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209. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 9:56:56 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Donot understand the prob. With LT IPOs..
Seller everywhere !!!(with cont. dropping in GMP)
208. Abhicho Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 6:36:40 PM
Eagle Eye, you where the only reason I visited the forum. Please come back or let me know how to get in touch with you.
Your expert advice was impeccable.

Thanks for reading this message.
208.1. SD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 7:46:16 PM
Same here
207. HEMIPO |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 5:55:19 PM
Lnt app. premium no buyer only seller. Icici app. 700/-
206. Carn Mohan |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 5:49:02 PM
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Fair value ICICI Rs 350/
L&T Rs 650/
206.1. Ashish Khater |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 7:08:51 PM
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Tell d calculations....don''t just post the values
Jai Jinendra....Jai Shree Ram
206.2. Mann Ki Baat |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 2:58:00 AM
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Please share the calculation of ICICI
205. CLD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 1:28:20 PM
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It seems that Eagleye has not read my message otherwise she would have posted her views about IPOS . All are waiting for her GMP info. I am reproducing my message for her & for all others below.
205.1. CLD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 1:30:45 PM
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You left the forum because of offensive comments from someone on the forum. You must have read an old story in your childhood that a ponnywalla who while fulfilling the wishes of all passerby lost his ponny. A person cannot satisfy all. There are always critics to any person''''s goodwork.
A good person is he who does not care for his critics rather learns possible lapses & improves himself. He never stops his good work due to criticism.
Father of Nation, Mahata Ghandhi, had also many critics but he never got distracted from his goal of service to nation. Nathu Ram Godse was one of his critics who took his life but Mahatma never cared for the threat to his life during the entite freedom struggle period.

Our PM Modi ji is possibly having the maximum number of critics any PM has had so far but he never cares about it & serves the nation day & night with full dedication.

There is an old saying that if you throw a stone in the mud then dirt will come to you.

Your good work is being appreciated by almost all so why bother about a few who critise you for whatsoever reasons they have. Don''''t retaliate them. Ignore them. If you do good work it will always get appreciated.

You may go wrong in your assessment some times but that is part of the stock market. Everybody knows that in stock market no body is 100% correct.

In the end I advise both of you & all other knowledgeable members who sincerely work hard for other''''s benefits to continue their goodwork & do not fall prey to trouble shooters.
205.2. RT |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 4:30:03 PM
Good write-up by CLD. I totally agreed with his valuable wordings.
204. unknown |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 12:41:58 PM
Kostak closed
203. pablo Escobar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 12:32:15 PM
Escobar is back with it''s crap.
( yes , counting money is really time taking process..:p)

As i said before ,,GMP will rise to 90(now upto 55 only) again but not as u think.this is quite tricky job to run gmp without being known by retailer.

GmP will steep rise like ThurstSSC(fastest vehical on land with 1228km/h) after subscrip. Over 100x by NIIs.

So, if GMP move forward from now(will surely) plz do not apply . Because i want full allotment . Understood?? .
203.1. HKG |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 3:16:37 PM
today GMP 45-47 in L&T Tech
202. Lokesh Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 10:26:05 AM
L&T Technology Services IPO - S P Tulsian

L&T Technology Services is entering the primary market on Monday 12th September 2016, with an offer for sale (OFS) of upto 1.04 crore equity shares of Rs. 2 each, in the price band of Rs. 850 to Rs. 860 per share. Entire OFS is by promoter L&T, currently holding 100% stake, who’s holding will reduce to 89.77% post issue. Representing 10.2% of the post issue paid-up capital, issue will raise Rs. 884 crore and Rs. 894 crore at the lower and upper price band respectively and will close on Thursday 15th September.

Engineering major L&T’s wholly owned subsidiary, L&T Technology Services, provides IT services for Engineering, Research and Development (ER&D) through 12 delivery centres (6 in India, 6 overseas) and 31 labs, serving key markets of North America (64% of Q1FY17 revenue) and Europe (20%). Among industry verticals, transportation (32% of revenue) and industrial products (26%) are key, followed by telecom and hi-tech (19%), process industry (16%) and medical devices (7%). It counts the likes of BMW, Calsonic Kansai, Caterpillar, Danaher, Eaton, Intel, John Deere, P&G, Rockwell Automation, Scania, Shell and UTC among its clients.

