of the devastating level of inflation.
Everyone with legitimately earned money knows who the real fool is and who has been fooling around in the name of fake, foolish pride.
Same. Votes goes to both of them only from my area too.
259.14. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 16, 2022 5:10:55 PM
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@lomadi Rajaya Sabha majority is far off. While it looks BJP won elections actually it lost on its impact on Rajaya Sabha. For Majority it would still have to depend upon AAP, BJD, TRS, Jagan Congress, Akali Dal all of them are not NDA members NDA will also lose seats from Tamilnadu, Bihar as its MLA strength has gone down
258. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 12, 2022 12:22:19 PM
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Navi Technologies file DRHP with issue size upto 3350 crore with pre ipo option of 670 crore. Interesting thing about the issue is the face value of share being Rs 100. I don't remember any recent IPO share with face value of Rs 100
Details of Equity Shares held and tendered/offered in the Buyback: In Figures In Words Number of Equity Shares held as on the Record Date (February 23, 2022) 60 SIXTY ONLY Number of Equity Shares Entitled for Buyback (Buyback Entitlement) 0 ZERO ONLY Number of Equity Shares offered for Buyback
You come under general category where ER is 1:108 . So your entitlement is shown as zero. Now , if you tender all shares in buyback some will be accepted depending upon the number reluctant to tender in buyback.
Pharmeasy IPO Coming Soon May be in Current Financial Year
255.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
March 11, 2022 8:22:49 PM
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Likely opening date? If IPO allotment were not to happen within this financial year then HNI would not get funding. NBFC are not excited about carrying large open funding on balance sheet date i.e. 31.3. 2022 So Issue would need to open either on 17th or 21st (18th being holiday)
Btw... The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has barred Paytm Payments Bank from onboarding new customers with immediate effect due to certain supervisory concerns.
Further pain for Paytm shareholders.....May open 6 to 7 % lower on Monday...
253. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
March 9, 2022 1:03:35 PM
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What can be bought in this market?
-- IT stocks are the best and safe play, as Dollar will get stronger vs INR. -- Energy is another good sector to go with -- Stock specifics -----> Borosil Renew & Borosil Glass ( My favorites ) -> Glass price is keep on increasing and customers are ready to pay higher... Demand Supply gap. -----> Lupin - This stock is banged since last couple of years. Strong candidate for turnaround story in few quarters -----> Few others to list, Dixon Tech, HDFC AMC, L&T Tech, Latent View, Reliance, Tata Motors
253.1. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
March 9, 2022 1:07:26 PM
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Few members requesting for penny stocks. In my earlier post also, I suggest, I don't prefer penny stock unless am 100% confident with fundamentals or some news from confirmed source.
At this point, market is giving very good opportunity to grab very good fundamental stocks at attractive price. Its better go with fundamentals and for LONG TERM.
Dear p patel ji, Yeh to kismat hai hamari sir jee, If you have any information regarding selwin please share. Sir we have not enough capital, your help we get profit from mfs. Further sir ji if you have any information regarding Bcg, share please. You hold or sale selwin, sir jee we help from you
253.3. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
March 10, 2022 10:06:46 AM
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Dharmendra ji
I have partially sold sellwin to reserve my capital and profit portion kept for higher side. I am still confident for higher side and will exit around 30
Hi some members are expressing doubt regard to Brightcom (BCG). It's a very good share, please check records. Also management is shareholder friendly. Some brokers are playing crooked game and creating panic for small time retailers to sell. I am pretty sure by April, once the results are out, those holding will breath easy.
In the month of February, new business premium of LIC grows 35% SBIL grows 6.5 %, HDFCL grows 10% and ICICIPRUL decreases by 22%. 70% of life insurance business is procured in the last two quarter. Somebody may say that this is for LIC ipo. Be it, it is the answer who will bail out as some friends have put in.
एलआईसी के शेयरहोल्डर्स को सरकार के किसी भी फैसले से नुकसान हो सकता है। यह एलआईसी के एनपीए में भी देखने को मिलता है, जो 7.78 फीसदी है। यह आंकड़ा सभी लिस्टेड इंश्योरेंस कंपनियों में सबसे अधिक होगा। एसबीआई लाइफ का एनपीए 0.05 फीसदी, एचडीएफसी लाइफ का एनपीए 0.07 फीसदी, मैक्स लाइफ का 0.2 फीसदी और बजाज अलाएंज लाइफ का एनपीए 0.9 फीसदी है। वहीं आईसीआईसीआई प्रूडेंशियल लाइफ का एनपीए 0.00 है। विशेषज्ञों की मानें तो एलआईसी के आईपीओ से बचकर रहने की जरूरत है। सलाह दी जा रही है कि अगर डिस्काउंट पर भी शेयर ऑफर होते हैं तो भी इसमें निवेश करते वक्त बहुत अधिक सावधानी बरतने की जरूरत है। सलाह ये दी जा रही है कि अभी सरकार एलआईसी का 5 फीसदी बेच रही है और बाद में इसमें और हिस्सेदारी बेचे जाने की उम्मीद है। एंजेल वन की इक्विटी स्ट्रेटेजिस्ट ज्योति रॉय (डीवीपी) कहती हैं कि अगर आप इस शेयर में निवेश करने की सोच रहे हैं तो आपको लंबे वक्त का सोचकर चलना होगा, तभी मुनाफा मिल सकता है।