373.4. Johny| Link| Bookmark|
January 26, 2021 9:21:00 AM
IPO Mentor (700+ Posts, 1000+ Likes)
Since it is oversubscribed 263x any one who has applied 264+ lots will get confirmed allotment. Below 264 lots is lottery which is very difficult in HNI. Always apply multiple retail applications to increase chances of allotment.
i have applied for indigo paints ipo through groww app using phone pay upi and still not received upi mandate request.so there are chance of getting allotment or not anyone hepl pls
368.1. Dowg| Link| Bookmark|
January 25, 2021 1:46:35 PM
Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
ASBA is an option given with online banking service.
368.2. Paymzia| Link| Bookmark|
January 25, 2021 1:54:02 PM
IPO Guru (2400+ Posts, 4500+ Likes)
Applications supported by blocked amount (ASBA)
Means when you applied an IPO amount is blocked by your bank until that IPO allotment over. If your application allotted then amount debited from your account. If not allowed for your application amount in your account .
I have SBI Account and has access to net banking as well... 1. Can I apply directly through Netbanking.... 2. If shares are allotted where they would credited and how can I sell them. I do have Zerodha account.
Please help with answers to my questions. Thanks in advance for help and support.
368.4. Paymzia| Link| Bookmark|
January 25, 2021 5:09:27 PM
IPO Guru (2400+ Posts, 4500+ Likes)
@ABIPO
First you have to register your DPID, DP client ID In your sbi account. Those fields give your zerodha details If shares are allotted. Those shares goes to your zerodha account , there you can sell .
I mean in RII if oversubscribed 20 times, chances are 1 in 20. what about HNI?
362.4. Faizan| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 1:40:10 PM
Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Both will be lottery, but in lottery as well, its probability 1. Retail Subscribtion may be arround 12x app wise. So probability 1:12 2. HNI Subscribtion may be arround 280x. Now in HNI number of lots applied matters. (Check BoA) Lets say you applied only 14 lots. Probability will be negligilbe around 1:70 Lets say apply 60 lots, probability will increase somewhat say 1:25 Lets say apply 140 lots, probability will increes somewhat say 1:8 Lets say apply 220 lots, probability will increes somewhat say 1:3 Lets say Applied 300 lots, sure allotment of 1 lot , :1:1
362.5. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 1:44:39 PM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
Avenue - Instead of 140 lots, try some odd lots say 139 or 141. This will increase your chance of one lot allotment.
Can you please explain how applying for some odd lots increase the chances of allotment compared to other slots? This is an interesting observation and I would like to know more about it. When I studied the BoA for Burger King IPO what I found was otherwise - applying for 10000 shares (40 lots) has more probability of getting one lot than applying for 9000 or 10,500 shares (36 or 41 lots). Below is the details from the BoA document for the three mentioned three categories:
Category - No.of applications received - Ratio of allotment 9000 - 36 - 1:9 10000 - 341 - 38:341 10500 - 18 - 1:9
What I found in general was higher the number of lots you apply, higher the chances of getting allotment. So one applies for 12000 shares has better chances of getting one lot compared to one applies for 10000 shares and so on. So if you are NII you have to apply to the maximum extent possible from your side - that is the only way to get an allotment barring few exceptions. I would like to hear expert views on this. Thanks!
362.7. sdz| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 11:57:09 AM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
Hi Avenue... Retail 1:11 chance and your NII 140lots 1:2 probability. All the best
362.8. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 9:04:46 PM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
@Chittorgarh Admin,
It seems many of my messages / replied to posts are lost. I had written long message explaining to Kring in this thread but somewhere lost.
Yesterday also I tried many messages to post in HFFCL, but all are lost. Then I tried one test message, surprisingly that appears. I am not sure what automated filter is been applied, but there were no offensive language is used. I am just trying to gain and help community by sharing my limited knowledge.