Established in 2014, through a group restructuring exercise, company has a current headcount of 9,419 employees, with attrition rate of 13.2% (Q1FY17). FY16 consolidated revenue in USD terms grew 9.4% YoY to USD 468 million, resulting in 17% YoY growth in Rupee revenue to Rs. 3,067 crore. EBITDA margin strengthened to 19.5% from 16.2% in FY15, as EBITDA expanded 41% YoY to Rs. 597 crore. Consolidated net profit in FY16 also surged 34% YoY to Rs. 417 crore (Rs. 311 crore in FY15), yielding a diluted EPS of Rs. 32.10.

Coming on to its Q1FY17 earnings, USD revenue grew 6.9% YoY to USD 120 million, impacted by slowdown in oil and gas (part of process industry segment) and US agricultural equipment industries (part of transportation segment). Rupee revenue grew 12.6% YoY to Rs. 803 crore, while EBITDA margin improved to 23.1% leading to EBITDA of Rs. 186 crore and PAT of Rs. 124 crore, translating into net margin and diluted EPS of 15.4% and Rs. 11.02 respectively for the first quarter.

Equity, as on 31-06-2016, is tiny at Rs. 20.34 crore (FV Rs. 2 each), with net worth of Rs. 1,127 crore. Consolidated total debt (all short term) of Rs. 201 crore, while cash and equivalents of Rs. 188 crore translate into net debt of Rs.12 crore. At the upper end of the price band of Rs. 860, company is seeking market cap of Rs. 8,745 crore and EV of Rs. 8,757 crore. This leads to EV/EBITDA multiple of 14.7x and 11.0x for FY16 and FY17 respectively and PE multiple of 21.0x and 16.8x for FY16 and FY17 respectively.

Even though L&T Technology operates in the niche space, margins are not the best in class (lags group peer L&T Infotech as also trails the biggies by good 500-600 basis points), although margins are on a rise.

On the pricing front, valuation also looks steep when compared with L&T Infotech Rs. 1,236 crore IPO, which offered shares, just 2 months back, at EV/EBITDA and PE multiples of 9x and 13x times respectively. Despite bumper subscription, L&T Infotech witnessed muted listing on the bourses, at Rs. 697, vis-a-vis IPO price of Rs. 710. Now, share price of L&T Infotech has not only corrected by 8% to Rs. 652, it is currently ruling at EV/EBITDA and PE multiples of 7x and 11x respectively, despite having higher margins than L&T Technology. L&T Infotech’s muted listing coupled with current market price below issue price, will both, weigh heavily on this IPO. Investors have not been rewarded in the earlier IPO, from the same group and the same industry, will have little incentive to throw the hat in the ring.

Moreover, over the past 2 months, market sentiments have not improved, especially for the IT sector, on account of Brexit and cross currency headwinds. Although company has barely 2% of revenue currently from UK, some of its customers do have significant business from UK, which could lead to reduced spending on ER&D services. Slow growth and macroeconomic uncertainties have contracted earnings of IT companies (seen in both Q4FY16 and Q1 FY17 results), leading to sentiment of caution on the sector among investors. DIIs now seem to be turning attention towards domestic IT players, with limited exposure to global shocks, and dominant position in domestic markets.

Despite healthy balance-sheet and improving margins, one can give this IPO a miss, given the poor show of L&T Infotech IPO as well as unattractive pricing in the current issue, coupled with negative sentiments now prevailing for IT stocks, leaving little-to-no room for appreciation.

Disclosure: No Interest

https://www.sptulsian.com/article/89477/lt-technology-services
202.2. Atul Kumar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 8:25:36 PM
I heard that sptulsian recommendation at free zone and to paid members are opposite for the same issue.I do agree that several of his analysis went wrong horribly eg manpasand beverages, inter globe aviation, but let us not forget they are published in free zone area The Indian proverb.Hathi ke daant khane ke aur and dikhane ke aur
In my opinion, its an excellent issue at this price.The co. Is 3 times that of Tata elexi and still cheaper than it.
Have your own assessment and then take a decision
202.3. TSK |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 9:00:40 PM
@Atul Kumar: I don''t think a smaller company needs to have a cheaper valuations. The P/E of L&T is ~27 at the offer price of 860 while that of Tata Elxsi (TE) is ~31. TE is trading near to its 52 week low and I won''t be surprised if it breaks 1500 on the downside soon which will bring its PE under 30. At PE 30 what you getting is a better and bigger brand, TATA, better margins (~23%) as compare to LTT (~17%), better RONW, ~40% as compared to LTTs ~38%, no debt etc. Based on my analysis, Tata Elxsi at < 1500 is worth more than LTT at 860 and based on the current numbers, I don;t think LTT should get better valuations that Tata Elxsi.
201. Carn Mohan |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 6:34:25 AM
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New post on ipoandmore


