............... Khadim''s.................... Fashion for everyone!!! _____________________________________ =>2nd largest footwear(as per retail stores concerned) =>Good presence in East and south => 829 retail Khadim''s stores => m.cap = 1350cr near _________________________________ Avg price of acquisition : Promotor : Knightsville Private Limited = Rs 3.52 Siddhartha Roy Burman = Rs 6.55 PE investor : Fairwinds = Rs 153.79 __________________________________ Valuation : @750 rs, PE 2017 = 43
FY18 Q1 EPS =4.11 (should b max that any footwear brand post in whole yr, check bata, relaxo)
Expected 2018 EPS 13-15. Take 14=> PE : 53 _______________________________________ Peer: ............ .....Khadim... Bata.... Relaxo... Liberty
PE(2017)........43.......60......50......67 PE(2018)*......53........55......45.....80 Margin...........5%......6.5%.....7%....1.28% Ronw............16%......12%.....21%.....4% Sales cagr.... 10%......5%.......15%.....8% PaT cagr..... 32%**......-.........28%......4%
**Posted loss in 2015 so not much reliable *expected ________________________________________ Branded Footwear expected to grow 15% CAGR in nxt 5 yr, but how much u taking Khadim as a brand, depends on u and ur location !!!
Macchar maar rhe hote hai ye bade brand wale sare din, in hope of koi murga aa jaye aur hum pakda de!! Competition will only get tougher and tougher from here on, hundreds of local brand emerging, difficult to sustain for khadims even at 5% margin imo.
I M seeing whole footwear industry as a overvalued as per current scenario, Yes, Relaxo may be good pick if targeting 2-3 years
My fair price : 50PE 2018 = 14*50 = 700INR or below.
Giving 50PE just based on peers and mkt conditions, otherwise should not command above 40 PE imo.
Concl....
As per grey and mkt conditions you may get some like 5% listing gain but i m not seeing any, If really want to confirm listing gain then wait and watch till last day subscription.
Gambleji, Just want to say... It has no presence in south... Believe me, we never heard off such a Brand... and from name itself clear, south wont accept such brands !!
69.3 shankey > Agree and I check status in blore, Chennai and Kochi .. Realized shops are there, But not sure, did this gets attention here like Bata , Nike , Adidas , Shoe Mart, Relaxo, Reebok etc. (believe me there are at least hundred foot wear shop we can remember in blore/Chennai which have much name and publicity than this). in my case, First time I am hearing such a brand !! Not saying this brand is bad or not good.. sharing an opinion as blorean !
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November 1, 2017 1:36:57 PM
IPO Guru (2400+ Posts, 5300+ Likes)
@ Shankey more then 12 stores there in Hyderabad
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November 2, 2017 10:39:31 AM
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Gamble Sir, thank you so much sharing your perspective. We are blessed to have you here. Thank you for everything. God Bless you sir...
What do you think of Sreeleathers Sir in the current scenario especially whe it is debt-free like Bata? Dont u think there is a chance for it to outperform its peers?
@Aniketji SPTL upto nxt Diwali good, but daily dipping let''s wait for some upmove signals imo.
@Thapanji many time suggested strategy of capacit''E @350@340@335 and now @370 also same.... Hold and see ur wealth growing. Yes some consolidation may occur btwn 375-390 due to frustration of listing day buyers or some profit bookin of recent Negligible rally !! After Q1+Q2 results let''s see if any change needed in strategy or not.
@devudaji Yes good buy and hold candidate sreeleathers, and much better margin 13% (vs khadim''s 5%) may due to other leather products like wallets, bags including footwear. So Yes One may take call for mid term in sreeleathers (28 PE 2018, PEG 0.8, D/E 0).
Annualized EPS = 17.8 and not 14 as assumed. Yesterday Bata announce EPS 1H around Rs 8. If you use your own PE of 50 ( 50x14 with your assum EPS 14) 50x17 should be about 850. Players are just exploiting the trade to their advantag, with one respected guy saying fair price is only 580?
Galabhai don''t know, sharp fall in mkt is half reason other may b rcom, today i averaged rhfL but now no more fresh buying.don''t kn whether it''s worth averaging or not.
Go to bse site ,and download asba blank form , which would be 3set ,2nd set of form for revised bid , submit 2nd form as revised bid at lower band .That should be way for non allotment.
1)Super House and 2) Sreeleathers are two of its peers with not bad fundamentals and not in bubble trend. One can bet for long term after self analysis !
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November 4, 2017 12:56:26 PM
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@GAMBLE Sir, Thanks for your comment. Holding SPTL since 2013 before demerger @28 . Q2 result of 2017and management commentary is not up to the mark but still I hope for better appreciation for mid /long term.
@rajkumar bidding available for online through net banking
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November 4, 2017 11:59:43 AM
(1100+ Posts, 1100+ Likes)
On holidays applications can be submittd online, but it will be executed on next working day on NSE/BSE i.e. monday (for this issue). Subscription figures not changed till applications executed on NSE/BSE.