Thank you for your detailed response. Logically what you said makes sense as general tendency of people is to apply for round figure numbers be it IPO or secondary market. Even I was under the same impression until recently I saw the BoA for Burger King IPO. Take the below example of category 15500:
Category - No.of applications received - Ratio of allotment 15000 - 117 - 20:117 15500 - 2 - 0:2 16500 - 155 - 29:155
There were only 2 applications for 15500 category and as per your logic both or at least one of them should have got one lot allocated but actually both got zero!!
So my thinking is that while secondary market runs purely based on Bid and Ask prices (Demand and Supply), in case of IPOs since it is based on Proportionate basis I think there might be some rules to smoothen the curve of allotment ratio hence the regulators might remove the anomalies or aberrations like the above case. If this is true then there is no advantage at all for the odd lots with bare minimum number of applications compared to the adjacent lots. But I may be wrong - I don''t know the rules and BoA document provides only sample data hence cannot arrive at any conclusions based on the limited set of data provided.
Any views welcome. Thanks!
362.10. Faizan| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 10:54:39 PM
Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
@P Patel and @Kring - You both are correct in your respective comments. I ll tell you how you both can be correct.
As P Patel said, odd number of share have high because you can be only 1 to have applied for that category. Lets say issue subscribes 280x. You will have high chance only if you apply odd lots near to number of times of subscription. Because at high number of lots category Registrar tend to allot 1 lot. But at lower lots category Registrar allots 0 lots as well.
So lets say someone applied 173 lots (which is odd and quite near to 280) and is only 1 applicant of 173. There is high(almost sure) chance of 1 lot allotment. Ratio 1:1
But lets say someone applied 43 lots (which is odd but far from 280) and is only 1 applicant of 43. There is high (almost sure) chance of 0 allotment. Ratio here will be 0:1 just because it is less lots category.
We don''t get a full BoA, we get only sample of HNI allotment. Else we could have a sure proof of this. But this what I think happens.
To summarize, odd number lot application allotment works, but will work when number of lots applied is quite near number of times issue subscribed in HNI.
*INDIGO PAINTS IPO* *FOR HNI/NII GET 1 CONFIRM LOT OF 10 SHARES* IF THEY HAVE MADE A BID OF 2,631 SHARES (RS. 39,20,190/-) & MORE Interest cost @7.5% (7 Days) for each share Rs 572/- only *LISTING ABOUT = 1490+572= 2,062/- and more*
Indigo IPO closed on 22nd. Interest on funding starts from 23rd till 2nd feb. That is 11 days. Then in the message above, calculation is done on 7 days of interest?
361.2. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 5:29:14 PM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
@Mr.Baniya - Initiation of refund is on 29th that will be at 7th day. 2nd Feb is listing day. Interest calculation is till the funds are blocked.
HNI subscribed 263.05 times and so HNI''s whoever applied more than 2631 shares will atleast get 1lot i.e. 10 shares. So =2631*7.5/100*7/365*1490 =5638.62 Per share=564+charges. Is my understanding correct?
361.8. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 8:37:20 PM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
@GuruprasadP - Now your understanding is correct. Based on expected HNI subscription, one calculates how much to apply in HNI and what will be the cost to get at-least 1 lot. And will it listed above that price.
Can you explain how did you come up with the interest cost and relate that to the Listing Price ? I am new around here.
Thanks!
361.13. Adv Sarin| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 8:37:15 PM
Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
People with loan arrangements at cheaper rates or free funds have misused the HNI QUOTA by applying for whole 15% HNI QUOTA in one application. RBI has asked SEBI to restrict HNI limit to 1 Crore maximum. That will surely control this every issue going oversubscribed by hundreds of crores. A good step of RBI in bringing transparency to IPO market.
361.14. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 8:54:38 PM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
@Kring - Allotment in NII category is on proportionate basis. So higher the application lot, better the chance of allotment. We are on same page on this point.
Now say you have 15 lakhs spare amount in your saving account and you decide to use it and apply in NII category. Lets assume the offer price is of 1000/- per share and 1 lot = 15 shares.
