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869. Amit Kumar Yadav |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 11:19:45 AM
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Just had a talk with my younger brother who works at SBI.. He told me that people are coming to the bank to apply in LIC.. Among them many are first time investor filling offline forms..Also Bank staffs are encouraged and being told by superiors to apply in this IPO.. I must say govt has done a lot to make this IPO successful. This govt is good at PR and advertisement. Subscription data till now confirm this as well..i am hopeful that this will list with premium.
869.1. Amit Kumar Yadav |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 11:24:59 AM
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Also if it list with premium then new comers who applied in this IPO, they are gonna stay and they will apply in future IPOs with enthusiasm..They will learn about finance and financial education..its a very positive thing for Indian stock market.
868. IPOINPUT |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 10:20:00 AM
How many lots as PH should i apply in a single application if i want only 1 lot confirmed allotment ? Please suggest.
868.4. SANDY INVESTOR |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 10:59:20 AM
Retail Categary application wise will be 1.5X, so 60% to 70% chances of allotment of 1 lot in retail.
868.5. IPOINPUT |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 11:01:22 AM
Ramsan. Ok Thanks.
867. SANDY INVESTOR |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 10:17:28 AM
@Admin, Team Chittorgarh.com
Please update application wise subscription of Retail Catogary
867.1. NAND KISHORE PARWAL |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 10:32:49 AM
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Till now 5387866 retail applications
866. Shanm |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 9:36:49 AM
Dear All,
request experts advice, please.

In which category I will get more chances for an allotment? Either in small HNI or Big HNI?
I hope the answer will be helpful to many.
866.1. B.M.SURANA |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 9:42:05 AM
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In LIC No Small HNI Category .
Only HNI.
Aapko LIC Accha Lagta hai to HNI Mein Bharo.
865. sandeep kumar goyal IPO |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 9:18:26 AM
please tell me , i am policy holder ,can i apply both policy holder and retail quota ?? expert reply
865.1. Vipul M Shah |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 9:25:27 AM (400+ Posts)
Yes U can apply in both the categories retail as well as policy holder quota with the same PAN no.
864. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 10:58:59 PM
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LIC IPO

GMP 31 +/- 1
Kostak 285 +/- 10
Subject2 @400/-
864.3. bipin kedia |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 11:21:18 PM
Eagleye
Please quote campus gmp
864.4. Alert |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 1:56:13 AM
🦅 👁️ apne lic ipo apply kea hai?
863. ex ipo opraretor |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2022 12:53:39 AM
ye hoti he 1 vote ki takat..🔥
people vote for modiji aur unhone jo jan dhan yojna karayi.. jis tarah se bank me account open hue aur uski vajah se LIC aaj 53 lakh cross kar gaya...🔥
862. Jay. |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 11:46:56 PM
Please read this important article:

How to evaluate LIC IPO and other insurance companies?

Based on the valuation of its initial public offering (IPO), Life Insurance Corporation of India (LIC) is likely to be among the top three or five companies by market capitalisation after its listing, worth around $80 to $100 billion.

Market capitalisation is the valuation of a company by Mr Market at any point of time, depending on the prevailing investor sentiment for the overall equity market, the specific sector or industry and the specific entity.

A scientific investor can independently think about the actual value of the company on an objective basis and then compare it with its current market value.

If the actual or intrinsic value of the company is much higher than its prevailing market value, the investor can consider buying shares in it; when the intrinsic value is lower than market value, one can consider selling the stock and taking profit.

The question is this: how does one value life insurance companies?

The components of value are as follows:

Real estate held

Value of other non-operating assets

Value of existing business

Value of future business

According to various sources of information, LIC has thousands of buildings across cities. The value of these assets could be in lakhs of crore but needs to be determined on the basis of specifics.

The main component of value is the value of existing business. This is the primary component in the embedded value calculation and is estimated at nearly Rs 5.4 lakh crore.

On top of this one can add the value of future business depending on the rate of growth. Keep in mind that India is a highly underpenetrated market as far as life insurance is concerned.

Growth can go on for decades. Estimates for the insurance industry's growth are in the range of 13-15% for the next five years or so. It is likely that LIC grows slower than the industry, but still close to double digits or high single digit.

What is the concept of embedded value?

Due to the long-term mutual commitment of the customer and life insurers to each other, life insurance business is very different from any other business. And Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) do not reveal the true economics of the business, so the use of traditional ratios like Price-to-Earnings or Price-to-Book Value does not make sense. On these traditional valuation metrics, life insurance companies would always look overvalued.

