@Vimal Garodia I applied in 4 demat accounts with same pan card. Grow,angel, upstox, 5 Paisa. How does it works. Can I get allotment or any default happens
I'm an employee of the company - Indegene! Can someone please explain me what oversubscription means in employees category? As per the data, total number of employees are b/w 5000-6000 across the globe. Let's say, 50% employees applied for IPO I.e 3000 employees. Does it mean that they will only get 1-1 lot each I.e 99000 shares in total? What about the pending 2 lac shares? Note: if all 5000 employees based in India apply, still only 1.6-1.7 lac shares will be sold in employee category, where will balance 1.3 lac shares go?
Over subscription vs potential allotment is super confusing!
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May 8, 2024 6:54:56 PM
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@NeilM A very rough estimate- every applicant will get ( applied number /6.62 ) number of shares. Those applying for less than that will get 1 lot on lottery basis varying on the approx.
@Safe Bet i applied 398 shares(one application only, obviously). What do you think is my chance as per subscription status today in employee category?
Will tell you few figures, rest of the maths you can do at your end to come to some understanding. 1. Total shares offered for Employees quota = 2,96,209 2. Actual applied = 19,62,114 3. Subscription = 1962114/296209 = 6.62 times (no. of shares wise) 4. Max. allowed per employee = Rs 5L 5. Max shares per employee = 500000/422 = 1184 Discount applicable = Rs 30, hence 452-30 = 422 considered 6. If all 5000 employees (only estimate) applied for full Rs 5L (theoretically), total shares applied for = 1184 x 5000 = 59,20,000 7. Total shares offered as in 1. above is much lower compared to figures in 6 (total potential Oversubscription is 19 times)8. Considering one lot (35 shares) for every employee, no. of successful applicants possible = 296209/35 = 8463 9.Every employee who has applied is expected to get atleast one lot (as no. of employees is much less) 10. Those who have applied multiple lots will get additional shares over confirmed one lot.
Hence, employee portion actually oversubscribed 6.62 times (no. of shares wise) once evaluated in terms of no. of applicants will form basis of allotment. BoA once released will give clear picture.
PS : Some figures above only assumed for explaining, it is obvious that all employees may not have applied full Rs 5L and some may not have applied at all.
Hope, it brings some clarity. Best Wishes to you 👍
@NeilM If employee quota is under subscription then remaining shares will be given to other categories ( retail, HNI, QIB) as per ratio. If oversubscribed (here) then proprionate allotment is made. If 6x then 6 lots will get 1 lot and in further ratios.
@Chhote Lal you are the best sir. I'm sorry, was in a meeting, couldn't reply. This is indeed the best message ever by a user on this platform. Really wish you get many many lots More power to you sir 😋
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May 9, 2024 9:01:17 AM
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No need for complicated calculations. You have applied 12 lots. Lots eligible on 6 65 times o/s is 12÷6.65=1.8 lots. So 1 lot confirmed and high possibility of 2 lots. Enjoy the profits. Profits 📈.
@Safe Bet Over-Subscription in employee quota as 6.65 quota is number of shares wise and not on number of applications. As per your non-complicated calculations, those who have applied just 1 lot will not be allotted anything, but that is not true.
@Rajatkol Sir, simple hai, issue oversubscribed hone par min lot hi milta hai lottery mein. In case of HNI, min. lot (sHNI) ka about Rs 2L hai, bHNI ki min. application about Rs 10L hai, issi liye, bHNI (10/2 =5) ke liye 5 se divide karte hain.
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May 8, 2024 4:42:06 PM
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Most of the retailers are waiting for the mandates in Indegene IPO. Now only 20 minutes left if mandates don't come by then App. Wise subscription is much lower than anticipated 🤔
Yes, going through messages over here, it appears many retail applications could not go through because of UPI mandate not received. Still, it is heavily oversubscribed. Lesson for UPI users to apply atleast a day in advance.
@Prince , retailers move to shni and shni move to bhni. Now this trend is going on thats why retail subscription are low and bhni are on higher side. I also applied first time 4 shni and 7 retails application
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May 8, 2024 6:04:42 PM
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@Chhote Lal Yes sir I have learnt from my broker that good chunks of retail apps in Indegene IPO couldn't valid bcoz of mandate didn't come in time. I have also missed my family member app due to mandate failure. Lets hope for the best🤞 @Harsh Newguru Thanks,🙏 sir, for ur good suggestion. WE must consider your point when multiple IPOs open for the subscription. Everday life and stock market teaches you new lessons.
@NRockz There should not be any issue in applying retail on first day if UPI is preferred mode. Mandate may be approved on last day. If you decide to go for any changes, retail can always be modified/cancelled any time). Better still, opt for ASBA for less hassles.
You should apply for mandate in Monday and accepted it before ipo closed. Use ur sense of applying. Me previously faced issue and then I apply first day and accepted on third
Is it possible to apply for IPO through ASBA if I have limit in overdraft?
Let's say my account balance is 50,000 but overdraft limit is 3,00,000, can I apply under SNHI? If allotted money gets withdrawn & I have to pay interest on overdraft amount & if not allotted no harm.
@Bhavnagari Gathiya@Mihir jain YOU GET OD FACILITY AGAINST FD SUPPOSE YOU HAVE 5 LAKH FD YOU WILL GET 450000 OD LIMIT THROUGH WHICH YOU CAN APPLY IPO . YOU WILL BE CHARGED INTREST ONLY IF YOU GET ALOTTMENT
Primary account holders PAN should appear on online ASBA submission, however with some banks it might be possible if physical ASBA form submitted for respective sub account holders with their individual PAN details.
Giving an example hope it helps In November 2023 Ireda IPO came I have joint account with my father in Sbi. Also having same number associated with it. So I applied from ireda from his bank account using ASBA and allotted to me
Hello experts.. IMMEDIATE HELP PLEASE 🥺 applied retail in morning through upi, but request not received, then in 2 hours I cancelled the application and reapply from same upi...
Now half an hour ago I received upi request, I approved it.... Now recieving another request on same upi, that is because I reapplied.
What should I do in this condition, I can't cancel first mandate!!! No option to do so.
1st thing if you've cancelled the 1st application you won't get mandate for that. And the 2nd time you applied it must be that mandate. In any case check the "application ID" where you applied from and then check the mandate in that "notes/description" the same "application ID" must be mentioned. Accept that mandate.
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May 8, 2024 4:17:25 PM
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@Sanwal Saab Check the application number .., I think u accepted for the cancelled one .., if u have money then accept the other one also.., ur money will bet back for the 1st one after few hours..
Always check the application number before accepting the mandate if you have cancelled and reapplied. Only accept the mandate of the current application, not the cancelled one.
@PUSHPaa Haa bhau kuch esa hi hua hai... Bcz time pe aa hi nhi rhe the request 3 ghnte wait kia... Bad me cancel krke apply kia uske bad aaya or probably purana wala hi aaya hoga jo mandate krdia jin logo se krwaya tha mene... Fir thodi der bad dusra aaya.... Is case me kya sari application reject ho jayegi ???