Now as normal tendency of people, you will try to use maximum amount to apply. So you will apply some 100 Lots amounting Rs. 15,00,000. Now consider all those who has around 15 Lakhs will apply 100 lots and in this category there are many applicant.
Instead of 100 lots if you skip or increase by 1 or 2 lots and apply 98/99 or 101/102 lots, there is some probability that there are less applicant or some time only 1 applicant ( that is you ) in this odd category. In that case normally you will get confirm allotment.
If you have observed even in secondary market, same tendency people have when placing order for buy or sale. Mostly you see more orders in even amount v/s in odd lots. ie. at Rs. 200.00 there will be huge orders v/s 199.50 to 199.95 or 200.05 to 200.50.
By the way this is my assumption based on my personal experience in both Burger king and Mrs. Bectors and in both case I got allotted.
I may be wrong, but worth trying this technique when nothing to loose.
360. Adv Sarin| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 4:25:02 PM
Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
Dear Members on forum, We all apply in IPO''S waste our money, time and energy, if more investors apply Company gets more benefits but what applicants gets 1 out of 40. gets 1 lot shares. Confusing thing is when market lot is 1 for trading than what''s the compulsion of allotting shares in lots unless in the name of lottery some manipulations are going on. SEBI needs to reconsider and find a fail allotment system. The best way is make it proportionate allotment with minimum lot of 1 only. All the applicants who submit legally valid application must get at least some shares. For making application they can keep minimum quantity like present lots but for allotments it should be 1 share lot. If all of you agree we all needs to raise the voice. Good Luck.
Tell me somebody pls.... i am applying from 5 years.. Now i applied 2 ipos , total six applications from 3 accounts.. but do not get correct information on bse even of one application. Indigo application showing pending mandate and price Rs. 10... what is price 10...i do lnt know....why is showing incorrect info. Also. One of indigo application shows 2 bids , how ???? I make one bid, how bse split it into 2 bids of 10 and 10 shares each...whaaat is happening. Should i care information on bse or now..home finance ipo applcation are not showing on bse...?????????? What i do...where to complaint for this...
I think BSE Application Check Software has gone haywire...even my application is also showing in the same way. If you notice even PAN number shown is wrong. So no need to worry. If you have your e-mail/phone registered with them you will also receive confirmation via e-mail/sms. I got the e-mail from BSE with the correct details. If your application is not found on BSE then check NSE. Brokers like ICICI Direct use both exchanges. I hope it helps. Thanks!
357. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 12:57:11 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
for axis bank asba registeration, what will come in DP Id , client ID , Benificiary No, for zerodha from16 digit demat account number ?
You should select CSDL And then enter the 16 digit demat
357.2. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 10:31:47 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@vibhor I know it is cdsl and as I said it''s asking three things in cdsl, dp id , client id , beneficiary no. , So what to fill I each of that from the zerodha 16 digit demat account number?
357.3. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 2:39:06 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
someone applying from axis bank asba, please reply
Same question email to zerodha support he will reply you dont get panic
357.6. G.kumar| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 3:41:05 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
Lokes.ji slect CdSL enter ur 16 digit in beneficiary no. DP id nd clint id to be remained blank
356. sdz| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 11:59:47 AM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
I applied under NII 317 lots and 173 lots from two accounts. Hoping for 12 confirm +10 shares (60% chance) :) If anyone has different view please reply
@sdz, For the application with 317 lots you will get assured one lot plus additional few shares on proportionate basis if you are lucky. For the second application with 173 lots you may get one lot purely based on lottery. Thanks!
...and it is not 60% chance for 173 application. Your chance it determined by total how many applications received in 173 lots category. That is why I said it is pure lottery. Thanks!
356.3. sdz| Link| Bookmark|
January 24, 2021 1:35:29 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
Kring...yes, if only my application is received 100% chance as 1 lot will be allocated for 173 lots category. It''ll be 1:2 or so if 2 or more applications