******contemplating to invest more on MF and Secondary market******
Futures and options ....................experts................is it a risky game? I m new to this....and also can''t afford to lose being middle class...........
Okay, let me find find out how option trade works.......Thanks Arup Jamshed, if you have any ideas, you can give some inputs on how to do it...i will follow your msgs. Probably, can we dscuss in secondary market forum?
When u bullish in some stock u may take a call in the money ,i.e Tatasteel if u bullish tn take 720 call buy ,this position must be hedge sell a call of 740 or 760 .
All IPOs are coming under Insurance sector these days, boring stuff, no action, and also not profitable for us. The last hits were dixon and MAS. I think we have lost steam in the IPO sector. What is the use of so many crores of IPOs coming, no gains and keeping flat..........may be good for those companies, but not for us traders? I donno if the action will come back or has stopped with MAS!
My status of IPOs applied after MAS.
Astron Paper & Board Mill Ltd --------------------------> Yet to decide to apply or not apply.
HDFC Standard Life Insurance Company Ltd -----------------> Not applied.
Khadim India Limited ----------------->Not applied.
The New India Assurance Company Limited -----------------> Not applied.
Mahindra Logistics Limited -----------------> Not applied.
Reliance Nippon Life Asset Management Ltd -----------------> Applied, got a lot, yet to sell (probably on listing day)
General Insurance Corporation of India -----------------> Not applied.
Indian Energy Exchange Ltd -----------------> Not applied.
MAS Financial Services Ltd -----------------> Applied, got a lot and sold.
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Experts..pls guide me.. I''ve recently started applying for IPOs and I couldn''t understand the allotment logic when the issue is over subscribed. After going through messages in this forum, I finally came to this understanding.. 1)When the issue is oversubscribed, there is no difference between applying for 1 lot or more in the same application.. Is that true?? 2) Also, most people are suggesting to apply from different PAN numbers as different applications to increase the chance of allotment.. However, what I really didn''t get is, if suppose I apply for 2 lots in same application number, and during allotment process, if I''m alloted 1 Lot, then will my application number be considered for allotment process again for the 2nd lot or not..
PS:Some people post 2/4 , 3/6 allotment..Is that even possible, when the issue is oversubscribed?
Sheela Foam IPO could not be like ,but even then all are expensive and say so.
Sheela Foam IPO subscription detail Number of Times Subscribed (BSE + NSE) As on Date & Time QIB NII RII Total Shares Offered / Reserved 1,500,001 1,125,000 2,625,000 5,250,001 Day 1 - Nov 29, 2016 17:00 IST 0.0000 0.0000 0.0300 0.0100 Day 2 - Nov 30, 2016 17:00 IST 0.0900 0.0100 0.0700 0.0600 Day 3 - Dec 1, 2016 18:20 IST 14.5100 3.3500 0.4400 5.0900 Listing gain near 25%
Instead of applying 13 lots in one application? If I apply one lot each in six applications giving same DP ID number and PAN Number, whether all 6 forms will be rejected OR All 6 forms will be considered by the registrar
I applied for 13 lots / 767 shares of Reliance Nippon. Even though the retail portion was over subscribed by around 6 times, I thought I would be allotted 2 lots ( 118 shares). But nothing has been allotted Is there anybody to advise me on what basis the registrar is alloying shares in IPO I am from chennsi
In case of over subscription, allotment is based on lottery. So it does not matter how many lots you applied but how many applications you made. Next time instead of applying 13 lots in one application, try to apply for one lot in 13 different applications with distinct Pan numbers.
when issue is over subscribed, no difference between 1 lot or 13 lots. all are treated same. so in future apply for only one lot if you think the issue is going to be over subscribed.
it is purely based on lottery, you may refer basis of allotment. basis is allotment in this case is 2:9. it means out of 9 applicants, 1 lot will be alloted to 2 applicants.
When over-subscribed under retail category, each application can get atmost 1 lot. No application gets 2 or more when over-subscribed under retail category
Khadim India has allocated shares worth Rs 157.5 crore to 13 anchor investors at the upper end of the Rs 745 - 750 price band set for the IPO.
The company has sold shares to institutional investors as part of its anchor book allocation. The anchor investors include Franklin India, UTI Mutual Fund, HSBC Global Investment Fund, Nomura Singapore, Sundaram Mutual Fund, Aurigin Master Fund, Principal Mutual Fund, Forefront Alternative Investment Trust, Birla Sunlife Insurance and IDFC Mutual Fund.
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November 3, 2017 5:45:57 PM
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Khadim India Ltd. IPO: Subscription figures on day 2 (BSE+NSE) @5:40pm:- QIB - 9%** HNI - 3% Retail - 83% Total - 45% Let''s wait for tomorrow although I am going to avoid this.