How are shares alloted for NIIs if there is over subscription. Do all NII applicants get same number of shares allotted no matter how much you applied for?
No all applicants don''t get same number of shares. Say if HNI subscription is 200x then anyone who applies 200 lots or more gets firm allotment depending upon various factors. Anyone applying below 200 lots is lottery (again depending on various factors) which is very difficult in HNI. Don''t apply in HNI. Apply multiple single lot Retail applications to increase chance of allotment. P.S. I have explained allotment process in details Bectors and other IPOs.
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January 18, 2021 4:10:12 PM
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Indigo Paints is valued at 148x its post-issue FY20 EPS of Rs 10.05
For those who have doubts on Cut off Time to authorize UPI mandate:
Is there any timeline by which I need to act upon the block request?
Yes. As per the indicative activity wise timeline prescribed in the SEBI Circular dated November 01, 2018, in Phase I, all block requests which have not been acted upon by 12:00 p.m. on T+2 day i.e. two days after closure of the issue, would lapse. In Phase II, all block / collect requests which have not been acted upon by 12:00 p.m. on T+1 day i.e. one day after closure of the issue, would lapse. Note: Please follow the Phase II timeline. (Phase I is over!)
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January 15, 2021 8:53:15 AM
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Minimum bid price is 65.65
@cut off price
*** NOTE *** It MAY BE POSSIBLE that current price of (i.e. around 69) may be lower than cut off price (as happens in Wendt ofs, shares of Wendt throughout day trading around 3125-50 and in last 45 minutes above 3500 and cut off price of Wendt is 3572.65)
so you have to take decision urself, about buying from market or through ofs.
2 years ago I applied in ofs through upstox. The executive did not have any idea how to apply at cut off price. Now I have zerodha account also. If I apply through zerodha say 1000 shares at cut off price will zerodha block 67000 or 69000 or what amount?
Thanks for reply. So it is almost like assured allotment say more than 90% chances if one applies at cut off price?
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January 15, 2021 10:43:57 AM
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yes, likely
but if @clearing price, bids are more than the issue size, then allotment will be on proportional basis
For zerodha, *--------------* The cut off time for placing OFS orders is 2:30 PM on the offer end date. Ensure sufficient funds in your trading account on the offer end date before the cut off time to get the allotment. A charge of Rs.20+GST per order will be charged for every OFS order placed. Zerodha will not be funding your OFS Purchase. However, if your account results in a debit for any reason, post allotment of OFS, interest at the rate of 0.05% will be charged on the debit balance.
***** IN IRCTC OFS there is an issue with Zerodha, as orders rejected submitted through zerodha.
In zerodha i tried to apply. When I select cut off price it shows 65.65. if I apply at cut off price and bid is submitted at 65.65 most probably I shall not get allotment
Those who are applying at cut off price won''t be alloted. Better that you cancell your application rather than paying charges to your broker for applying fpo 👍
yes, u will be allotted, but might be some shares short to 900 (if total bidding from @cut off price is more than total issue size) clearing price will be declared in evening, it may be 68.05 as per bidding status
Are you sure Mem? I bidded at 67.15 while Total available for Retail is 5.16 crore something while more than 5.16 crore are bidded above 67.4 Pls guide mem how did you came to price 66.1🙏
Sebi should make cut off for RETAIL different from GENERAL category. It should not be based on the indicative price of GENERAL category. The lowest price point at which offered shares gets bidded, should be the cutoff price for retail and all cutoff bidders should be added to that and allotment be made proportianately to all. In SAIL OFS, suppose 68 was the lowest price point, above which offered shares are bidded, then all cutoff bids + 68 and above bidders should be clubbed together for proportianate allotment. Otherwise there is no meaning of applying at CUTOFF price.
i applied for sail ofs through zerodha at cut off price. i received an email from zerodha stating that bid has been submitted. so far i have not received any further communication from zerodha or any other organisation. neither there are any sail shares in my holding in zerodha nor any amount has been debited from my trading balance. should i wait till tomorrow or should i use balance in my trading account assuming that sail shares have not been allotted to me ?
@Investormahesh If you had applied in retail category at cut-off then there was no allotment. Cut-off price was 75.65 and retail clearing price was 77.35
@investormahesh ji No share has been allotted to you. In zerodha, they informed you that they have submitted your bid, that does not mean allotment. Cutoff price was 65.65, while the allotment price was 67.35 and above. Remember in OFS, cutoff price is the clearance price of non retail category clearance price. In IPO, the cut off price is highest price of band, but in OFS it is quite different.
Johny and Jaiswal Sirs thanks for reply. one person told on this forum that if one applies selecting cut off option then he will receive some shares (proportionate allotment)
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January 18, 2021 6:51:32 AM
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@investormahesh - maybe that person is not aware of OFS allotment process.
@crsl I applied through zerodha and selected cut off option. I didn''t get allotment but no regrets such opportunities keep coming. I think your interpretation is partially correct. As per a person on another forum my application might have been considered at 2nd day cut off price (not 65.65 but 67.35) but allotment at that price is not proportional but on first come first served basis
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January 19, 2021 8:09:28 AM
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@investormahesh
found document clearly mentioned regarding allotment to retail cut off price, cut off price for retail is treated as clearing price of Non-Retail category, yes its my misinterpretation that cut off price is clearing price of retail & have no hesitation to regret for this. SEBI should rethink about word cut-off price in retail ofs as it indicates price at which shares issued to investors or it should be clearly mentioned as cut-off price of Non-retail or Base price, as base price for retail is non-retail clearing price.
BSE -- Revised Guidelines for Bidding in Offer for Sale (OFS) Segment ----- Dated : January18, 2019
1.7.1.Allocation to Retail Investors:
............. a) Seller may offer discount to RetailInvestorson the cut off price/bid price.
............. b) Allocation to Retail Investors bids at cut off price shall be made based on the cut-off price determined in the Non-Retail category.
........... c) In case the OFS issue is oversubscribed in retail category up till the last price point / cut-off price
................... I. For Price Priority (i.e. Multiple Price) Allocation method: All the bids in retail category shall receive proportionate allotment at the last price point/cut-off price.
...................II. For Proportionate (i.e. Single Price) Allocation method:all the bids in retail category till cut-off price shall receive proportionate allotment.
There were 15 Lacs pending shares sale order at 70.15 after market closed. Why didn''t you buy 2000 more at 70.15 and sale at 72 in pre-opening on Monday? Do you think earning money is so simple in stock market?
OFS = BTST for me...from last one year i am earning this way except irctc where due to Zerodha my bid was cancelled..HDFC AMC twice, HAL, Dishman Cargo, Indersol and many more... Risk is always there but max 3-5%
@sriprash if you bid above 67.35 then you will get 100% allotment...check mail received by zerodha .check also spam folder..
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January 16, 2021 7:42:13 AM
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My dear Why u did your bid at so much high price Before bid, need to check accumulative total at nse ofs section then u should apply only 0.5% above this accumulative total in last moment for confirm allotment
@parmod..applied higher price because of zerodha close time 2.30 PM while bid close time 3.30 PM...some time if my bid below cut off then zero allottment...i apply after looking at the CMP of share + bid details..at 2.30 PM as per bid cut off was 66.5 but by 3.30 PM it incraese to 67.35