L&T Technology Services: Run up to the IPO
by ipoandmore
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(This page tries to consolidate opinion and recommendation of brokers, Analysts, Business New papers etc on the IPO and shall be updated continuously till the closure of IPO)

Related Posts : L&T Technology Services: First Look

Brokerage Views / Analysts / Business Newspapers:

Capital Market : 49/100. Implies a good rating. Point to remember is that the magazine had given a rating of 48/100 to L&T Infotech IPO also. Hence it is purely from long term point of view.
SMC : Suitable for Long Term Investors only
Sptulsian.com – “Can give this ipo a miss”. Reasons “ Poor show of L&T Infotech, Stiff price, Negative sentiments for IT sector in general.
Yogesh Nagaonkar, VP, institutional equities at Bonanza Portfolio: "Do not recommend the stock to investors. If you look at both L&T Infotech and this company, they are priced quite high. I doubt if the stock will touch the offer price. There could also be questions on the project execution capability front. Though L&T Technology deals with a niche set of products and services, the company''s peers Tata Elxsi and Cyient are both relatively older players”
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200. Kabali ka Baap |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 2:42:43 AM
L & T group is useless
199. MONEYSUKH |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 12:23:43 AM
how can i sell my applications? i am from agra........
199.1. AKH |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 10:44:45 AM
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Ask your broker
198. Ajent |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 12:12:36 AM
Retail investors Do Not Apply. You will lose money.
197. Aadiesh jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 10:54:08 PM
what will be the status after listing
196. Ipo tracker |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 10:39:00 PM (500+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
One observation,
In L&TTS`s anchor book majorty are foreign funds.
L&T info:s anchor book had majority of insurance funds.
196.1. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 8:30:24 AM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Nice
195. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 9:46:45 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Nearly 227500 forms req. For 1x time in retailer cat.
So one can easily assume that 4-4.5x appwise possible

So yes, allotement will b not easy.

Eventhough there is ''" Lot''s of negativity''"
194. Jain nitesh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 9:04:33 PM
Anchor book is very bad now again no Buyer
194.1. Sampat Kumar Roy |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 1:09:39 PM
No one wants to burn their finger twice.
193. sandip modi |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 8:42:27 PM
Grey market Ahmedabad fom price
192. NRJAIN |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 8:27:30 PM
normaly when ammount is blok after closing date of ipo?if IPL ipo is close 21 sep then when ammount is blok for them?
191. Lokesh Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 7:47:04 PM
L&T Technology Services Ltd - Allocation to Anchor Investors

1 Sundaram Mutual Fund 2,90,576 9.31%
2 Dsp Blackrock Focus 25 Fund 2,21,008 7.08%
3 Fil Investments (Mauritius) Ltd 2,09,296 6.71%
4 Blackrock India Equities (Mauritius) Limited 2,09,296 6.71%
5 Parvest Equity World Emerging 2,09,296 6.71%
6 Jp Morgan Funds 1,51,152 4.84%
7 Jp Morgan India Smaller Companies Fund 58,144 1.86%
8 Oaktree Emerging Markets Mauritius Holdings Limited 72,998 2.34%
9 Vanguard Emerging Markets Select Stock Fund 73,646 2.36%
10 National Pension Service Managed By Oaktree Capital Management L.P 1,90,604 6.11%
11 HDFC Trustee Company Limited 2,21,008 7.08%
12 ICICI Prudential Life Insurance Company Limited 2,17,808 6.98%
13 Canara Robeco Mutual Fund 2,21,008 7.08%
14 Tata Mutual Fund 1,45,344 4.66%
15 Integrated Core Strategies Asia Pte Ltd 83,248 2.67%
16 Indus India Fund (Mauritius) Limited 83,200 2.67%
17 Copthall Mauritius Investment Limited 2,44,176 7.83%
18 Macquarie Emerging Markets Asian Trading Pte Ltd. 58,192 1.87%
19 Morgan Stanley Mauritius Company Limited 1,60,000 5.13%



Total Allocation :- 31,20,000
Total Amount :- 268.32 Crores
190. Mumbai DON |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 7:45:47 PM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Purely faltu ipo bcoz of expensive price.
Companies tries to rumour Of fake GMP and trying to attracts customers.
Yeh galti dobara mat krna dosto.
Good to buy on listing day.
Surely u vil get below 800.
lac% sure news.
Baki apni apni soch.
190.1. Sampat Kumar Roy |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 1:13:23 PM
Ekdam 100 taka sach che.