For example, currently, listed life insurance companies are trading at PE ratios ranging from 70 to 100. At the upper end of its IPO price band, LIC would trade at nearly 200.

The correct way to value a life insurance player is to value the committed business from each policyholder over the lifetime. For example, an individual policyholder will pay a fixed premium for the next 20 years and there is some likelihood of paying for his life within that period.

The expected surplus left after paying off a policyholder is the profit to the company. Then there is the concept of present value—that getting Rs. 100 today has more value than getting Rs 100 one year later.

Without getting into the nitty-gritty of these concepts, one can value a group of customers of a life insurance company using this concept of embedded value. Then there is additional value from selling additional products and services to the same customer and value to the company from getting new customers.

How does a life insurer make money?

It becomes important to understand how a life insurance business makes money. In life insurance, the customer is paying the insurance company an annual premium to ensure that on his death a certain sum—the sum assured—is paid to the nominees or beneficiaries, typically, his wife or children.

The insurance company is receiving this premium from numerous other individual customers annually, say, thousands to hundreds of thousands of customers. However, only a very small fraction, typically less than 1%, of these customers, are going to die in any given year. The younger the age group, the lower is the mortality i.e., the death rate, and hence the annual premium charged is lower.

If the insurance company estimates the chances of paying out accurately and prices the annual premiums to be paid appropriately, it will be in profits over the lifetime of the policy. Thus, each policy has an embedded value which is positive if the insurance premium is priced properly.

Each insurance company has a team of experts called actuaries who are enabled with an extremely large sets of data and mathematical models to estimate the survival rates and death rates of different groups of individuals based on their age, gender, background, and medical history etc. Actuarial science is quite accurate.

LIC's IPO is at a Price-to-Embedded value (PEmV) of 1.1, compared to the other listed insurance rivals with a PEmV of 2.5 to 4.

The PEmV incorporates the value of new business the company is likely to generate in the future. With private entities likely to grow faster, they are justified in having a higher PEmV compared to LIC, but it looks likely that a 1.1 PEmV is probably understated. Further, the value of real estate is probably not accounted for in the LIC valuation. This could provide a hidden value to investors. However, when, and how it will be unlocked is clearly not known and is something which is completely beyond the control of minority investors. But it does provide a margin of safety.

If LIC starts becoming more efficient and increases its focus on pure-term and ULIP-like products, its profitability could increase. ULIP is short for Unit-Linked Insurance Plan. These and other factors could further increase its value. Also, an aggressive growth focus like private players could also increase the value of future business.

Valued at a significant discount

The expected growth of the listed private players is higher compared to LIC and hence the premium. How much should be the premium based on how much these existing private players grow faster than LIC is a question for detailed calculations and assumptions.

Prima facie, it does look like LIC is available at a significant discount compared to the listed insurers. After the IPO, too, it is likely to be at a discount to the other listed life insurance companies. It is likely to be in the top-five largest companies in India, by market capitalisation, after the listing.

Of course, this discussion cannot be taken as investment advice. One must do one's own analysis and see if it makes sense to invest in the state-owned insurer. There is no hurry. Once the company is listed, its stock will be available for ever. The scientific investor invests at the time and price of his or her choosing and is not dictated to by market forces.
862.1. Jay R.D |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2022 12:47:49 PM
DO READ THIS ABOVE ARTICLE BEFORE AVOIDING / APPLYING IN THIS IPO
861. Jayesh Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 11:32:44 PM
Latest GMP

Campus 49

LIC 32/34

Rainbow -15 (Discount)
861.1. Jayesh Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 11:35:47 PM
In CAMPUS GMP is 40 instead of 49
860. MAPatel |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 1:51:06 PM
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LIC Retails Applications cross 50 Lakhs

860.6. Jetha Lal |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:09:48 PM
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@Ganesh Jaiswal are you sure about application made for Rpower?
I think hardly 1 crore Dmat account were there in 2008.
Can you provide me some link to verify Rpower subscription application number?

In LIC 53.88 lakh applications have already been made and two days more to go. It will surely cross 75 lakhs application because last day many people will rush for it.
860.7. amit K singh |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks to our LIC agents.. they deserve kudos..
859. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 8:00:16 PM (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
Application wise subscription will cross 2 times till Monday 7 pm my expectations...if Lic ipo list at 10 to 15 % premium this 90 lakh applications will repeat in next gud IPOs...so allotment will get tougher and tougher in future IPOs......There r in all 6 crore active demat accounts in India....day by day growing....
859.1. amit K singh |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 11:10:25 PM
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True, it will tough to get allotment in future good ipos.

But positive is huge retail participation will be good for secondary market also..

In a country of 140crore population, retail participation yet to cross 1 crore.. there is lot of gap..eventually retail penetration will improve in every passing day..

For a moment keep cdsl a side Not sure how many registered users in our own chittorgarh .. lots of opportunities here also in future...
858. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 8:58:20 PM
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LIC IPO

Issue Price = 1.112 X Embedded Value (as of Sept’21)
Market Cap = 1.112 X 5,39,686 Crs = 6,00,242Crs
Rate per Share = MarketCap ÷ No. of Outstanding Shares
= 6,00,242Crs ÷ 6,32,49,97,701 = 949/-

Fair Value = 1.25 X Embedded Value (as of Sept’21)
Market Cap = 1.25 X 5,39,686 Crs = 6,74,608 Crs
Rate per Share = MarketCap ÷ No. of Outstanding Shares
= 6,74,608Crs ÷ 6,32,49,97,701 = 1,067/-
858.2. Jainvipul |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 10:04:07 PM
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Sir ye calculation ko avoid kare 1 month pahle ki hain

Fair Value = 3.00 X Embedded Value (as of Sept’21)
Market Cap = 3.00 X 5,39,686 Crs = 16,19,058 Crs
Rate per Share = MarketCap ÷ No. of Outstanding Shares = 16,19,058 Crs ÷ 6,32,49,97,701 = 2,560/-
858.3. Varshaa |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 10:08:55 PM
Nice promotion 👍
857. Pka |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 9:58:50 PM
HOW CAN I CHECK THAT PAN NO IS LINKED TO MY POLICY OR NOT
856. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 8:56:50 PM
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*LIC IPO*

*Comparison with Peer Group* 06/May

HDFC Life | CMP = 567.00 | No. of Shares = 2,11,26,19,161 | MCap = 1,19,786Crs. | Embedded Value = 30,048Crs. | MCap / EV = *3.986*

SBI Life | CMP = 1,068.95 | No. of Shares = 1,00,03,70,562 | MCap = 1,06,935Crs. | Embedded Value = 39,630Crs. | MCap / EV = *2.698*

ICICI Life | CMP = 509.90 | No. of Shares = 1,43,73,26,411 | MCap = 73,289Crs. | Embedded Value = 31,625Crs. | MCap / EV = *2.317*

And,
*LIC IPO | Issue Price = 949 | No. of Shares = 6,32,49,97,701 | MCap = 6,00,242Crs. | Embedded Value = 5,39,686Crs. | MCap / EV = 1.112*
856.1. YUDI ROCK ON |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 9:40:25 PM
Respected @EagleEye thanks for this calculation but please tell me one thing Is it good to be low market cap/ EV
855. Hashsting |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 8:00:54 PM
What's your take on buying CDSL in accordance with LIC IPO... March 2022 data suggests there are around 9cr deemat accounts... post IPO we may see this number go beyond 12cr or even 15...

My only concern is Most of these Surged Accounts will become obsolete post IPO and the Effect will be imminent..
855.1. Avenue |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 8:41:13 PM
@Hashsting.... It will bea very risky decision if the mentioned reason is the only parameter.
855.2. Hashsting |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 9:31:12 PM
@Avenue You are Definitely Right...
But I'm just Seeing It as something that has Multiple Emotions. One can make it Rise and Other to make it Fall. In other words what's the likelyness of CDSL getting PUMP and DUMP
854. Common man view |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 9:29:48 PM
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@eagleye
Respected ipo guru..we are not capable enough to compare which stock is economical..viable to invest...portfolio stock..or listing gain candidate...pls give your own opinion whether to apply or not...that is what common people want from all ipo expert in this forum..
Thanks
853. IPOINPUT |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:59:34 PM
Can online application be mad tomorrow on Sunday using SBI ASBA ? Or online physical application accepted on Sunday.
853.1. antarix |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 8:29:04 PM
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Yes, online application through SBI ASBA can be made on Sunday.
852. dngohel |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:37:25 PM
How much application wise subscription? Is there any chance to get full Allotement in 2Lakh application after rejection?
852.1. Team Chittorgarh.com |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:51:43 PM
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The application wise subscription informaition is not available today. Pls wait till Money morning.

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852.2. ganesh jaiswal |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:51:45 PM
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No chances of full and firm allotment of maximum applicable lot in retail.

Application wise subscription is 55 lakhs
851. Karan HNI guru |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:37:06 PM
This will surely gonna give surprise good listing
My guess is HNI will be 10x QIB more then 20x

850. AJS |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2022 7:30:52 PM
Have a feeling that the IPO will be super hit